RE: 2022 Toyota GR86 | PH Review

RE: 2022 Toyota GR86 | PH Review

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Seano1878

82 posts

27 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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TrackNutz said:
Does anyone know how many were allocated in total?
Most sources reckon 400-450ish.

Snozzer

127 posts

140 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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I think I comprehend 'some' of what he's saying.

TrackNutz

164 posts

75 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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Seano1878 said:
Most sources reckon 400-450ish.
I thought they'd be pretty well sorted when it came to CAFE regs considering their Hybrid range, but I guess their lack of EV's in addition to the flood of performance models they must have reached their 95g/km limit and don't fancy paying any fines.

fantheman80

1,412 posts

48 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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TrackNutz said:
Seano1878 said:
Most sources reckon 400-450ish.
I thought they'd be pretty well sorted when it came to CAFE regs considering their Hybrid range, but I guess their lack of EV's in addition to the flood of performance models they must have reached their 95g/km limit and don't fancy paying any fines.
Or they have learnt from last time and made it very limited so its doesn't look like poor sales as per the GR86. This all feels very déjà vu otherwise, great press reviews, bit of hype, tiny brakes wink

Electric Blue

2,313 posts

167 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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fantheman80 said:
TrackNutz said:
Seano1878 said:
Most sources reckon 400-450ish.
I thought they'd be pretty well sorted when it came to CAFE regs considering their Hybrid range, but I guess their lack of EV's in addition to the flood of performance models they must have reached their 95g/km limit and don't fancy paying any fines.
Or they have learnt from last time and made it very limited so its doesn't look like poor sales as per the GR86. This all feels very d j vu otherwise, great press reviews, bit of hype, tiny brakes wink
+ Subaru are building it
+ We are a tiny market and only bought about 1000 GT86s p/a anyway
+ Chip shortage
+ Macro economic climate

justa1972

302 posts

136 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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Black S2K said:
justa1972 said:
Blimey that's a tough read !

I gave up on several occasions and only kept going as I really like the car...
A veritable matrimonial bouquet of verbosity in order to state very little of any consequence concerning the subject of discourse in order to fulfil the editorial text length requirement.

We can all do it, if we want.

Absolutely no mention of whether the torque dip and turbo-like throttle response have been ameliorated. It was those that made the car difficult for commuting and were of no import when trying to break it.



smilesmile

Glad I’m not the only one !

LexiconUK

64 posts

154 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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Seano1878 said:
TrackNutz said:
Does anyone know how many were allocated in total?
Most sources reckon 400-450ish.
Yeah - I've seen 430 quoted a number of times.

Marc H

207 posts

153 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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1) Yep, Cackett's writing is so painful and show-off... it's spread to most of Autocar's writers now, so I don't buy the mag anymore.
2) I had a GT86 for a year, pearl white and looked fantastic. I knew on the test-drive that the suspension was painful, I should have walked away. But I bought it (ex demo) - and not only was it bone-hard and tiring to drive because of that, but it had awful tyre noise. And everybody knows how bad the SW quadrant of M25 is, anyway.
3) So I hope that both of those have been improved for the GR...!

stuckmojo

2,955 posts

187 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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lovely car.

I struggle with the article. But I get the overall verdict.


redroadster

1,729 posts

231 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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This and hyundai 120 n are best affordable cars out there in a world which is spiralling into an economic storm I won't have my pants taken down with silly prices, seems there's plenty that will get burnt laying out loads of cash they don't have.

rotaryjam

615 posts

100 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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Marc H said:
1) Yep, Cackett's writing is so painful and show-off... it's spread to most of Autocar's writers now, so I don't buy the mag anymore.
2) I had a GT86 for a year, pearl white and looked fantastic. I knew on the test-drive that the suspension was painful, I should have walked away. But I bought it (ex demo) - and not only was it bone-hard and tiring to drive because of that, but it had awful tyre noise. And everybody knows how bad the SW quadrant of M25 is, anyway.
3) So I hope that both of those have been improved for the GR...!
It it the same guy who writes the Shed articles? I really cant stand the writing style, very off putting

Marc H

207 posts

153 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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I think that Shed is Tony Middlehurst?

NGK210

2,868 posts

144 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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Black S2K said:
justa1972 said:
Blimey that's a tough read !

I gave up on several occasions and only kept going as I really like the car...
A veritable matrimonial bouquet of verbosity in order to state very little of any consequence concerning the subject of discourse in order to fulfil the editorial text length requirement.

We can all do it, if we want.
...
Indeed, someone needs to heed the old writers' maxim: "Write it as you would speak it; but do so clearly, concisely and correctly."

Black S2K

1,462 posts

248 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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There's usually an amusing reference to Mrs Shed worked around the article in order to make a report on a grotty old smoker seem more amusing.

I'm sure I've given him a theme there.

It's definitely not this ffrench-cconstantine style - another one I'd usually swerve.

Then again, I do miss the dry, factual style of the older generation - even if interlaced with Byzantine prose per Len Setright. Often difficult; always rewarding.


CedricN

819 posts

144 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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Marc H said:
1) Yep, Cackett's writing is so painful and show-off... it's spread to most of Autocar's writers now, so I don't buy the mag anymore.
2) I had a GT86 for a year, pearl white and looked fantastic. I knew on the test-drive that the suspension was painful, I should have walked away. But I bought it (ex demo) - and not only was it bone-hard and tiring to drive because of that, but it had awful tyre noise. And everybody knows how bad the SW quadrant of M25 is, anyway.
3) So I hope that both of those have been improved for the GR...!
The 2017 damper upgrade was a massive improvement. I recently swapped some 2019 dampers on my 2013 86 and it removed a lot of the harshness, so much better for daily use. Apart from that and the stiff when cold gear box the 86 one of the absolutely best fun road cars that are usable i ever come across. Ive driven porsches, fast hot hatches etc, but this really is so great.

The 1gen was one of the best selling sports cars of its era, sadly the 2nd gen will likely sell a small fraction of that. With the shortages ongoing they will need to prioritise more high margin products than a cheap sports car.

TheMilkyBarKid

533 posts

28 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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Black S2K said:
There's usually an amusing reference to Mrs Shed worked around the article in order to make a report on a grotty old smoker seem more amusing.

I'm sure I've given him a theme there.

It's definitely not this ffrench-cconstantine style - another one I'd usually swerve.

Then again, I do miss the dry, factual style of the older generation - even if interlaced with Byzantine prose per Len Setright. Often difficult; always rewarding.
Agreed. And LJKS could often be hilarious to offset the work required to get through his columns. This is just hard work without the reward!

Example: Article says “…but the joy of driving it (MX 5) is mostly nestled in its imperturbable, knowingly carefree attitude at moderate speeds. The new GR can do this, too - on smooth Spanish roads it floats along with note-perfect elan…”

= the MX 5 can be enjoyed at sensible speeds on the road, and the GR Is equally good at involving the driver even when not pressing on too”.

I know Nic gets some stick on here, and we do have to bear in mind of course that PH content is free but this one really was a slog!


Edited by TheMilkyBarKid on Thursday 26th May 18:24

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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Love the look of this just but cant help feeling, they should add a turbo and get an extra 100 ftlb and an extra 100hp and this thing would be EPIC smile

now sit back and watch the NA boys flip out smile

Mr-B

3,768 posts

193 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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TrackNutz said:
I thought they'd be pretty well sorted when it came to CAFE regs considering their Hybrid range, but I guess their lack of EV's in addition to the flood of performance models they must have reached their 95g/km limit and don't fancy paying any fines.
Nothing to do with emissions, it's to do with incoming EU crash regs which would mean an expensive redesign of the front end which they can't be arsed to spend the money on unsurprisingly.

DanielSan

18,748 posts

166 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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For those who have missed out on the new car, give an old model a try that's had a few small tweaks, especially a different exhaust manifold, up pipe and remap. You won't have the headline power figure of the new car still but the removal of the torque dip makes a hugely improved car to drive. Definitely 1200 quid well spent on a second hand one.

Add in the MTEC shifter springs and Perrin shifter bush for an extra hundred quid and you get a much nicer gearshift than the slightly notchy standard shift.

I've had my BRZ for just coming upto a year and a half, as much as I'd like the new car, and i really want one badly, I'm not sure I could've justified one even if I could get one with doing the above mods and a few more extra. Plus I get the bonus of it being a rarer beast than the GT86.

Here's an obligatory picture for the sake of it


Stunters

575 posts

193 months

Thursday 26th May 2022
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I don't have space for any more cars, but this GR86 is something that I think I would really like to own.
Well done to all those with one on order, I hope you really enjoy them and the car lives up to the hype.