RE: McMurty Automotive targets Goodwood hill record
Discussion
jsf said:
It's unlikely it would meet regular race series rules because of the fan being movable aero, which is banned.
Not just that, but it would be a deeply unpleasant experience driving behind it, being pelted by whatever dirt and debris was on the track. Maybe even dangerous if there was carbon fibre debris from a collision. I can't see fan cars ever being allowed in circuit racing, but I can see them being allowed in hillclimbs and other against-the-clock events, where that is less of an issue.
DelicaL400 said:
For those old enough to remember Knight Rider the record breaking run reminded me of KITT in pursuit mode when they speeded the footage up to make it look like KITT was doing 300mph!
LOL. You're not wrong there. Or Street Hawk (which is where Knight Rider nicked the idea from).
jsf said:
The problem with a car like this is where do you use it? It's too fast for track days, even for Audi diesel drivers.
It makes Formula E look like something from the ark and pretty pathetic by comparison.
It's unlikely it would meet regular race series rules because of the fan being movable aero, which is banned.
They're based in Gloucestershire, they need to get down the road to Dyson and get one of their bladeless fans!It makes Formula E look like something from the ark and pretty pathetic by comparison.
It's unlikely it would meet regular race series rules because of the fan being movable aero, which is banned.
frisbee said:
jsf said:
The problem with a car like this is where do you use it? It's too fast for track days, even for Audi diesel drivers.
It makes Formula E look like something from the ark and pretty pathetic by comparison.
It's unlikely it would meet regular race series rules because of the fan being movable aero, which is banned.
They're based in Gloucestershire, they need to get down the road to Dyson and get one of their bladeless fans!It makes Formula E look like something from the ark and pretty pathetic by comparison.
It's unlikely it would meet regular race series rules because of the fan being movable aero, which is banned.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
I was talking figuratively not literally. I am sure that some people care.
My point was that to many only the absolute record matters.
That is what Alex Summers said on Saturday. My point was that to many only the absolute record matters.
His time, whilst done on a Saturday and therefore not counting towards an official hill record, would still be the quickest time ever up Goodwood (unless Max beat it on Sunday)
So there was real pressure on Max today.
Totally and utterly bonkers and what a great thing to have on your CV as a start up company. Clearly, its completely impractical for the road or for any race series but it puts down a serious marker for what that company can do. I'm very pleased for them and I hope it leads onto bigger projects. I wonder if they will let Harris have a play with it on Top Gear?
The interesting thing is will it now lead to a spate of cars being specially built to run up the hill? I can see a number of race teams and the small high end, limited production car companies thinking that might be a very good way to get some excellent publicity. Trouble is it might end up like when the teams were building soap boxes to come down the hill....
I'm sure I saw a Gordon Murray design for a 'driver prone' F1 car a few years ago.... Time to dust that off?
The interesting thing is will it now lead to a spate of cars being specially built to run up the hill? I can see a number of race teams and the small high end, limited production car companies thinking that might be a very good way to get some excellent publicity. Trouble is it might end up like when the teams were building soap boxes to come down the hill....
I'm sure I saw a Gordon Murray design for a 'driver prone' F1 car a few years ago.... Time to dust that off?
samoht said:
Looks like it was recorded at 25 fps and played back at 50 !
Also looks like Max left a good six inches to the wall near the top, quite correctly given the consequences all-around of a mishap, but seems that's not even the absolute limit.
(Max did do a brilliant job. Balls of steel.)
julian64 said:
The car isn't for sale but they are making a public event so they are inviting publicity.
I'm a cynic, so secondly there is a very big difference between the software putting out the numbers and the car actually managing to produce them. For a very long time F1 has said their cars could do it but to my knowledge there are no videos.
I think the amount of publicity an F1 teams would get if they managed it would be well worth their attempt to achieve it. But no-one does. There might be many reason for that but as a cynic I keep coming back to the most obvious one.
It's because the cost and effort in doing it is not trivial and in a non fan car it's stupid dangerous. I'm a cynic, so secondly there is a very big difference between the software putting out the numbers and the car actually managing to produce them. For a very long time F1 has said their cars could do it but to my knowledge there are no videos.
I think the amount of publicity an F1 teams would get if they managed it would be well worth their attempt to achieve it. But no-one does. There might be many reason for that but as a cynic I keep coming back to the most obvious one.
With an F1 car you'd need a tunnel long enough to run at 150mph+, with a race track smooth ceiling and a carefully designed and built transition from the ground to the roof. Then you have to do all your development work to check your engine runs ok upside down. Then you're balancing the novelty good publicity against the possibility of "this team killed their driver f
king about trying to drive on the ceiling". I'm not surprised nobody has done it.In principle at least it's much easier with an electric fan car as you can do it at walking pace and it'll definitely run wrong way up with no problems.
The Hypno-Toad said:
Totally and utterly bonkers and what a great thing to have on your CV as a start up company. Clearly, its completely impractical for the road or for any race series but it puts down a serious marker for what that company can do. I'm very pleased for them and I hope it leads onto bigger projects. I wonder if they will let Harris have a play with it on Top Gear?
The interesting thing is will it now lead to a spate of cars being specially built to run up the hill? I can see a number of race teams and the small high end, limited production car companies thinking that might be a very good way to get some excellent publicity. Trouble is it might end up like when the teams were building soap boxes to come down the hill....
I'm sure I saw a Gordon Murray design for a 'driver prone' F1 car a few years ago.... Time to dust that off?
There's been a few things build specially to run up the hill. Maserati 'borrowed' a MC12 to provide the running gear for the Birdcage concept as it was only allowed if it did the hill climb.The interesting thing is will it now lead to a spate of cars being specially built to run up the hill? I can see a number of race teams and the small high end, limited production car companies thinking that might be a very good way to get some excellent publicity. Trouble is it might end up like when the teams were building soap boxes to come down the hill....
I'm sure I saw a Gordon Murray design for a 'driver prone' F1 car a few years ago.... Time to dust that off?
The Laws stuck XJ220 running gear into a Transit.
Whether we'll see a spate of 'record attempt' cars is difficult to say - it's all down to whether Lord March (the Duke of Richmond, Lennox and Gordon
) wants it to be there... I don't think for a second Goodwood will allow an arms race to go for the record. The course just isn't built for it and they are very, very picky about what they allow to run in the shootout.
The occasional effort with the appropriate driver, fair enough, but having 5 or 6 cars capable of sub-40-second runs on the same weekend starts to play in to the law of averages of a big accident happening sooner rather than later. Whilst the McMurtry was comically fast, it also looked surprisingly well within its limits (a low 38 looked more than possible) and it 'only' had a time to beat, not other cars on the same day pushing them further and further into uncomfortable territory.
Most hill climb venues have large banks with (few) spectators stood on top of them, Goodwood has 3 foot of grass and two bales of hay and literally thousands and thousands of people stood behind them.
The occasional effort with the appropriate driver, fair enough, but having 5 or 6 cars capable of sub-40-second runs on the same weekend starts to play in to the law of averages of a big accident happening sooner rather than later. Whilst the McMurtry was comically fast, it also looked surprisingly well within its limits (a low 38 looked more than possible) and it 'only' had a time to beat, not other cars on the same day pushing them further and further into uncomfortable territory.
Most hill climb venues have large banks with (few) spectators stood on top of them, Goodwood has 3 foot of grass and two bales of hay and literally thousands and thousands of people stood behind them.
Lordbenny said:
I wonder how it would fair up Pikes Peak?
Well, the VW ID R has a 45 kWh battery and weighs about 1100 kg, and holds the Pikes Peak record at just under eight minutes.The Speirling has a 60 kWh battery and claims a weight of no more than 1000kg, so on that basis it looks like a very viable contender to the crown.
Emptying a 60 kWh battery in eight minutes would equate to 600hp continuous, plus maybe another 10-20% from regen, so it could probably either go flat out the whole way, or pretty close to it.
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