RE: Lotus Eletre makes global public debut
Discussion
As much as I love lotus i just can't get on board with the Eletra. After seeing it at Goodwood its just too big for the UK. At 5.1M long and 2.2M wide its 30cm longer than a parking space and only leaves 10cm either side to open doors. Its 40cm longer and 30cm wider than an original cayenne. Its even bigger than a transit van!
This oversizing has to stop, there is no sane reason for it. The Eletre is a full half a metre wider and 70cm longer than a subaru forester, a full size suv and family car.
Its almost comical to view the Eletra from the side its so long. Im not looking forward to even more congestion caused by school run parents unable to park and manoeuvre their behemoths.
If cars continue to grow this will ultimately see car parking spaces grow (this is already happening in planning) and not just spaces but aisle widths. This leaves less room for green spaces and planting and of course less parking.
In my opionion we need to legislate and if need be tax oversized and overweight cars like they do in France.
This oversizing has to stop, there is no sane reason for it. The Eletre is a full half a metre wider and 70cm longer than a subaru forester, a full size suv and family car.
Its almost comical to view the Eletra from the side its so long. Im not looking forward to even more congestion caused by school run parents unable to park and manoeuvre their behemoths.
If cars continue to grow this will ultimately see car parking spaces grow (this is already happening in planning) and not just spaces but aisle widths. This leaves less room for green spaces and planting and of course less parking.
In my opionion we need to legislate and if need be tax oversized and overweight cars like they do in France.
Edited by Bispal on Saturday 25th June 08:41
Vee12V said:
bluemason said:
Vee12V said:
I'd be embarrassed to show the Evija by now. Is it even real?
It is very real and it looks stunning. A real head turner. Bispal said:
As much as I love lotus i just can't get on board with the Eletra. After seeing it at Goodwood its just too big for the UK. At 5.1M long and 2.2M wide its 30cm longer than a parking space and only leaves 10cm either side to open doors. Its 40cm longer and 30cm wider than an original cayenne. Its even bigger than a transit van!
This oversizing has to stop, there is no sane reason for it. The Eletre is a full half a metre wider and 70cm longer than a subaru forester, a full size suv and family car.
Its almost comical to view the Eletra from the side its so long. Im not looking forward to even more congestion caused by school run parents unable to park and manoeuvre their behemoths.
If cars continue to grow this will ultimately see car parking spaces grow (this is already happening in planning) and not just spaces but aisle widths. This leaves less room for green spaces and planting and of course less parking.
In my opionion we need to legislate and if need be tax oversized and overweight cars like they do in France.
I can nearly guarantee you that the size and shape has to do with the battery. It’s much easier to create compact ICE vehicles (your other examples) given that range and power are not dictated by the size of the fuel tank. This oversizing has to stop, there is no sane reason for it. The Eletre is a full half a metre wider and 70cm longer than a subaru forester, a full size suv and family car.
Its almost comical to view the Eletra from the side its so long. Im not looking forward to even more congestion caused by school run parents unable to park and manoeuvre their behemoths.
If cars continue to grow this will ultimately see car parking spaces grow (this is already happening in planning) and not just spaces but aisle widths. This leaves less room for green spaces and planting and of course less parking.
In my opionion we need to legislate and if need be tax oversized and overweight cars like they do in France.
Edited by Bispal on Saturday 25th June 08:41
Given that this is the future I’m pretty sure you will get to look forward to a lot more of it. I think the fans of EVs call it the packaging benefits of EVs, lol.
Sulphur Man said:
Goodwood FOS has become the British Motor Show hasn’t it.
I know there’s still an official Motor Show held out near Farnborough airport but no one really speaks of it and nothing gets debuted there.
FOS has grown into our take of the Geneva motor show
I was thinking the same yesterday. Not a bad thing though imo? It’s a great event. I know there’s still an official Motor Show held out near Farnborough airport but no one really speaks of it and nothing gets debuted there.
FOS has grown into our take of the Geneva motor show
Was pleased to see almost everyone ignoring this thing while I was on the Lotus stand though.
Just the 100k for your Made in Wuhan “Lotus” SUV. Incredible that anyone in the UK considers actually buying this imho.
Bispal said:
As much as I love lotus i just can't get on board with the Eletra. After seeing it at Goodwood its just too big for the UK. At 5.1M long and 2.2M wide its 30cm longer than a parking space and only leaves 10cm either side to open doors. Its 40cm longer and 30cm wider than an original cayenne. Its even bigger than a transit van!
This oversizing has to stop, there is no sane reason for it. The Eletre is a full half a metre wider and 70cm longer than a subaru forester, a full size suv and family car.
Its almost comical to view the Eletra from the side its so long. Im not looking forward to even more congestion caused by school run parents unable to park and manoeuvre their behemoths.
If cars continue to grow this will ultimately see car parking spaces grow (this is already happening in planning) and not just spaces but aisle widths. This leaves less room for green spaces and planting and of course less parking.
In my opionion we need to legislate and if need be tax oversized and overweight cars like they do in France.
I completely agree. Enjoyed FoS with a petrolhead friend and saw lots of cool cars (the Polestar pair were so stylish) but at almost every car we said 'but just look at the size of it'.This oversizing has to stop, there is no sane reason for it. The Eletre is a full half a metre wider and 70cm longer than a subaru forester, a full size suv and family car.
Its almost comical to view the Eletra from the side its so long. Im not looking forward to even more congestion caused by school run parents unable to park and manoeuvre their behemoths.
If cars continue to grow this will ultimately see car parking spaces grow (this is already happening in planning) and not just spaces but aisle widths. This leaves less room for green spaces and planting and of course less parking.
In my opionion we need to legislate and if need be tax oversized and overweight cars like they do in France.
Edited by Bispal on Saturday 25th June 08:41
It all felt ridiculous - everything was just enormous
Bernt Tuakrisp said:
braddo said:
Nimbus looks grey but this looks silver
Undercoat grey might be popular but not a great colour to show off a new sports car on a bright yellow show stand.
Its Nimbus Grey, one of the First Edition launch colours, its basically like a German Racing Silver, it looks absolutely stunning on the stand with the upper black pack roof and yellow calipers. Shadow Grey is the other option which is much darker and isnt present on the stand or at Goodwood. There are yellow (Hethel), Blue (Seneca) and Red (Magma) cars running up the hill, which are the same cars that the journos have been testing and are pre-production modelsUndercoat grey might be popular but not a great colour to show off a new sports car on a bright yellow show stand.
Bispal said:
As much as I love lotus i just can't get on board with the Eletra. After seeing it at Goodwood its just too big for the UK. At 5.1M long and 2.2M wide its 30cm longer than a parking space and only leaves 10cm either side to open doors. Its 40cm longer and 30cm wider than an original cayenne. Its even bigger than a transit van!
This oversizing has to stop, there is no sane reason for it. The Eletre is a full half a metre wider and 70cm longer than a subaru forester, a full size suv and family car.
Its almost comical to view the Eletra from the side its so long. Im not looking forward to even more congestion caused by school run parents unable to park and manoeuvre their behemoths.
If cars continue to grow this will ultimately see car parking spaces grow (this is already happening in planning) and not just spaces but aisle widths. This leaves less room for green spaces and planting and of course less parking.
In my opionion we need to legislate and if need be tax oversized and overweight cars like they do in France.
Most of the markets for the Eletre are not rural Britain, elsewhere its size won't matter one jot.This oversizing has to stop, there is no sane reason for it. The Eletre is a full half a metre wider and 70cm longer than a subaru forester, a full size suv and family car.
Its almost comical to view the Eletra from the side its so long. Im not looking forward to even more congestion caused by school run parents unable to park and manoeuvre their behemoths.
If cars continue to grow this will ultimately see car parking spaces grow (this is already happening in planning) and not just spaces but aisle widths. This leaves less room for green spaces and planting and of course less parking.
In my opionion we need to legislate and if need be tax oversized and overweight cars like they do in France.
Edited by Bispal on Saturday 25th June 08:41
ate one too said:
Most of the markets for the Eletre are not rural Britain, elsewhere its size won't matter one jot.
It does though because the worldwide population is increasing. If people continue to buy larger cars there will be more congestion, more parking issues and less space all round for landscape and other development due to increased roads and car parks.Kei cars were very influential in Japan until 2014 when the Gov scrapped the tax benefits. They reduced parking stress considerably. We need incentives to get people out of these LARGE cars and back into small cars.
A lot of the housing stock in the UK is interwar. You only need to look at the garage size in a 1930's semi to know how much cars have grown.
While at Goodwood there was a real buzz around the smaller cars, especially the E-go & Citroen Ami. The sales people were working non stop with questions and queries and the E-go sold out on Thursday. There were very few people around the Eletre on the electric stand. People want small cars but car companies keep going down this dead end of providing over large cars believing its what people want. Many don't.
We need a revolution in car design. The likes of Alec Issigonis were genius and we need more visionaries like him if the world and motoring is to survive.
I for one really wish Lotus had made a version of the GR Yaris instead of this huge pile of turd. A light and frugal, small hot hatch. Perfect.
Edited by Bispal on Saturday 25th June 15:50
A hatchback? They wouldn't have sold many units, or had much of a profit margin, and would likely have seen Lotus go under.
As pointed out above, the UK and all of it's size challenges are not the primary market for this car in the same way the F150 isn't designed for the UK either. We are a tiny marketplace in the grand scheme of things and it's arrogant to think otherwise.
Taking your example, BMW gave us the i3. A small, cleverly packaged EV city car made of lightweight components. They've just stopped building them as sales had dried up..
As pointed out above, the UK and all of it's size challenges are not the primary market for this car in the same way the F150 isn't designed for the UK either. We are a tiny marketplace in the grand scheme of things and it's arrogant to think otherwise.
Taking your example, BMW gave us the i3. A small, cleverly packaged EV city car made of lightweight components. They've just stopped building them as sales had dried up..
Edited by SWoll on Saturday 25th June 16:03
I'd say it will sell very well in the UK also. Is there a shortage of Range Rovers (as an example)? Even though I would pick a Range Rover over an Eletre I think.
I have in fairness not seen it (couldn't get tickets to Goodwood etc) but looks appealing in photos. It's probably too long, though.
I have in fairness not seen it (couldn't get tickets to Goodwood etc) but looks appealing in photos. It's probably too long, though.
SWoll said:
A hatchback? They wouldn't have sold many units, or had much of a profit margin, and would likely have seen Lotus go under.
As pointed out above, the UK and all of it's size challenges are not the primary market for this car in the same way the F150 isn't designed for the UK either. We are a tiny marketplace in the grand scheme of things and it's arrogant to think otherwise.
Taking your example, BMW gave us the i3. A small, cleverly packaged EV city car made of lightweight components. They've just stopped building them as sales had dried up..
I think the GR Yaris has shown there is a BIG market for hot hatches, it sold out many times over. The Golf R, A45, S3, all are good sellers. I was not talking just about the UK in my second post I referenced world wide issues. The i3 never sold well because it was pug ugly. As pointed out above, the UK and all of it's size challenges are not the primary market for this car in the same way the F150 isn't designed for the UK either. We are a tiny marketplace in the grand scheme of things and it's arrogant to think otherwise.
Taking your example, BMW gave us the i3. A small, cleverly packaged EV city car made of lightweight components. They've just stopped building them as sales had dried up..
Edited by SWoll on Saturday 25th June 16:03
Yes but you can't make those cars as EVs. It has nothing to do with market preference, it just can't be done. Otherwise it would have been done obviously and they would sell well. With ICE you can make compact fast cars with long range, with EVs you cannot. It's either small slow and short range or big fast and long range. If you want to sell something for a decent chunk of cash then it's the latter.
Bispal said:
ate one too said:
Most of the markets for the Eletre are not rural Britain, elsewhere its size won't matter one jot.
It does though because the worldwide population is increasing. If people continue to buy larger cars there will be more congestion, more parking issues and less space all round for landscape and other development due to increased roads and car parks.Kei cars were very influential in Japan until 2014 when the Gov scrapped the tax benefits. They reduced parking stress considerably. We need incentives to get people out of these LARGE cars and back into small cars.
A lot of the housing stock in the UK is interwar. You only need to look at the garage size in a 1930's semi to know how much cars have grown.
While at Goodwood there was a real buzz around the smaller cars, especially the E-go & Citroen Ami. The sales people were working non stop with questions and queries and the E-go sold out on Thursday. There were very few people around the Eletre on the electric stand. People want small cars but car companies keep going down this dead end of providing over large cars believing its what people want. Many don't.
We need a revolution in car design. The likes of Alec Issigonis were genius and we need more visionaries like him if the world and motoring is to survive.
I for one really wish Lotus had made a version of the GR Yaris instead of this huge pile of turd. A light and frugal, small hot hatch. Perfect.
Edited by Bispal on Saturday 25th June 15:50
Bispal said:
ate one too said:
Most of the markets for the Eletre are not rural Britain, elsewhere its size won't matter one jot.
It does though because the worldwide population is increasing. If people continue to buy larger cars there will be more congestion, more parking issues and less space all round for landscape and other development due to increased roads and car parks.Kei cars were very influential in Japan until 2014 when the Gov scrapped the tax benefits. They reduced parking stress considerably. We need incentives to get people out of these LARGE cars and back into small cars.
A lot of the housing stock in the UK is interwar. You only need to look at the garage size in a 1930's semi to know how much cars have grown.
While at Goodwood there was a real buzz around the smaller cars, especially the E-go & Citroen Ami. The sales people were working non stop with questions and queries and the E-go sold out on Thursday. There were very few people around the Eletre on the electric stand. People want small cars but car companies keep going down this dead end of providing over large cars believing its what people want. Many don't.
We need a revolution in car design. The likes of Alec Issigonis were genius and we need more visionaries like him if the world and motoring is to survive.
I for one really wish Lotus had made a version of the GR Yaris instead of this huge pile of turd. A light and frugal, small hot hatch. Perfect.
Edited by Bispal on Saturday 25th June 15:50
And on the subject of population increase, whilst it's true that the world's population is expanding, you conveniently overlook the facts regarding where expansion is taking place; every single Western country is in population decline and is not replacing their populations quickly enough. These are, ironically, the very markets that cars like this are going to be pitched.
PistonTim said:
Before all the knuckledraggers appear think of this as the Lotus equivalent to the Cayenne - the car which pretty much saved Porsche remember?
No. The Boxster saved Porsche.https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a10371527...
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