RE: VW previews flagship EV saloon with new ID.Aero

[Arsecati]

howardhughes said:

Piston Heads. I'd like to make an observation. It seems somewhat hypocritical to advertise/feature EV cars on your website when we all know EV cars do not have any 'Pistons' So It might be wise to create another website and call it, say, EVHeads.

This way all those with appliances can happily talk about charging times and leave the rest of the brigade to talk about 'Real' cars on here.

Just a thought.

How do you think disc brakes work mate? EV's are full of pistons..... keep up.

[bitofayank]

Arsecati said:

How do you think disc brakes work mate? EV's are full of pistons..... keep up.

Thumbs up. I mean yes this will not set the emotions alight when you switch it on, but haters gotta hate

[gangzoom]

Deerfoot said:

Interesting stuff, the Tesla network must have cost a fortune to establish, wasn’t use of superchargers free on some Teslas?

How much does it cost for non Teslas?

For some of us Tesla chargers are 'free' for as long as we own the cars. We are in the middle of moving electricity suppliers so have 'lost' cheap overnight electricity for the last month, but 'local' Tesla Supercharger in a 10 minute drive away, so been charging there once a week whilst doing some mid week food shopping.



Not sure how much non Teslas cost, but even for Teslas it's now nearly 50p/kWh, so far from cheap. Gridserve and others are cheaper now in some situations, I would always go for the cheapest fuel over any specific brand, so for me anyways its going to be Tesla chargers for a long time to come yet!

Edited by gangzoom on Tuesday 28th June 07:17

[Numeric]

Itsallicanafford said:

SDK said:

Deerfoot said:

I had no idea that was on the cards to be honest..

Yep
About 6 weeks ago Tesla started opening the UK Tesla Supercharging network to non-Tesla cars.

Here’s me charging up my Polestar 2 at the Tesla dealer in Birmingham

The superchargers are a great network. Can I ask, presumably the polestar does not recognise it was about to be supercharged and thus would not perform a battery pre-heat on the way to the charger as it would with a Tesla. Did you ask If there are any issues with using the Superchargers without a preheat?

I confess to a degree of surprise. I was at a services on the M4 the other day and there were all these happy Tesla getting a fill and it's quite an impressive sight, but it was a very average day and the perhaps 8-10 stations only had one empty space. Throw in a couple of Nissan Leaf and your Tesla driver could be left sitting and waiting, I have a feeling for some the charging network would be one of the big 'wins' when making a purchasing decision.

I was always immensely impressed at the investment in the charging network, more so than the cars. Cars could be replicated but the failure to get a proper handle on charging by the other auto makers had seemed to me to give Tesla an immense advantage that is now seemingly disappearing.

[Dombilano]

Well, at least it's got real wing mirrors

[Howard1650]

Numeric said:

Itsallicanafford said:

SDK said:

Deerfoot said:

I had no idea that was on the cards to be honest..

Yep
About 6 weeks ago Tesla started opening the UK Tesla Supercharging network to non-Tesla cars.

Here’s me charging up my Polestar 2 at the Tesla dealer in Birmingham

The superchargers are a great network. Can I ask, presumably the polestar does not recognise it was about to be supercharged and thus would not perform a battery pre-heat on the way to the charger as it would with a Tesla. Did you ask If there are any issues with using the Superchargers without a preheat?

I confess to a degree of surprise. I was at a services on the M4 the other day and there were all these happy Tesla getting a fill and it's quite an impressive sight, but it was a very average day and the perhaps 8-10 stations only had one empty space. Throw in a couple of Nissan Leaf and your Tesla driver could be left sitting and waiting, I have a feeling for some the charging network would be one of the big 'wins' when making a purchasing decision.

I was always immensely impressed at the investment in the charging network, more so than the cars. Cars could be replicated but the failure to get a proper handle on charging by the other auto makers had seemed to me to give Tesla an immense advantage that is now seemingly disappearing.

Tesla has confirmed that, certain Supercharger network locations will be available for non-Tesla electric vehicles, as part of an expansion of a Europe-wide pilot scheme to allow vehicles from other brands to charge using the network. Launched in November last year in the Netherlands, the expansion of the pilot scheme means selected stations in Spain, Belgium, Sweden, and Austria join 15 UK Supercharger stations being opened to electric cars of all brands, compatible with the Supercharger Type 2 CCS connector.

The UK’s 15 stations contain 158 individual charging points capable of delivering power at over 150kW. It represents around 20 per cent of the UK’s Supercharger network, totalling 87 locations and 780 individual Supercharger connectors as of December 2021.

Locations include Superchargers at Folkestone, Grays (East London/Thurrock), Uxbridge, Birmingham, Cardiff, Wokingham (near Reading), Thetford, Trumpington (near Cambridge), Banbury, Manchester, Flint Mountain (near Chester), Adderstone, Dundee, Aviemore and Aberystwyth.

Non-Tesla owners who want to access the ‘open’ Supercharger stations can use the Tesla app. The pilot offers up a membership scheme for non-Tesla owners for £10.99 a month, which offers access to lower charging prices per kWh. Drivers can also charge without a subscription but at a costlier rate per kWh. Tesla says rates will vary by site, but will cost around £0.60p per kWh.

[andy43]

gangzoom said:

For some of us Tesla chargers are 'free' for as long as we own the cars. We are in the middle of moving electricity suppliers so have 'lost' cheap overnight electricity for the last month, but 'local' Tesla Supercharger in a 10 minute drive away, so been charging there once a week whilst doing some mid week food shopping.

Not sure how much non Teslas cost, but even for Teslas it's now nearly 50p/kWh, so far from cheap. Gridserve and others are cheaper now in some situations, I would always go for the cheapest fuel over any specific brand, so for me anyways its going to be Tesla chargers for a long time to come yet!

Edited by gangzoom on Tuesday 28th June 07:17

Given the current EV and power prices you’re quids in with free supercharging.
Free motoring has never been cheaper!

[plfrench]

McAndy said:

Make that 350 and 300. 280 mile cars now get the real world ranges you’ve quoted.

You'd have to drive like a saint to get an average of 4.5 mi/kWh from a car this size, surely?! I was being realistic in terms of a typical PH'er hoofing it a fair bit

Edited by plfrench on Tuesday 28th June 08:28

[alex_2015]

howardhughes said:

Piston Heads. I'd like to make an observation. It seems somewhat hypocritical to advertise/feature EV cars on your website when we all know EV cars do not have any 'Pistons' So It might be wise to create another website and call it, say, EVHeads.

This way all those with appliances can happily talk about charging times and leave the rest of the brigade to talk about 'Real' cars on here.

Just a thought.

I was thinking rather about a name like "TransistorHeads"

Fellas, this is serious business. We need to get back to school manuals (electricity, semiconductors, transistors,...) to understand anything of these electric cars.

[alex_2015]

flatsix.ant said:

Why does no brand make an electric car that looks like an actual saloon, and not a hatchback?

Am I missing something?

Most EVs look so swollen as they have to accommodate batteries underneath to avoid affecting storage, interior space. So everything inside shifts up swelling the car.
Few expensive cars come with more complex designs and maybe less storage space, therefore look more traditional in proportions.

[ashenfie]

alex_2015 said:

flatsix.ant said:

Why does no brand make an electric car that looks like an actual saloon, and not a hatchback?

Am I missing something?

Most EVs look so swollen as they have to accommodate batteries underneath to avoid affecting storage, interior space. So everything inside shifts up swelling the car.
Few expensive cars come with more complex designs and maybe less storage space, therefore look more traditional in proportions.

The Saloon format is considered super tired and sales dropping year-on-year in the UK. It is a real question why Tesla decided on the Model 3 for any other reason than to compete with BMW 3 series . I am sure that an X1 would have made more Commercial sense with the markets outside the US.

[MDMA .]

Looks a bit like a Citroen C6.

[Superflow]

MDMA . said:

Looks a bit like a Citroen C6.

Without the finesse.

[Pughmacher]

Massive wheels, super high hip line help to hide the fact the vehicle has to be taller vertically to fit battery and interior occupants without squishing them. SUV body shape hides it better than a traditional saloon or hatch. Personally I’d rather a polestar. But then again Porsche/Audi took a different route and just made the car long and wide to disguise its massive proportions. It’ll get better. As batteries improve the cars can be made smaller and more of what we’d be used to. It’d save on material cost if the car didn’t have to be so big. Here’s hoping.

[SDK]

Deerfoot said:

Interesting stuff, the Tesla network must have cost a fortune to establish, wasn’t use of superchargers free on some Teslas?

How much does it cost for non Teslas?

Charging a non-Tesla at an SC costs 60p kWh, or you can pay £11 a month to get this lower.

Itsallicanafford said:

The superchargers are a great network. Can I ask, presumably the polestar does not recognise it was about to be supercharged and thus would not perform a battery pre-heat on the way to the charger as it would with a Tesla. Did you ask If there are any issues with using the Superchargers without a preheat?

Pre-heating the battery just enables faster charging.
The Polestar 2 is limited to 150 kW charging speed so not maxing out the Tesla SC unit. Also, the P2 does pre-heat the battery if the charger is selected in the Sat Nav as the destination.

Edited by SDK on Tuesday 28th June 11:17

[Deerfoot]

Many thanks to all regarding the use of Tesla superchargers with non Tesla cars, it’s an interesting development.

[SgHawk]

plfrench said:

Porkupine said:

Agree, need to see the interior.

It looks good on exterior in my eyes. Possibly a nice everyday EV. What would the range be on this I wonder?

It says 385 miles in the article above, so you'd expect a solid 250miles in day to day use without trying too hard, 200miles in winter should be on the cards.

Most new EVs on sale get fairly close to their claimed range with combined driving these days. We're passed the days where you halve the quoted range and take a bit more off if it's cold. You'd likely see 90% of that claimed 385 miles.

The exception would be the stelantis group (Peugeot, vauxhall etc.) brand vehicles which are apparently a little on the optimistic side.

[Airbrushman]

Now SAAB are no more VW have nicked the 'Aero' name.

Pity the car is not better looking, not up to their usual standards.

[ajap1979]

Airbrushman said:

Now SAAB are no more VW have nicked the 'Aero' name.

What about Morgan?

[ajap1979]

Watched this on the Autogefühl channel. I think it's very nice actually, love some of the detailing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URm_Yppb0Ns