cyclists at night

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ScotHill

1,963 posts

89 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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KaraK said:
So this route, passing by the throbbing metropolis of Yealand Conyers, with a National Nature Reserve on one side and the M6 taking any medium-to-long distance traffic on the other, at the 'got to get home for my international Zoom calls' rush hour time of 7pm:



I mean, just look at how many motorised vehicles there are, it's a wonder this chap made it out alive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SSTUKAhsU8#t=57s

saaby93

31,582 posts

158 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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ScotHill said:
KaraK said:
So this route, passing by the throbbing metropolis of Yealand Conyers, with a National Nature Reserve on one side and the M6 taking any medium-to-long distance traffic on the other, at the 'got to get home for my international Zoom calls' rush hour time of 7pm:



I mean, just look at how many motorised vehicles there are, it's a wonder this chap made it out alive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SSTUKAhsU8#t=57s
Are bikes the only ones that do time trials on public roads?
Joggers?

911hope

115 posts

6 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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gazza285 said:
Nobody would run a time trial during rush hour, no licensing body would insure it, and you have no guarantee that competitors would make it to the start.
Not true....

I have seen a time trial on the A14 near Cambridge at 6pm on a weekday. This is a dual carriageway with no shoulder.
and one of the busiest in the country, with the a huge quantity of lorries which restrict visibility in a major way.




smn159

9,574 posts

197 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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saaby93 said:
Are bikes the only ones that do time trials on public roads?
Joggers?
Firstly they haven't been called joggers since the 1980's and secondly a cursory glance at Google will confirm that road races for runners take place pretty much every week

saaby93

31,582 posts

158 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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smn159 said:
saaby93 said:
Are bikes the only ones that do time trials on public roads?
Joggers?
Firstly they haven't been called joggers since the 1980's and secondly a cursory glance at Google will confirm that road races for runners take place pretty much every week
random google
https://www.verywellfit.com/difference-between-run...

J4CKO

37,001 posts

180 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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saaby93 said:
smn159 said:
saaby93 said:
Are bikes the only ones that do time trials on public roads?
Joggers?
Firstly they haven't been called joggers since the 1980's and secondly a cursory glance at Google will confirm that road races for runners take place pretty much every week
random google
https://www.verywellfit.com/difference-between-run...
Do you personally do any exercise type activity ?

ScotHill

1,963 posts

89 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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J4CKO said:
saaby93 said:
smn159 said:
saaby93 said:
Are bikes the only ones that do time trials on public roads?
Joggers?
Firstly they haven't been called joggers since the 1980's and secondly a cursory glance at Google will confirm that road races for runners take place pretty much every week
random google
https://www.verywellfit.com/difference-between-run...
Do you personally do any exercise type activity ?
I'm not convinced he has much contact with the outside world.

saaby93

31,582 posts

158 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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ScotHill said:
J4CKO said:
saaby93 said:
smn159 said:
saaby93 said:
Are bikes the only ones that do time trials on public roads?
Joggers?
Firstly they haven't been called joggers since the 1980's and secondly a cursory glance at Google will confirm that road races for runners take place pretty much every week
random google
https://www.verywellfit.com/difference-between-run...
Do you personally do any exercise type activity ?
I'm not convinced he has much contact with the outside world.
ok google must be wrong according to some PHers who like to have an argument
Would that be a good summary spin

Any motor vehicle time trials on public roads?


Gweeds

2,488 posts

32 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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Why are you asking?

Exoticlover

162 posts

1 month

Tuesday 2nd August
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The OP's question was about cyclist and their careless attitude at night, and I believe because they think being a cyclist is something magic nowadays, therefore nothing bad will happen and everyone else (pedestrians) owe them something.

That often ends badly, but....

I dont cycle at night, and when cycling in the dark I have proper front/taillights and a reflective belt, although our urban bike courier warriors and MIML might find that ridiculous.

J4CKO

37,001 posts

180 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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saaby93 said:
ScotHill said:
J4CKO said:
saaby93 said:
smn159 said:
saaby93 said:
Are bikes the only ones that do time trials on public roads?
Joggers?
Firstly they haven't been called joggers since the 1980's and secondly a cursory glance at Google will confirm that road races for runners take place pretty much every week
random google
https://www.verywellfit.com/difference-between-run...
Do you personally do any exercise type activity ?
I'm not convinced he has much contact with the outside world.
ok google must be wrong according to some PHers who like to have an argument
Would that be a good summary spin

Any motor vehicle time trials on public roads?
Who said argument, its a "Discussion Forum", we are discussing the matter in hand.

Its not necessarily an argument when someone doesn't agree.

And you didn't answer my question....

CheesecakeRunner

1,843 posts

71 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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KaraK said:
"Train in the environment you’re going to race" is great - except marathons aren't replicated by running on a road or pavement shared with others going about their business, it's a crap (IMO) substitute so I've only ever done it when I lacked access to better facilities at the time and I've generally come away from the experience unsatisfied. Sounds like the turbo for road cycling is like an erg is to rowing and has much same sub-optimal experience effect which sucks frown
Marathon training on a road surface (doesn’t need to be the actual road) is the best way of training particularly for the long runs. Because road marathons are raced on the road. Coping with the varying surface is just as much a skill in road running, as it is in cycling. I’ve done 16 of the buggers (and three trail) and I’m trained to coach them, so forgive me if I differ from your view.

Comparing a turbo to a rowing erg is a pretty fair analogy though, I’ll give you that.

KaraK

12,599 posts

189 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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ScotHill said:
KaraK said:
So this route, passing by the throbbing metropolis of Yealand Conyers, with a National Nature Reserve on one side and the M6 taking any medium-to-long distance traffic on the other, at the 'got to get home for my international Zoom calls' rush hour time of 7pm:



I mean, just look at how many motorised vehicles there are, it's a wonder this chap made it out alive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SSTUKAhsU8#t=57s
It's the A6, basically the main road for that area - and it was typically quite busy at the time of day this event ran. But what do I know - I only lived on that road for several years (in Milnthorpe) and just off that road in Beetham for several years before that and commuted along the entire length of that route while it was actually running. Clearly a ~2 min homemade highlight reel on youtube from one person's run on one occasion and taking one look at the map makes you more of an expert on the usage of a road than me driving on it multiple times a day for years rolleyes

And you know what.. I wouldn't even say they shouldn't do a time trial on that road, all I'm saying is that, when I was living there this particular one was badly run such presented a completely unnecessary level of risk and danger to the public - especially those cycling in it.

What I will say is heartening to see is that the organisers seem to have made some improvements - the place they make the turn (1:14 in the vid you linked) now appears to have some race people in hi-vis to provide a visual clue to traffic approaching from the south and to help warn the competitors in case something was coming. There didn't use to be anyone there - and that wasn't good, that pulling out from that junction is a nightmare in something that can get up to speed reasonably - on a push bike I can only imagine it's even worse.

CheesecakeRunner

1,843 posts

71 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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Time trials are run on roads like that because they’re the safest place for it, and that’s actually the sport. Road time trialing. Put them on a track and it’s not the same sport. Put them on a velodrome and it’s not the same sport.

And bear in mind, decent club time trialists will be riding around 30 to 35mph. Elites 35 to 40. At those speeds a road is where they should be.

saaby93

31,582 posts

158 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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CheesecakeRunner said:
Time trials are run on roads like that because they’re the safest place for it, and that’s actually the sport. Road time trialing. Put them on a track and it’s not the same sport. Put them on a velodrome and it’s not the same sport.

And bear in mind, decent club time trialists will be riding around 30 to 35mph. Elites 35 to 40. At those speeds a road is where they should be.
You can say that about all vehicles.
Should they be doing time trials on public roads or on converted airfields?

Exoticlover

162 posts

1 month

Tuesday 2nd August
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When it comes to "road sports" on public roads, what would changes if these would be held on purpose-built racetracks instead? Much safer and more accessible for spectators.

smn159

9,574 posts

197 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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Exoticlover said:
When it comes to "road sports" on public roads, what would changes if these would be held on purpose-built racetracks instead? Much safer and more accessible for spectators.
Have I stumbled into the Viz letters page?

Gweeds

2,488 posts

32 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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saaby93 said:
You can say that about all vehicles.
Should they be doing time trials on public roads or on converted airfields?
Why don't you tell us what you think?

CheesecakeRunner

1,843 posts

71 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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Exoticlover said:
When it comes to "road sports" on public roads, what would changes if these would be held on purpose-built racetracks instead? Much safer and more accessible for spectators.
Let’s hold a rally on a race track.

Oh wait - that’s a different sport then isn’t it?

CheesecakeRunner

1,843 posts

71 months

Tuesday 2nd August
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Exoticlover said:
When it comes to "road sports" on public roads, what would changes if these would be held on purpose-built racetracks instead? Much safer and more accessible for spectators.
Time trialing is not a spectator sport. In fact most cycling isn’t really a spectator sport, it’s a participation sport.

Type 2 fun and all that.