cyclists at night
Discussion
monthou said:
bigothunter said:
Same as drink-driving. Break the limit at your peril even if you have no way of measuring it.
Are cyclists exempt from drunken riding too?
No. But the rules are quite different.Are cyclists exempt from drunken riding too?
As they are for pedestrians.
bigothunter said:
James6112 said:
Rarely come across a cyclist at night, let alone with no lights.
Seems a complete non-issue
Whereas: Seems a complete non-issue
The Scotsman said:
Philip Pullman, author of His Dark Materials, was criticised for tweeting to its 200,000 followers last month: “The number of cyclists speeding through Oxford at night, with no lights, wearing dark clothes, is astonishing. Damn fools.” But he’s got a point – cyclists have been killed or injured cycling with no lights, like a 26-year-old in Sunderland in May.
Vizirider co-founder Simon Sibia said he could not believe the amount of cyclists riding at night without any lights, describing the experience, on a recent trip to London, as “absolute madness”.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/p...
Vizirider co-founder Simon Sibia said he could not believe the amount of cyclists riding at night without any lights, describing the experience, on a recent trip to London, as “absolute madness”.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/p...
A non issue here.
A good story though
bigothunter said:
monthou said:
Of course I've noticed it.
I just don't believe you, because it doesn't tally with anything else you post.
Believe what you like. Personally I don't give a fI just don't believe you, because it doesn't tally with anything else you post.
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bigothunter said:
monthou said:
bigothunter said:
Same as drink-driving. Break the limit at your peril even if you have no way of measuring it.
Are cyclists exempt from drunken riding too?
No. But the rules are quite different.Are cyclists exempt from drunken riding too?
As they are for pedestrians.
Richard-D said:
It is blatantly obvious from your posts on this thread (and others) that you have a problem with cyclists and pushbikes in general. Stating that you don't simply means that you are either dishonest or are actually unaware of your own bigotry.
According to you, I must be bigoted towards my own interests and activities. That's a unique accusation 
bigothunter said:
This absence of speedo argument is not convincing. That's not how the law works.
Also I'm not convinced that the number of cyclists regularly exceeding 20mph is statistically insignificant.
I don't really care to be honest. Focus more on your driving and maybe show as much animosity towards drivers who break multiple laws every day.Also I'm not convinced that the number of cyclists regularly exceeding 20mph is statistically insignificant.
Gweeds said:
bigothunter said:
This absence of speedo argument is not convincing. That's not how the law works.
Also I'm not convinced that the number of cyclists regularly exceeding 20mph is statistically insignificant.
I don't really care to be honest. Focus more on your driving and maybe show as much animosity towards drivers who break multiple laws every day.Also I'm not convinced that the number of cyclists regularly exceeding 20mph is statistically insignificant.
There that should help make the world go round
I think if lights didnt come as standard on cars due to regulations and it was up to drivers to fit them themselves, would be a lot more cars with no lights !
After all, come the end of September the cycloptic Peugeot season is on us and it becomes clear that a fair proportion of car owners dont have the wherewithal to change a bulb or get it changed, sometimes left until both go. Have seen cars with literally one working bulb.
I dont get why anyone would want to ride a bike at night unlit, it was normal back in the eighties for us to do it as bike lights were expensive, and st. I think generally as an unlit cyclist you would allow for this, or a lot would by taking certain well lit routes and keeping out of the way. It is mental but not heard of any epidemic of unlit cyclists getting splattered, which is surprising as it would seem to be a recipe for certain death.
However, most cars have powerful LED lights nowadays that are very effective, so by and large you see unlit cyclists and get to tut about them.
Also, having a car legally means you are at least 17, usually older and can pass a basic test, can fill in forms and do the administration to provide yourself with a car.
Having a bike only requires that you have a bike, no test, no paperwork so it is open to the young, who may or may not have some parental guidance about lights, helmets etc, my wife works in a school and some of the kids even in what is a fairly affluent area dont get fed properly or looked after in any way with parents who are halfwits, junkies or whatever.
Similarly, as anyone who can swing a leg over a bike can ride it you get drunks and all sorts, I used to work in a pub and Stan used to come in and have many pints of mild and then wend his merry unlit way home on his Raleigh shopper with a wood fruit box on the back, Stan wasnt going to buy lights, or insurance or whatever he was a barely functional alcoholic with psychiatric problems.
Some chaps from my local go on a pub crawl on bikes, finishing up in the local after a few pints, utterly mental, then you get the stories of hitting parked cars and ending up in hedges, asleep, hilarious, but they are, at least while riding "Cyclists"
Then I get told I break the law, run red lights etc etc, because some do, and it pisses me off, its like being told as a car driver I am a nob because of Certi Drivers on Youtube.
One thing I think should happen is all new bikes should come fitted with some basic lights, with batteries, would add pennies to the cost, and also maybe coppers should have a stock in their patrol cars and when they spot an unlit cyclists, stop them and put some lights on their bike, following a bking.
Maybe just offer free light sets via supermarkets or some other outlet, as the main thing is to capture those too stupid to buy them, or those who dont want to spend the £5 or so on something they dont deem necessary. I know someone will say "Free stuff for cyclists, what about us drivers", if you can afford to run a car then you dont need some free lights, but a kid who hasnt got £5, well they would benefit and drivers would benefit. It wouldnt cost much, and is probably cheaper than one person getting killed, sometimes you have to protect people from themselves.
Need to get people so they arent comfortable riding without lights, I couldn't do it, like driving without a seat belt.
After all, come the end of September the cycloptic Peugeot season is on us and it becomes clear that a fair proportion of car owners dont have the wherewithal to change a bulb or get it changed, sometimes left until both go. Have seen cars with literally one working bulb.
I dont get why anyone would want to ride a bike at night unlit, it was normal back in the eighties for us to do it as bike lights were expensive, and s
t. I think generally as an unlit cyclist you would allow for this, or a lot would by taking certain well lit routes and keeping out of the way. It is mental but not heard of any epidemic of unlit cyclists getting splattered, which is surprising as it would seem to be a recipe for certain death.However, most cars have powerful LED lights nowadays that are very effective, so by and large you see unlit cyclists and get to tut about them.
Also, having a car legally means you are at least 17, usually older and can pass a basic test, can fill in forms and do the administration to provide yourself with a car.
Having a bike only requires that you have a bike, no test, no paperwork so it is open to the young, who may or may not have some parental guidance about lights, helmets etc, my wife works in a school and some of the kids even in what is a fairly affluent area dont get fed properly or looked after in any way with parents who are halfwits, junkies or whatever.
Similarly, as anyone who can swing a leg over a bike can ride it you get drunks and all sorts, I used to work in a pub and Stan used to come in and have many pints of mild and then wend his merry unlit way home on his Raleigh shopper with a wood fruit box on the back, Stan wasnt going to buy lights, or insurance or whatever he was a barely functional alcoholic with psychiatric problems.
Some chaps from my local go on a pub crawl on bikes, finishing up in the local after a few pints, utterly mental, then you get the stories of hitting parked cars and ending up in hedges, asleep, hilarious, but they are, at least while riding "Cyclists"
Then I get told I break the law, run red lights etc etc, because some do, and it pisses me off, its like being told as a car driver I am a nob because of Certi Drivers on Youtube.
One thing I think should happen is all new bikes should come fitted with some basic lights, with batteries, would add pennies to the cost, and also maybe coppers should have a stock in their patrol cars and when they spot an unlit cyclists, stop them and put some lights on their bike, following a b
king. Maybe just offer free light sets via supermarkets or some other outlet, as the main thing is to capture those too stupid to buy them, or those who dont want to spend the £5 or so on something they dont deem necessary. I know someone will say "Free stuff for cyclists, what about us drivers", if you can afford to run a car then you dont need some free lights, but a kid who hasnt got £5, well they would benefit and drivers would benefit. It wouldnt cost much, and is probably cheaper than one person getting killed, sometimes you have to protect people from themselves.
Need to get people so they arent comfortable riding without lights, I couldn't do it, like driving without a seat belt.
bigothunter said:
monthou said:
As usual you won't give a straight answer.
Colour me unsurprised.
Level playing field for all road users is the answer...Colour me unsurprised.
There isn't a level playing field because some road users are more vulnerable than others and some are capable of causing more damage than others.
Throwing your leg over a crossbar isn't analagous to jumping behind the wheel of an HGV.
No government will ever give you your 'level playing field'. Because they're not completely nuts.
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