RE: Porsche 911 | PH Carpool

RE: Porsche 911 | PH Carpool

Wednesday 10th August 2022

Porsche 911 T | PH Carpool

For this PHer, it's not about the money - it's about the memories


Name: Gary Suggate
Car: 1972 Porsche 911 T
Owned since: 2002
Previously owned: Lots of Golfs 

Why I bought it:

“I’d always wanted a 911 since that dreadful Condorman film appeared on TV in 1981, but it wasn’t until I’d been driven in a 3.2 Carrera – by someone who was more of a driving god than I am – that the 911 rot really set in. 

“I’d been looking casually at adverts for years, but it was a colleague who found this one in a printed copy of AutoTrader (remember those?). I bought it for £5k, in the dark and in the rain, and the drive home was an event to put it mildly. No headlights to speak of. Just the occasional gears, and maybe four of the six cylinders running. Utterly terrifying!”

What I wish I'd known:

“To be honest, I knew very little about the early 911s and I’m really glad I went in blind. If I known where to look for the problems I might never have bought it, and then I’d have missed out on 20 years of joy and experiences that only this kind of car can bring.” 

Things I love:

“The pure and single-minded engineering behind the car. I’ve been in the automotive industry for a long time and to imagine the impact this car had at the time is mind blowing. Even then it was a bit of a fast Beetle, but you could see the process and the journey that Porsche’s engineering team were on, trying to make its flawed layout work.

"The noise it makes as you pass 4,000rpm is just spine tingling. It only revs to 6,500rpm, but it’s like a chainsaw ripping through steel and is so addictive. It chucks an awful lot of the fuel straight through both triple 40mm carbs and into the engine without burning it, so follow closely at your own risk!

“I also love the friends I’ve made through the ownership experience. I’m part of a group called DDK; it’s not a club in any traditional sense, just a mix of like-minded individuals from all walks of life who share a common passion. No one talks of low mileage or value on our forum… 

“We’ve been all over the U.K. on massive group drives and have been regulars at Classic Le Mans for many years. Some 40-odd early 911s lapping the circuit together before they close it on the Thursday creates core memories. Even the Gendarmerie tolerated us all parking up on side of the Mulsanne straight after a few ‘enthusiastic’ blats between the roundabouts. 

"Now it’s back in its original highlighter green it’s like driving a high-vis jacket and it’s still very much my car, but reborn. “

Things I hate:

“That people want to talk about what’s it worth rather than what’s it like to drive. Its value is nothing but an annoyance. I’ve no plans to ever sell it, it costs more to insure and causes parking paranoia. It won’t stop me using it, though! 

“The car itself? I wouldn’t change a thing, except maybe add another 50bhp, but then who doesn’t want another 50bhp?” 

Costs:

“It’s rude to talk money, isn’t it? But…I’ve got every invoice from the last 20 years, and I’ve never added them up. What I do know is that if I wasn’t capable of wielding a spanner it would have had to go long ago. I dread to think of the hours I’ve put in over those years, particularly during this rebuild. 

"Some high (and low?) lights for you – and this is just parts, without any labour: In 2010 I did a gearbox rebuild, which cost £1,800. Then in 2015 it was the engine that was rebuilt, at the cost of £4,700. In 2020 it had some new panels, which was probably around £7,000, and then in 2022 a re-paint. I can’t bring myself to write the cost of that down, though, but let’s just say do it once and do it right. It’s truly amazing and pictures don’t do it justice, and was done by an innocuous looking paint shop but a great one: it does multi-million-pound Ferraris and the new 250 SWB replicas. 

"One good thing about keeping old 911s on the road is the parts support from Porsche, which is second to none. You can get pretty much anything within three days, and that includes parts that are bespoke to this model year, like the rear-quarter panel with the oil filler in. Surprisingly, it didn’t cost more than the normal one. That said, it was still £1,200."

Where I've been:

“Absolutely everywhere. The highlands of Scotland, the Alps, Le Mans, Spa, and more Welsh mountains than I can remember. I’ve done a couple of track days, which are fun but a bit pointless – other than to hear the engine rev out without any legal ramifications. 

“A low mileage car is a sad car, and the time to enjoy freely burning petrol is getting running out, so enjoy it while you can. It’s never going to be a daily driver again, like it was throughout 2008, but it will get used, wet and dirty.” 

What next?

“I am never selling it. It’s part of the family. I’ve been made redundant and had to sell the house but kept the 911, so you can see where it sits in the pecking order. Next time the engine needs work it will get that extra 50bhp, but for now I’m just going to enjoy it. 

"That means I’m going to drive it, probably scratch it and cover it in mud. And, of course, make plenty of new memories along the way…”

Read more on Gary's 911 here.


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Discussion

Kipsrs

Original Poster:

431 posts

49 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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That was an absolute joy to read, I hope you have many more happy years with your wonderful car. clap

sidesauce

2,475 posts

218 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Enjoy it in good health sir!

86wasagoodyear

395 posts

96 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Fantastic read and car

Pflanzgarten

3,941 posts

25 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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I think that sells the story a little short to say the least! Excellent work Gary.

NigelCayless

202 posts

155 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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You are doing this car thing properly!

Hairymonster

1,428 posts

105 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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That's the way to do it. Bravo sir!

dinkel

26,939 posts

258 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Yeah, drive a car like you should.
I'm Gruppe Meister of the Dutch DauwtrappeRS collective and we do Dawn Raids and meetings.
There are 911 and 912 guys with decent mileage on their cars.
Not a problem when you take good care of yours.

BTW the Fulvia S1 is a newbee and the 147 is our trusty hack.
The group consists of 151 'members' and about a third are regulars.

Ben Lowden

6,031 posts

177 months

PH Marketing Bloke

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Sensational. I've followed Gary's Readers' Car thread for years and I'm still in absolute awe of what he's achieved. A true inspiration for many of us here on PH.

Google [bot]

6,682 posts

181 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Thoroughly enjoyed that, a great car, read and attitude. The only downside being my own remorse at having missed the old 911 boat.

GreatScott2016

1,181 posts

88 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Top notch read, love the no talk around “low mileage and value” bit. So refreshing. Brave to say the least though that the house went and the car didn’t, that must indeed be love! Wish you well in your search for work (assuming you’ve had no success already) and continue to enjoy many many more miles in the Porsche beer

biggbn

23,313 posts

220 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Now that is the kind of 911 I genuinely covet, so much more desirable than newer models for me, and that is 100% the best attitude to owning one. Well done that man, an inspiration!!

Unreal

3,370 posts

25 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Lovely car owned by a real enthusiast. Great to read.

S600BSB

4,617 posts

106 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Great read - thank you.

Chubbyross

4,546 posts

85 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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A wonderful read. Thank you. And not a single mention of residuals. Proper petrolhead car ownership right there.

Bonefish Blues

26,678 posts

223 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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biggbn said:
Now that is the kind of 911 I genuinely covet, so much more desirable than newer models for me, and that is 100% the best attitude to owning one. Well done that man, an inspiration!!
That

hiccy18

2,671 posts

67 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Fabulous. Love the car, love that it's used and loved more. Chapeau!

r1ch

2,871 posts

196 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Love it, beautiful thing that, often visit the readers car thread for the excellent photographs.

Mouse Rat

1,811 posts

92 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Although I'm a Porsche fan I've never really paid much attention to the 911, it's never a car that's been appealing for various reasons.

However looking those pictures the lines and design are wonderful. Very DS like from the rear which I've never noticed before.
I bet it's a lovely thing to own.

LotusOmega375D

7,613 posts

153 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Really nice car and write up. An old friend of mine in Germany has a 911T Targa. He re-imported it from the USA way back when as a complete restoration project for about $5000. He had the foresight to tell his wife that if he didn’t buy it then, it would cost much more later on. He’s been restoring it slowly ever since. I haven’t seen him since before COVID, but I imagine it must be finished by now. The engine was rebuilt to concours standard by some retired Porsche racing car guru.

DBRacingGod

609 posts

192 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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A truly splendid car and a great write-up, thanks. Just out of interest, can anyone tell me how’s it a 1972 vehicle (intro text) on a 1970 plate, or have I missed something?