RE: Rodin Cars announces wild FZERO for 2023
Discussion
EffettoSuolo said:
Besides how the FZero will turn out to be in the future, on a general note I have to say that the irony and the low-level comments on the Rodin Cars firm that I read in this thread are quite disappointing and they indicate a sub-par general car knowledge from many of the posters here. And to say that the name of this site is PistonHeads, so I was expecting a lot better...
Is that you David? Edited by EffettoSuolo on Wednesday 10th August 14:32
Apologies that we can't all keep up with the next vapourware supercar project.
EffettoSuolo said:
MountainsofSussex said:
They do seem like a reasonably serious operation: https://youtu.be/ukOuwRHxnL0
They are. EffettoSuolo said:
the low-level comments ... that I read in this thread are quite disappointing and they indicate a sub-par general car knowledge from many of the posters here. And to say that the name of this site is PistonHeads, so I was expecting a lot better...
then this happens... Olivera said:
ate one too said:
Rodin is owned by David Dicker.
Dicker Data...
<snigger>Dicker Data...
EffettoSuolo said:
They are.
They sponsor Lawson in F2, Chadwick in WSeries and young talents in F3, they have an enormous facility with top tech in New Zealand and a second pole in UK at Donington.
They have recently launched their own Rodin Cars Super GT Series as well.
The open-wheeler FZed is a fully operational track car quite a bit faster than current F2 machines, it is based on the previous Lotus T125 project but has been subjected to a wide range of modifications and improvements to engine, chassis, aero, weight, software, all carried out and developed in-house by the Rodin Team.
The owner and founder, David Dicker, is a multi-millionaire also owner and founder of IT facility Dicker Data (from the 80s), has an enormous passion for cars and is a proven Ferrari Challenge winner.
All of these activities, while impressive, are anyway 'side quests' compared to the development of the FZero, which is the real target for David and the facility and it has been in the works and in its development phase from many years.
Besides how the FZero will turn out to be in the future, on a general note I have to say that the irony and the low-level comments on the Rodin Cars firm that I read in this thread are quite disappointing and they indicate a sub-par general car knowledge from many of the posters here. And to say that the name of this site is PistonHeads, so I was expecting a lot better...
Quite a bit faster than current F2 machines? They sponsor Lawson in F2, Chadwick in WSeries and young talents in F3, they have an enormous facility with top tech in New Zealand and a second pole in UK at Donington.
They have recently launched their own Rodin Cars Super GT Series as well.
The open-wheeler FZed is a fully operational track car quite a bit faster than current F2 machines, it is based on the previous Lotus T125 project but has been subjected to a wide range of modifications and improvements to engine, chassis, aero, weight, software, all carried out and developed in-house by the Rodin Team.
The owner and founder, David Dicker, is a multi-millionaire also owner and founder of IT facility Dicker Data (from the 80s), has an enormous passion for cars and is a proven Ferrari Challenge winner.
All of these activities, while impressive, are anyway 'side quests' compared to the development of the FZero, which is the real target for David and the facility and it has been in the works and in its development phase from many years.
Besides how the FZero will turn out to be in the future, on a general note I have to say that the irony and the low-level comments on the Rodin Cars firm that I read in this thread are quite disappointing and they indicate a sub-par general car knowledge from many of the posters here. And to say that the name of this site is PistonHeads, so I was expecting a lot better...
Sounds interesting, given that the current F2, LMP1 and Indycar are all around the same speed, with only a modern hybrid F1 car being noticeably faster.
I’m looking forward to the F1-ballpark lap times, you’ll have to let us know when the demo is happening.
EffettoSuolo said:
They are.
They sponsor Lawson in F2, Chadwick in WSeries and young talents in F3, they have an enormous facility with top tech in New Zealand and a second pole in UK at Donington.
They have recently launched their own Rodin Cars Super GT Series as well.
The open-wheeler FZed is a fully operational track car quite a bit faster than current F2 machines, it is based on the previous Lotus T125 project but has been subjected to a wide range of modifications and improvements to engine, chassis, aero, weight, software, all carried out and developed in-house by the Rodin Team.
The owner and founder, David Dicker, is a multi-millionaire also owner and founder of IT facility Dicker Data (from the 80s), has an enormous passion for cars and is a proven Ferrari Challenge winner.
All of these activities, while impressive, are anyway 'side quests' compared to the development of the FZero, which is the real target for David and the facility and it has been in the works and in its development phase from many years.
Besides how the FZero will turn out to be in the future, on a general note I have to say that the irony and the low-level comments on the Rodin Cars firm that I read in this thread are quite disappointing and they indicate a sub-par general car knowledge from many of the posters here. And to say that the name of this site is PistonHeads, so I was expecting a lot better...
I agree man, I think as a concept that looks brilliant but then the Caparro T1 was one of my favourite ever supercars. Hope this comes to fruition, I'd have something like that over any of the usual suspects! They sponsor Lawson in F2, Chadwick in WSeries and young talents in F3, they have an enormous facility with top tech in New Zealand and a second pole in UK at Donington.
They have recently launched their own Rodin Cars Super GT Series as well.
The open-wheeler FZed is a fully operational track car quite a bit faster than current F2 machines, it is based on the previous Lotus T125 project but has been subjected to a wide range of modifications and improvements to engine, chassis, aero, weight, software, all carried out and developed in-house by the Rodin Team.
The owner and founder, David Dicker, is a multi-millionaire also owner and founder of IT facility Dicker Data (from the 80s), has an enormous passion for cars and is a proven Ferrari Challenge winner.
All of these activities, while impressive, are anyway 'side quests' compared to the development of the FZero, which is the real target for David and the facility and it has been in the works and in its development phase from many years.
Besides how the FZero will turn out to be in the future, on a general note I have to say that the irony and the low-level comments on the Rodin Cars firm that I read in this thread are quite disappointing and they indicate a sub-par general car knowledge from many of the posters here. And to say that the name of this site is PistonHeads, so I was expecting a lot better...
Edited by EffettoSuolo on Wednesday 10th August 14:32
EffettoSuolo said:
MountainsofSussex said:
They do seem like a reasonably serious operation: https://youtu.be/ukOuwRHxnL0
They are. They sponsor Lawson in F2, Chadwick in WSeries and young talents in F3, they have an enormous facility with top tech in New Zealand and a second pole in UK at Donington.
They have recently launched their own Rodin Cars Super GT Series as well.
The open-wheeler FZed is a fully operational track car quite a bit faster than current F2 machines, it is based on the previous Lotus T125 project but has been subjected to a wide range of modifications and improvements to engine, chassis, aero, weight, software, all carried out and developed in-house by the Rodin Team.
The owner and founder, David Dicker, is a multi-millionaire also owner and founder of IT facility Dicker Data (from the 80s), has an enormous passion for cars and is a proven Ferrari Challenge winner.
All of these activities, while impressive, are anyway 'side quests' compared to the development of the FZero, which is the real target for David and the facility and it has been in the works and in its development phase from many years.
Besides how the FZero will turn out to be in the future, on a general note I have to say that the irony and the low-level comments on the Rodin Cars firm that I read in this thread are quite disappointing and they indicate a sub-par general car knowledge from many of the posters here. And to say that the name of this site is PistonHeads, so I was expecting a lot better...
Edited by EffettoSuolo on Wednesday 10th August 14:32
Member since December 2021?
Located in ‘Italy’
We know that’s you, Dicker!
Stevie_Wonder said:
EffettoSuolo said:
the low-level comments ... that I read in this thread are quite disappointing and they indicate a sub-par general car knowledge from many of the posters here. And to say that the name of this site is PistonHeads, so I was expecting a lot better...
then this happens... Olivera said:
ate one too said:
Rodin is owned by David Dicker.
Dicker Data...
<snigger>Dicker Data...
Mark-C said:
Sulaco said:
More than a whiff of Caparo T1 about it.
That car was hot news for a while. It was the next bright thing…
You can buy one of those for £190k if you want - at least it really existed --> https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1167283That car was hot news for a while. It was the next bright thing…
I've not been in Norfolk for years but Stratton Motors had one in the window not long after they were launched - maybe the same one?!
EffettoSuolo said:
MountainsofSussex said:
They do seem like a reasonably serious operation: https://youtu.be/ukOuwRHxnL0
They are. They sponsor Lawson in F2, Chadwick in WSeries and young talents in F3, they have an enormous facility with top tech in New Zealand and a second pole in UK at Donington.
They have recently launched their own Rodin Cars Super GT Series as well.
The open-wheeler FZed is a fully operational track car quite a bit faster than current F2 machines, it is based on the previous Lotus T125 project but has been subjected to a wide range of modifications and improvements to engine, chassis, aero, weight, software, all carried out and developed in-house by the Rodin Team.
The owner and founder, David Dicker, is a multi-millionaire also owner and founder of IT facility Dicker Data (from the 80s), has an enormous passion for cars and is a proven Ferrari Challenge winner.
All of these activities, while impressive, are anyway 'side quests' compared to the development of the FZero, which is the real target for David and the facility and it has been in the works and in its development phase from many years.
Besides how the FZero will turn out to be in the future, on a general note I have to say that the irony and the low-level comments on the Rodin Cars firm that I read in this thread are quite disappointing and they indicate a sub-par general car knowledge from many of the posters here. And to say that the name of this site is PistonHeads, so I was expecting a lot better...
Edited by EffettoSuolo on Wednesday 10th August 14:32
To be fair they have been a going concern with that repurposed Lotus F1 car from a few years ago, for quite some time. Clear where financing -could- come from… Probably at least a rung above total vapourware.
nismo48 said:
Stevie_Wonder said:
EffettoSuolo said:
the low-level comments ... that I read in this thread are quite disappointing and they indicate a sub-par general car knowledge from many of the posters here. And to say that the name of this site is PistonHeads, so I was expecting a lot better...
then this happens... Olivera said:
ate one too said:
Rodin is owned by David Dicker.
Dicker Data...
<snigger>Dicker Data...
ZedLeg said:
If that comes out next year I'll donate my entire year's salary to charity.
Possibly unwise words. This thing is largely self funded by someone very well capitalised who is doing the project on the basis that he can afford to fund it and have it be a total commercial failure. It's not dependent on outside investments or stealing deposits from Peter to pay Paul to do the basic engineering.They make most of the car in house, including stuff like the crank. This is not the usual vapourware.
Correct me if I'm wrong but this car is claimed to have more power, less weight and substantially more downforce than a current F1 car.
Huge downforce that probably depends on a very finely balanced suspension set-up matched to the track. The sort of downforce that could disappear very quickly under certain dynamic conditions.
So can someone explain who exactly is going to be able to afford to buy one of these, and, using all of the performance, have the requisite physical fitness and driving ability to not die in a fiery crash as soon as they make the slightest mistake.
The other thing is that a massively fast track car isn't necessarily enjoyable to drive. I'm not convinced that bolting on turbochargers and electric assist to chase silly power outputs is the right approach to making the ultimate track car. It's all very well making claims it will outperform the T50 Lauda or Valkyrie but if the quality of the renders is any refection on the quality of the engineering and, in particular, aerodynamic know-how, I'm not feeling confident at this juncture.
Hope to be proven wrong though.
Huge downforce that probably depends on a very finely balanced suspension set-up matched to the track. The sort of downforce that could disappear very quickly under certain dynamic conditions.
So can someone explain who exactly is going to be able to afford to buy one of these, and, using all of the performance, have the requisite physical fitness and driving ability to not die in a fiery crash as soon as they make the slightest mistake.
The other thing is that a massively fast track car isn't necessarily enjoyable to drive. I'm not convinced that bolting on turbochargers and electric assist to chase silly power outputs is the right approach to making the ultimate track car. It's all very well making claims it will outperform the T50 Lauda or Valkyrie but if the quality of the renders is any refection on the quality of the engineering and, in particular, aerodynamic know-how, I'm not feeling confident at this juncture.
Hope to be proven wrong though.
I have done dozens of laps on Rodin’s own tracks (note the plural) in Ferraris and Alfas. Also I have been through the workshop twice. Since then a whole new engine plant has been added. It’s a very serious operation. Dicker Data is only a part of David’s successful business. His support of up-and-coming race drivers is also to be respected. Liam Lawson is faster around their top track in the Fzed than he is in a F2 (circa 2014 car IIRC) so Rodin had some serious credibility. Fascinating to see progress on the FZero.
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