RE: Porsche Taycan Turbo S sets new 'ring EV record

[chrisironside]

Twinair said:

So 2 of the hottest EV’s, slower than my less powerful (and way cheaper) M4 Comp Xdrive… brum brum… x

The Taycan isn't a rival to the M4 though.
The Honda e has a turning circle far less than the considerably more expensive and more powerful Rolls Royce Ghost.

[ntiz]

LucyP said:

And how much battery range was left afterwards? And did the battery have to be specially cooled/heated/conditioned first?

These 'Ring lap records were pointless with ICE cars, and they are even more pointless with an EV. Has anyone ever been overtaken by an EV? Has anyone ever seen an EV on the motorway not in lane 1, following the trucks, saving battery range?

Yes when I’m driving my wife’s Model S. The range truly becomes a joke if you start using the performance. Which is a real shame as there is an awful lot to like about EV.

Long distance stuff is not enjoyable for me in one anyway.

[Twinair]

D4rez said:

cookie1600 said:

Twinair said:

So 2 of the hottest EV’s, slower than my less powerful (and way cheaper) M4 Comp Xdrive… brum brum… x

And I'm guessing you could drive away from the circuit for some considerable miles on what was left in the tank afterwards, rather than having to fill it up immediately with 'juice' again?

Sure but what are you going to be allowed to buy in a few years time. It’s good to start the development of EVs that can do the track stuff. Yes this is a big sedan but it shows a direction of travel

All valid points - agree. My thought was that my ICE has between 100 and 500 less HP. Costs between £40k to £60k less. It goes ‘brum’ (which ok - not everyone wants a car that goes ‘brum’). Even Chris Harris said of the M3/4: ‘I’d rather drive one of these than any EV - point blank’, due to the soul and involvement.

We are constantly reading (being told) on these forums that: ‘EV performance is superior - in every way’. Well from my direct actual experience of EV’s (Model 3 Perf & Polestar Perf & Taycan) they are not superior.

So right now, ICE is er, better ‘bang’ for the buck versus these current, horsepower laden & expensive, EV benchmarks?

No? Yes?

Edited by Twinair on Wednesday 10th August 16:03

[LuS1fer]

I don't know about everyone else but I never even consider buying a car without knowing its Nurburgring circuit time.

I find it absulutely crucial information to know how much quicker I can get to Aldis and what effect a full load of shopping will have.

I mean, FFS, who honestly cares?

[Twinair]

LuS1fer said:

I don't know about everyone else but I never even consider buying a car without knowing its Nurburgring circuit time.

I find it absulutely crucial information to know how much quicker I can get to Aldis and what effect a full load of shopping will have.

I mean, FFS, who honestly cares?

Agree. I didn’t even know what mine was until I was triggered by another ‘EV’ ring benchmark time. Looked it up, was glad to see the more expensive EV’s were slower.

When I bought mine:

looked at the colour / interior = like.
drove it = a right hoot.
car actually available = yes.
tried not to look at the finance = signed with eyes half closed.

Ever since = hooning around and generally consuming a fair bit of that 2 quid a litre optimax.

Ring time = never was a factor.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

Twinair said:

LuS1fer said:

I don't know about everyone else but I never even consider buying a car without knowing its Nurburgring circuit time.

I find it absulutely crucial information to know how much quicker I can get to Aldis and what effect a full load of shopping will have.

I mean, FFS, who honestly cares?

Agree. I didn’t even know what mine was until I was triggered by another ‘EV’ ring benchmark time. Looked it up, was glad to see the more expensive EV’s were slower.

When I bought mine:

looked at the colour / interior = like.
drove it = a right hoot.
car actually available = yes.
tried not to look at the finance = signed with eyes half closed.

Ever since = hooning around and generally consuming a fair bit of that 2 quid a litre optimax.

Ring time = never was a factor.

I personally don't care (heck, I've got a Lexus LS ) but - and I might be TOTALLY wrong here but here is my possible explanation why it might matter to SOME people:

If a car has been developed well at the 'ring - which is a good challenge for any car - then chances are it feels very stable at high speed and can be thrown around with confidence.

I may be totally wrong, of course (and probably am!). But here's a thought....you bought yours because it was a hoot to drive etc. Could it be that if it was developed with track driving, as well as road driving, that the engineers were able to make it more enjoyable to drive at speeds? If 2 cars are in the same category and 1 car does a 7:30 and the other does a 7:31 I don't think it means anything at all and you'd take your pick on personal preference. If 1 does a 7:30 and the other an 8:00, that could well mean the driving characteristics between the 2 cars is fairly significant, and if you want a more sporty car, then the 7:30 one may be the one for you.

Just my tuppence worth, but as I say, lap times don't interest me much other than for the fact I like the fact engineers always like to push the boat out and see what they can do.

[GreatScott2016]

LuS1fer said:

I don't know about everyone else but I never even consider buying a car without knowing its Nurburgring circuit time.

I find it absulutely crucial information to know how much quicker I can get to Aldis and what effect a full load of shopping will have.

I mean, FFS, who honestly cares?

Beautifully said, couldn’t agree more

[ajap1979]

LuS1fer said:

I don't know about everyone else but I never even consider buying a car without knowing its Nurburgring circuit time.

I find it absulutely crucial information to know how much quicker I can get to Aldis and what effect a full load of shopping will have.

I mean, FFS, who honestly cares?

It’s of absolute importance. Second only to knowing exactly how many miles it can do on one tank of petrol…

[nismo48]

J4CKO said:

smilo996 said:

turns out the jelly mould from former paypal owner is a bit crap. Best leave it to car makers to make......cars.

I am no Tesla fanboy but one Porsche going round a track a bit quicker doesn't render all Tesla products null and void.

Car makers are now making things like the Taycan, mainly because of Tesla coming in and disrupting the market place, Tesla went from not being a car company to allegedly the most valuable one on the planet, not bad going, credit where its due.

+1 Agree

[Hoofy]

"Turbo".

Also, sounds awful. All it's missing is a few milk bottles bouncing off each other.

[GT9]

LucyP said:

Has anyone ever been overtaken by an EV?

Go to Austria, in some places EVs have a higher speed limit than ICE cars.

UK government can't do it just yet as we don't have enough doctors to deal with all the coronaries it will cause.

[markj113]

cue the triggered Tesla fanboys harping on about only a cheap suspension/brake upgrade required to beat them Taycan.

[Hoofy]

LucyP said:

Has anyone ever been overtaken by an EV?

Yes, in a 20 zone. Sorry for doing 20.

[honda_exige]

smithyithy said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

400bhp less and still faster, goes to show that Porsche know how to make a car go round corners a lot better than Tesla!

Although I'm a big Porsche fan and don't particularly like Tesla...

The Taycan was on P Zero Corsa, whereas the Tesla Plaid was apparently on Pilot Sport 4S...

P Zero Corsa are about equivalent in laptime performance to the PS4S.

[smithyithy]

honda_exige said:

P Zero Corsa are about equivalent in laptime performance to the PS4S.

Really? I thought Corsa were equivalent to Pilot Sport Cup?

[Terminator X]

7s quicker than a 2 litre hatchback? Nice.

TX.

[honda_exige]

smithyithy said:

honda_exige said:

P Zero Corsa are about equivalent in laptime performance to the PS4S.

Really? I thought Corsa were equivalent to Pilot Sport Cup?

In marketing yes, in the real world not the whole story. But that's also to do with the Michelin PS4S over performing.

Cup 2s are only about 0.6 seconds a Lap quicker than a PS4S of an average track around 1min20 long. Pzero Corsa are around that behind the Cup 2s.
A friends GT3 came on Corsa's, crap compared to the Cup 2s (not R) that replaced them. Several seconds a Lap slower at Silverstone.

Very little objective track testing of Corsa's exists, probably because no one uses them as a track tyre. But from a brief scan I've seen a test that shows a Corsa is 2 seconds a Lap slower than a Trofeo R and another test that shows a PS4S is also 2 seconds a Lap slower than a Trofeo R - so Corsa and PS4S are around equivalent.

[Debaser]

GreatScott2016 said:

LuS1fer said:

I don't know about everyone else but I never even consider buying a car without knowing its Nurburgring circuit time.

I find it absulutely crucial information to know how much quicker I can get to Aldis and what effect a full load of shopping will have.

I mean, FFS, who honestly cares?

Beautifully said, couldn’t agree more

Nürburgring lap times are a good indicator of performance. I think they’re interesting.

[Harrypop]

Limpet said:

J4CKO said:

Car makers are now making things like the Taycan, mainly because of Tesla coming in and disrupting the market place

Precisely. The only reason any of the established car manufacturers give a stuff about electric cars now is because Tesla showed they could be made fast, desirable and interesting, and that people would pay a premium accordingly.

So, just to be clear, governmental legislation regarding the future of petrol and diesel cars, and shifting attitudes amongst the public in general, has had absolutely nothing to do with their decision making?

[Talksteer]

The Model S can of course go faster than the 7:35 time. It has set a 7:12 lap with the right rubber and the ceramic brake upgrade which is available from the manufacturer.