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Wildcat45 said:
Buy it, drive it, service it properly and it’ll probably last you 15 years.
That’s what I did with my Mazda CX-7. It outlasted a new Freelander and 3 Discovery Sports. All bought as replacements, but we always found an excuse to keep the Mazda.
I don’t know f you can fairly judge a brand by the ownership of one car, but Mazdas appear to be utterly reliable. A relative had a new 323 in 1980 that lived a long life into the 1990s, with similar reliability.
A turbo would make the 6 a really attractive prospect.
Looked after properly I would be very disappointed if all I got was 15 years tbh. 20 years, 200k and going as strong as ever in my E46 shed currently.That’s what I did with my Mazda CX-7. It outlasted a new Freelander and 3 Discovery Sports. All bought as replacements, but we always found an excuse to keep the Mazda.
I don’t know f you can fairly judge a brand by the ownership of one car, but Mazdas appear to be utterly reliable. A relative had a new 323 in 1980 that lived a long life into the 1990s, with similar reliability.
A turbo would make the 6 a really attractive prospect.
Water Fairy said:
Wow! You've inspected them all? Well done.
To be fair, we've had a 2, 6 and Mx-5 (nd). All purchased new.They all had/have rust present.
I had my MX-5 undersealed last year with a check this weekend.
The owner of the company said he has had brand new ones in with surface rust on suspension already. He said he was recently treating a 2016 MX-5 that is rotten underneath.
Mazda really isn't good in this department. It's a shame as they are good drivers.
satfinal said:
Number 1 rule of estate design, do not do this
Do this (flat opening to the boot, and more square opening)
Small boot openings and a sloping roof because it 'looks better' are the bane of lots of modern estates. When the decisions are made usually practicality gets compromised for styling, which seems a shame for the version you buy because it's practical. Do this (flat opening to the boot, and more square opening)
ChocolateFrog said:
mersontheperson said:
mrclav said:
mersontheperson said:
Strange that the article doesn’t mention that in Japan the car is offered with the 2.5 liter turbo with 230ps
So if you want a turbo estate you can have one
I guess that this being a UK site, talking about a Japan only model means UK readers can't have one if they want.So if you want a turbo estate you can have one
Edited by mersontheperson on Sunday 18th September 07:50
I think it’s completely relevant to the story of the weakness of a car is an engine option that doesn’t exist here but does in other markets, especially RHD markets
Guessing it would be in a high VED bracket (or whatever we're calling car tax this week).
So it seems to be Mazda UK, likely for tax reasons, that are restricting the range to just the normally aspirated engines.
We (Australia, NZ) also get the Mazda CX-9, which is a 7-seat SUV the same size as the Q7 and XC90. Very popular over here. Admittedly we have more space on our roads, but if Audi, BMW, Land Rover, Mercedes, Volvo etc can all see their way to offering a car that size in the UK I'm surprised Mazda UK can't.
I have the 2.0 in my CX5 and it was very boring and gutless until I added a Corksport Short Ram Intake and an ‘axle back’ muffler. Just gave it that little bit more noise and noticeable power to make it fun. The stock intake system is extremely restricted. I’ve also found premium fuel makes a noticeable difference.
Matt_T said:
Can anyone tell me the thinking behind Mazda's Sky Active engines (NA 4 cylinders) when other maufactureres were going to turbos for everything? Was it to make an engine that worked in all markets, reduce costs by nit having a turbo?
Mazda believes that small turbo engines are just a way to meet emissions targets and aren't actually useful in everyday driving."Drive in a lower gear" is their advice.
virtualmark said:
ChocolateFrog said:
mersontheperson said:
mrclav said:
mersontheperson said:
Strange that the article doesn’t mention that in Japan the car is offered with the 2.5 liter turbo with 230ps
So if you want a turbo estate you can have one
I guess that this being a UK site, talking about a Japan only model means UK readers can't have one if they want.So if you want a turbo estate you can have one
Edited by mersontheperson on Sunday 18th September 07:50
I think it’s completely relevant to the story of the weakness of a car is an engine option that doesn’t exist here but does in other markets, especially RHD markets
Guessing it would be in a high VED bracket (or whatever we're calling car tax this week).
So it seems to be Mazda UK, likely for tax reasons, that are restricting the range to just the normally aspirated engines.
We (Australia, NZ) also get the Mazda CX-9, which is a 7-seat SUV the same size as the Q7 and XC90. Very popular over here. Admittedly we have more space on our roads, but if Audi, BMW, Land Rover, Mercedes, Volvo etc can all see their way to offering a car that size in the UK I'm surprised Mazda UK can't.
plfrench said:
The sooner more manufacturers cotton on to making EV estates the better. Perfect match for a practical family car.
They're beginning to come through slowly - obviously there has been the MG5 for a while (although if that's anything like the MG ZS EV I tried, I'd be giving it a wide berth), but this is being joined in the next year or so by an Peugeot e308 SW and fully electric Astra Estate. Obviously, these are both developed on old school platforms that are compromised in terms of packaging due to also needing to accommodate ICE and gearboxes in other variants.
Mazda need to hurry up a bit with their full EV offering - a ground-up 6 Estate could find itself in a pretty rewarding marketplace if they could get one out in the next few years.
EV Range will focus people's minds on aerodynamic efficiency with EVs in a way it was masked with ICE - I suspect this will drive SUVs out of favour and give estates a bit of a resurgence.
This. If Mazda could produce one with a half decent range and a bit of grunt it would be fantastic. They're beginning to come through slowly - obviously there has been the MG5 for a while (although if that's anything like the MG ZS EV I tried, I'd be giving it a wide berth), but this is being joined in the next year or so by an Peugeot e308 SW and fully electric Astra Estate. Obviously, these are both developed on old school platforms that are compromised in terms of packaging due to also needing to accommodate ICE and gearboxes in other variants.
Mazda need to hurry up a bit with their full EV offering - a ground-up 6 Estate could find itself in a pretty rewarding marketplace if they could get one out in the next few years.
EV Range will focus people's minds on aerodynamic efficiency with EVs in a way it was masked with ICE - I suspect this will drive SUVs out of favour and give estates a bit of a resurgence.
runnerbean 14 said:
Totally agree re too many SUVs on the road. An estate does the job so much more elegantly and sportingly. In my case it's an Audi A4 B9 V6 TDi, Stage 1 chipped to 340 bhp and 500 lb ft. A great mile-muncher which will swallow all sorts of loads. Totally silent inside at 80+ mph with the optional double glazed glass, and 39 mpg overall.
Exactly the same car here, with tune too. Really struggle to think what I'll be able to replace it with. I do a couple drives a year to Czech and back taking stuff each way (plenty of beer on the return). Despite setting the ACC to 90mph in germany, it's never seen under 47mpg on the drive across.A few people in the thread have mentioned how mazda get the button/screen ratio right. Audi nailed it in the B9.
Matt_T said:
I've driven a few Hondas with the 2.0 petrol (K20 series) and they just don't suit big cars, much more a home in hatchbacks. In big cars you have to rev them and the real-world mpg suffers.
Agreed - I had an Accord Tourer auto with the 2.0 150bhp petrol - not sure if it would have been the K20 but it was a 2003 model if that helps. There was a lot to like about it (really comfy and practical), but the engine just didn't suit it at all. As soon as you encountered a hill (I live in a hilly area), or gave the throttle a moderate prod, it would change down at least two gears and scream its head off. Some PH heroes will say they like that sort of thing but really, if you're just doing day-to-day stuff, it's bloody tiresome. I ended up changing up gears manually a lot, so lost the benefit of an auto, got ste mpg and ste performance!mersontheperson said:
virtualmark said:
ChocolateFrog said:
mersontheperson said:
mrclav said:
mersontheperson said:
Strange that the article doesn’t mention that in Japan the car is offered with the 2.5 liter turbo with 230ps
So if you want a turbo estate you can have one
I guess that this being a UK site, talking about a Japan only model means UK readers can't have one if they want.So if you want a turbo estate you can have one
Edited by mersontheperson on Sunday 18th September 07:50
I think it’s completely relevant to the story of the weakness of a car is an engine option that doesn’t exist here but does in other markets, especially RHD markets
Guessing it would be in a high VED bracket (or whatever we're calling car tax this week).
So it seems to be Mazda UK, likely for tax reasons, that are restricting the range to just the normally aspirated engines.
We (Australia, NZ) also get the Mazda CX-9, which is a 7-seat SUV the same size as the Q7 and XC90. Very popular over here. Admittedly we have more space on our roads, but if Audi, BMW, Land Rover, Mercedes, Volvo etc can all see their way to offering a car that size in the UK I'm surprised Mazda UK can't.
Australia and NZ do get a wider range of Japanese metal. Mainly I think because there's less tax punishments for emissions and so on. So we've got, or are getting, the Nissan Z, the GR Corolla, the GT86/BRZ twins etc. Great roads for them here too - NZ roads are more like Welsh or Scottish roads, but with less traffic.
FA57REN said:
Matt_T said:
Can anyone tell me the thinking behind Mazda's Sky Active engines (NA 4 cylinders) when other maufactureres were going to turbos for everything? Was it to make an engine that worked in all markets, reduce costs by nit having a turbo?
Mazda believes that small turbo engines are just a way to meet emissions targets and aren't actually useful in everyday driving."Drive in a lower gear" is their advice.
Edited by xu5 on Monday 19th September 09:52
xu5 said:
FA57REN said:
Matt_T said:
Can anyone tell me the thinking behind Mazda's Sky Active engines (NA 4 cylinders) when other maufactureres were going to turbos for everything? Was it to make an engine that worked in all markets, reduce costs by nit having a turbo?
Mazda believes that small turbo engines are just a way to meet emissions targets and aren't actually useful in everyday driving."Drive in a lower gear" is their advice.
Edited by xu5 on Monday 19th September 09:52
In my experience with the cars I've had...you can only get away with a NA engine if the car is light. Granted there are a few exceptions though, and the C63 with the 6.2 NA V8 is a good example because the engine is torquey as standard.
Roger Irrelevant said:
nobrakes said:
I completely agree. This is the sort of thing that the virtually meaningless boot-size-in-litres figure totally misses when it comes to estate cars. You can have a colossal load volume on paper but if the back seats don't fold flat, the boot aperture is an awkward shape thanks to a swoopy roofline or some other styling feature, the wheel arches intrude into the load bay and there's a big lip down to it, then it's a lot less useful than it could be. The Mazda does look like a decent motor though.
xu5 said:
I remember watching a video Matt Watson of carwow did comparing the Mazda 2 1.5 NA to a fiesta 1.0t where he compared the overtaking prowess of each in 4th gear. Obviously he praised the low down eardge of small turbo but it was pretty a lame point to highlight I thought as anyone that actually knows how to drive would have dropped a gear or two, the Mazda 2 can push 70 in 2nd. I guess being able to drive lazy is a big plus for most even in small fun to drive cars.
Why does it have to mean being "lazy", or about "knowing how to drive"? We're not talking about a sports car, we're talking about a run-of-the-mill road car. Edited by xu5 on Monday 19th September 09:52
You don't need to act like a driving god all the time.
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