RE: New 2.0-litre Mercedes-AMG C63 officially unveiled

[Terminator X]

TeaVR said:

BMWs have been sounding crap for a while now (fake engine noises and fart fart fart bang exhausts), but the outgoing C63 (w205) still sounds epic - so it's a massive downgrade to a 4 pot.

Actually surprised they didn't go fully elecric.

M3cs sounds great although 2018 car so 4 years ago now. OPF's have killed off the sound in pretty much all cars however Merc seemed to have evaded that somehow when they had the V8 which I guess is why most of us are sad.

TX.

[spookly]

I'd rather have a low fat version with just the 476bhp ICE. Save the weight from the batteries and electrics.
Would probably be a much better car to drive than all that extra weight for an occasional power boost of 10 seconds.

[cerb4.5lee]

Terminator X said:

TeaVR said:

BMWs have been sounding crap for a while now (fake engine noises and fart fart fart bang exhausts), but the outgoing C63 (w205) still sounds epic - so it's a massive downgrade to a 4 pot.

Actually surprised they didn't go fully elecric.

M3cs sounds great although 2018 car so 4 years ago now. OPF's have killed off the sound in pretty much all cars however Merc seemed to have evaded that somehow when they had the V8 which I guess is why most of us are sad.

TX.

I will admit that I occasionally feel sad about the lack of noise with the OPF's in the F82 M4. I really like the rest of the car though. Plus I'm fortunate to have the 370Z as well...and that has a mega loud exhaust on it thankfully!

[GTRene]

Axe wound said:

pfff thanks







now I have to look again to that ad with such 507 station AMG car, its more then double the price of a normal AMG station C63 and come's in the AMG GT-S range for price, those GT-S cars are I guess about 100-150kg lighter? same-ish hp but then from the 4.0 biturbo, and body made of alu?

so... what is more to like at say the same price, a 507 C63 special NA or a younger and lighter AMG GT-S but not NA but I guess with a faster gearbox, both a automatic.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

GTRene said:

pfff thanks







now I have to look again to that ad with such 507 station AMG car, its more then double the price of a normal AMG station C63 and come's in the AMG GT-S range for price, those GT-S cars are I guess about 100-150kg lighter? same-ish hp but then from the 4.0 biturbo, and body made of alu?

so... what is more to like at say the same price, a 507 C63 special NA or a younger and lighter AMG GT-S but not NA but I guess with a faster gearbox, both a automatic.

They're totally different cars. If it were a fun car for driving, then I'd suspect the AMG GT-S. Daily driver.....C63.

[Niponeoff]

Having owned a recent facelift S with all the bells and whistles, I loved the tech in it. But it was all about that V8 and losing it is tragic. I replaced it with a 4 cylinder GLB35, which is a better family car that the wife can drive and fit us all in, but I don't go out for "drives" in it. No soul, no drama and no fizz.

I think the W205 is going to be the one to have. I miss it.

[AppleJuice]

Why not put a tweaked M256 in instead with a straight-six howl, harking back to the W201 C36 AMG?

Well done Mat Watson in grilling Mercedes in his review.

[AppleJuice]

TeaVR said:

Actually surprised they didn't go fully elecric.

Misread as fully erotic

[Blue383]

Mercutio said:

Sometimes it's not just about power. About 0-60, about speeds, about where that power is deployed.

It's about a feeling, a kind of shiver and fear and excitement when an engine starts, the wide eyed look when the power starts to come on, the noise, the sheer visceral connection.

That is genuinely what a good V8 does for me. And what I fear will inevitably be lost here.

That doesn't mean I don't care about it, that I don't care about the planet etc. I just know what I want, won't come from this powerplant and setup.

Good luck to Merc, good luck to all buyers. It's surely a great car, but it's not my car.

Couldn’t put it any better than this.

[JAMSXR]

Terminator X said:

TeaVR said:

BMWs have been sounding crap for a while now (fake engine noises and fart fart fart bang exhausts), but the outgoing C63 (w205) still sounds epic - so it's a massive downgrade to a 4 pot.

Actually surprised they didn't go fully elecric.

M3cs sounds great although 2018 car so 4 years ago now. OPF's have killed off the sound in pretty much all cars however Merc seemed to have evaded that somehow when they had the V8 which I guess is why most of us are sad.

TX.

It still sounds good but the >2018 model has speaker noise pumped into the cabin to make up for the OPFs.

[barrycoupe]

Oh dear, oh dear. What a complete waste of time! Too heavy, incorporating unnecessary tech to create a bemoth. The problem is that electrification, reductions in CO2, and other regulations lead to the creation of complex cars like this. The Germans love challenges like this, and endow their cars with unnecessary tech. If you are really looking for the last hurrah in performance saloons, just buy an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio. The Italians certainly know what true enthusiasts want. The AMG and the latest M3/4 just can’t compete as a drivers car……if you buy the German cars, you aren’t really a petrol head, only after the bling of superfluous technology!

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

otolith said:

Julian Scott said:

I agree, except it isn't 680BHP apart from the first 10 seconds. Then it's 476bhp with a limited boost option up to about 580bhp, which in a 2.1 tonne car, will likely be slower than a 500bhp 1700/1800kg M3/RS4

To be fair, opportunities to use full power for more than 10 seconds at a time will be limited.

Obviously Mercedes have thought of it, but what about charging "in between"? So let's say you're on a single carriageway stuck behind people. You bury your foot for 3-4 seconds to overtake someone then carry on, get caught up behind someone else, then do another overtake, and repeat 3-4 times. Does it charge in between (I assume this uses fuel??) or does it only charge under braking? I wonder how long it can be 680bhp for? Laps around a track (not that that really matters for this car for most owners - I appreciate some will be tracked).

Maybe I'm getting old (at 33) but I just don't see the appeal in a 2 tonne almost 700bhp "small" sports saloon. I find nothing wrong with a 2+ tonne almost 700bhp S Class that is very quiet and comfortable. Adding weight can often mean the car feels more remote, more luxurious (when that weight is made of finer, heavier materials), but when it is meant to be a car to ENJOY driving, I see no appeal. I think I'd rather than an M3. Having seen a couple of them about now the grille is actually growing on me, believe it or not!

[AmyRichardson]

AppleJuice said:

Why not put a tweaked M256 in instead with a straight-six howl, harking back to the W201 C36 AMG?

Well done Mat Watson in grilling Mercedes in his review.

The current C-Class is 4-pot-only design (yay, 'premium' how?) which is disappointing with regard to the M256.

It's equally disappointing that that engine is AMG-only (with red seatbelts & stitching, which a lot of grown adults don't de-spec - the mind boggles) in the E-Class ; considering that it's supposed to combine power, excellent refinement and surprisingly good economy, it would made a lovely E400/500 option (for me to buy second hand in a year or two...)

[delta0]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

otolith said:

Julian Scott said:

I agree, except it isn't 680BHP apart from the first 10 seconds. Then it's 476bhp with a limited boost option up to about 580bhp, which in a 2.1 tonne car, will likely be slower than a 500bhp 1700/1800kg M3/RS4

To be fair, opportunities to use full power for more than 10 seconds at a time will be limited.

Obviously Mercedes have thought of it, but what about charging "in between"? So let's say you're on a single carriageway stuck behind people. You bury your foot for 3-4 seconds to overtake someone then carry on, get caught up behind someone else, then do another overtake, and repeat 3-4 times. Does it charge in between (I assume this uses fuel??) or does it only charge under braking? I wonder how long it can be 680bhp for? Laps around a track (not that that really matters for this car for most owners - I appreciate some will be tracked).

Maybe I'm getting old (at 33) but I just don't see the appeal in a 2 tonne almost 700bhp "small" sports saloon. I find nothing wrong with a 2+ tonne almost 700bhp S Class that is very quiet and comfortable. Adding weight can often mean the car feels more remote, more luxurious (when that weight is made of finer, heavier materials), but when it is meant to be a car to ENJOY driving, I see no appeal. I think I'd rather than an M3. Having seen a couple of them about now the grille is actually growing on me, believe it or not!

After the burst of acceleration you are going to have to lift off and that’s when it will charge.

[ZX10R NIN]

It's very simple something like buying a SL/CLK/C55/63/GranTurismo/E500 (in my case) is an emotional decision helped by the the aural & visceral experience those engines added to the car, a 2.0 four pot turbo just can't (despite making similar power & more) do that.

Also why would anyone (they will) buy the more complicated 63 when you can get the 43 which will be lighter, not much slower & with mods has proven it can run at 550bhp reliably.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

delta0 said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

otolith said:

Julian Scott said:

I agree, except it isn't 680BHP apart from the first 10 seconds. Then it's 476bhp with a limited boost option up to about 580bhp, which in a 2.1 tonne car, will likely be slower than a 500bhp 1700/1800kg M3/RS4

To be fair, opportunities to use full power for more than 10 seconds at a time will be limited.

Obviously Mercedes have thought of it, but what about charging "in between"? So let's say you're on a single carriageway stuck behind people. You bury your foot for 3-4 seconds to overtake someone then carry on, get caught up behind someone else, then do another overtake, and repeat 3-4 times. Does it charge in between (I assume this uses fuel??) or does it only charge under braking? I wonder how long it can be 680bhp for? Laps around a track (not that that really matters for this car for most owners - I appreciate some will be tracked).

Maybe I'm getting old (at 33) but I just don't see the appeal in a 2 tonne almost 700bhp "small" sports saloon. I find nothing wrong with a 2+ tonne almost 700bhp S Class that is very quiet and comfortable. Adding weight can often mean the car feels more remote, more luxurious (when that weight is made of finer, heavier materials), but when it is meant to be a car to ENJOY driving, I see no appeal. I think I'd rather than an M3. Having seen a couple of them about now the grille is actually growing on me, believe it or not!

After the burst of acceleration you are going to have to lift off and that’s when it will charge.

Thanks. If it charges when you are not braking, but purely lifting off, I assume this must be regenerative braking (therefore will slow the car down more than just lifting off the throttle in a normal ICE car would?

[otolith]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

Obviously Mercedes have thought of it, but what about charging "in between"? So let's say you're on a single carriageway stuck behind people. You bury your foot for 3-4 seconds to overtake someone then carry on, get caught up behind someone else, then do another overtake, and repeat 3-4 times. Does it charge in between (I assume this uses fuel??) or does it only charge under braking? I wonder how long it can be 680bhp for? Laps around a track (not that that really matters for this car for most owners - I appreciate some will be tracked).

It’s going to charge all the time it’s not discharging or fully charged, I expect, not just under regeneration. I would expect it has some graphic to illustrate that, like the one you watch from the back seat in an Uber Prius

[jjdw33]

ChocolateFrog said:

Yex GTR said:

As I said in the other thread full power is only available when the battery is fully charged and that won't be as often as the owners want it to be.

Likely to see a lot available on the second hand market when the initial hype drops off and reality sets in.

Looks like it. After 10 seconds it would seem you lose about half the motor hp so around 100hp down and then whatever's left of the 6.1kwh battery putting out 70kw for the other 100hp. At a guess maybe 5 miles? and you're down to a 480hp car until it regens.

I've probably read it wrong.

Not convinced as well.
Its just about the numbers to impress.
In 10sec its down, in few miles more down(but still for sure very capable).
8 miles of electric range, which will be as you say probably closer to 5.
WTF?
Saving weight on battery size, to end on 2150kg...
This is, we have restrictions, so lets build around and see what we get.
No matter if that makes sense or not.
My money would go into an oldschool v8 c-class t-model and a new ev as daily

[otolith]

I doubt that the engine takes very long to get the battery back up to full charge. The plug-in aspect seems pretty much irrelevant except for regulatory purposes.

[barrycoupe]

When are you guys going to get the message. It’s an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio you should be Raving about. All the things you criticise about Mercs and BM’s don’t happen on the Alfa. Lighter, quicker steering, more alive, better handling, and yes, a Ferrari engine. What’s not to like!