Discussion
BS62 said:
Based on this part of their website , where step 1 of deflating an SUV tyre is: "Locate an SUV. In towns and cities, you won’t have to walk far to find one. Target posh / middle-class areas." it's got f
k all to do with the climate and everything to do with being a nasty, classist, spiteful, envious prick.
Wouldn't it be an awful thing if they got the locality wrong and picked on a gangstas Audi Q7/RR, bags i a ringside seat.k all to do with the climate and everything to do with being a nasty, classist, spiteful, envious prick.
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I don't know what Phers you are talking about but perhaps you should just say who you mean as I don't see it.
It's just 10+ years of observation on PH. Posters often throw around 'bitterness', 'jealousy', 'nasty' etc when they perceive that their choices are being criticised. It almost always turns up in threads about SUVs.nickfrog said:
Where does excessive/conspicuous consumption start in your view?
It doesn't matter what I think. I doubt the tyre extinguishers are targeting lots of 1.5t crossovers like Qashquais and Karoqs. Maybe the occasional one if they can't find a Cayenne/RR/X5/X7 etc. Smint said:
BS62 said:
Based on this part of their website , where step 1 of deflating an SUV tyre is: "Locate an SUV. In towns and cities, you won’t have to walk far to find one. Target posh / middle-class areas." it's got fk all to do with the climate and everything to do with being a nasty, classist, spiteful, envious prick.
Wouldn't it be an awful thing if they got the locality wrong and picked on a gangstas Audi Q7/RR, bags i a ringside seat.k all to do with the climate and everything to do with being a nasty, classist, spiteful, envious prick.s, well, they deserve to meet a gruesome end, perhaps by being tied between two Q7s before they each drive away in opposite directions.I do look forward to reading the news article where they've unwittingly targeted the local nutjob's car and been caught at it...
Edited by Jonny_ on Saturday 24th September 08:32
I don’t mind SUVs although never owned one. For everyday driving the handling characteristics are not that important. I would prefer a FFRR and probably would drive it lazily. Those are great comfortable cars.
What I do mind is (normally) women driving these big cars and having no spatial awareness, driving in an arrogant manner and really messing up the traffic on the school run. These and the aggressive man driving it’s big SUV in the motorway at insane speeds and tail gating. tts will be tts!!
It just happens the ones driving a SUV are more conspicuous.
Good choice OP, enjoy it, drive it reasonably it will be fine…
What I do mind is (normally) women driving these big cars and having no spatial awareness, driving in an arrogant manner and really messing up the traffic on the school run. These and the aggressive man driving it’s big SUV in the motorway at insane speeds and tail gating. t
ts will be tts!!It just happens the ones driving a SUV are more conspicuous.
Good choice OP, enjoy it, drive it reasonably it will be fine…
Joey Deacon said:
I have never driven one and I live in Greater London with no driveway. Isn't it a constant pain in the arse owning one, trying to find somewhere to park it and driving down congested narrow roads?
I live in Greater London and haven't found parking or narrow streets a problem. I used to have an XK8, which appears smaller, but is longer and wider than a Range Rover.I quite like SUVs and have found driving in London to be easy. and long distance Euro trips, loaded up with stuff, are far more comfortable and relaxing.
I'll even take things up a notch, as I have a hybrid, and will admit to preferring the smoothness and immediate response from the eCVT to a traditional automatic transmission
QJumper said:
They don't slash the tyres, they jam something in the valve, to let the air out. Annoying s, but no damage.
Well, not until you drive off without noticing and destroy the tyre. A completely deflated tyre can destroy itself within a meter if the rim pinches the sidewall the wrong way. s, but no damage.phazed said:
Happily retired now and don’t do much in the way of mileage hence my daily vehicle of choice.
I’ve had five discoveries in the past. Brilliant for work and family of six. Don’t need that at all now so bought myself a nice Rangie P38, that, “I“ really enjoy driving sedately. Does everything I need, even takes in the odd green lane.
My wife loves it and of course it has a 4.6 L engine.
It’s not green but then on the other hand if I bought a new green vehicle it will have to be built. I keep this running perfectly and it puts a smile on my face whenever I see it parked up.
Not bothered what anyone else thinks.
Lovely looking car in a great colour I’ve had five discoveries in the past. Brilliant for work and family of six. Don’t need that at all now so bought myself a nice Rangie P38, that, “I“ really enjoy driving sedately. Does everything I need, even takes in the odd green lane.
My wife loves it and of course it has a 4.6 L engine.
It’s not green but then on the other hand if I bought a new green vehicle it will have to be built. I keep this running perfectly and it puts a smile on my face whenever I see it parked up.
Not bothered what anyone else thinks.
Drove a few of them years ago, mostly 4.0 ones though and the odd 2.5D
Excellent way to waft around with a lovely soundtrack
Congratulations
mat205125 said:
At the risk of sounding like a stereotypical SUV driver, but "who cares what other people think?"
I've had my X5 for over 8 years, and honestly can't think of a better solution for my day to day needs ..... the fact its older, less expensive, and has a few war wounds just makes it even more perfect for daily duties.
It's a licence protecting cruiser, a transcontinental comfy barge, a stable tow workhorse, a load lugging tip trip refuse disposal vessel, and a horrible weather dream.
If someone wants to criticise my "planet killing" choice, whilst renting a disposable white good every third year, then so be it.
I'm at 215k miles at the moment, and no way I'm getting rid of it before it's hit 250k
I’ve had my X3 for nearly 8 years now, I’d echo all the above although I’ve nowhere near that mileage on it !I've had my X5 for over 8 years, and honestly can't think of a better solution for my day to day needs ..... the fact its older, less expensive, and has a few war wounds just makes it even more perfect for daily duties.
It's a licence protecting cruiser, a transcontinental comfy barge, a stable tow workhorse, a load lugging tip trip refuse disposal vessel, and a horrible weather dream.
If someone wants to criticise my "planet killing" choice, whilst renting a disposable white good every third year, then so be it.
I'm at 215k miles at the moment, and no way I'm getting rid of it before it's hit 250k
Would struggle to replace it .. it just does everything so well
Limpet said:
Just bought my first one - a 2011 XC90 D5
I really quite like it. It's a very soothing thing to drive. You quickly realise you're never racing anyone in it, and you're never going to drive it with anything approaching enthusiasm, so it calms you down as soon as you get in it.
I even like the high seating position
Same as my own particular family wagon of choice, albeit mine’s even older as a 2007. It’s by far and away the most comfortable and relaxing car I’ve owned, and just so good for family duties.I really quite like it. It's a very soothing thing to drive. You quickly realise you're never racing anyone in it, and you're never going to drive it with anything approaching enthusiasm, so it calms you down as soon as you get in it.
I even like the high seating position
Main highlights for me are:
- Seats 6 and 7 are a real bonus for when friends or cousins jump in
- There’s room for the dog
- It regularly transports us all to the other end of the country and back with no fuss
- Fuel consumption isn’t desperately bad given it weighs well over 2 tonnes, averaging about 31MPG. (my old ML55 used a little bit more!
)- It stops me losing my licence, as nothing feels like being in too much of a rush for when you’re driving it (the exact opposite of my R53 GP, which turns you into a little devil!)
- Absolutely zero grief from other drivers, although that might be because the old bus just cannot do “OUT OF MY LANE NOW OIK!!!” like some other more modern SUVs
Plus there’s little in the way of depreciation as a bonus! Great car
Had my 2008 Cayenne S from new and sold it to neighbour after 300,000km. Rock solid and very reliable. Replaced it with a 2022 Cayenne GTS, which is superb so far. Used for towing, off-roading, large dog transport, deep winter snow and desert heat. I have other cars but this is the most essential one.
3rd day of SUV ownership and I'm smitten so far.....fabulous car.
First thoughts.
Jekyll & Hyde personality. Comfortable cruiser and lovely to waft around in, but then push on and it's a fire breather with a soundtrack to match.
Handling is surprisingly good, especially in Dynamic. It's no Elise, but minimal roll and hides it's bulk well.
Exhaust note is probably just right. Addictively growly with exhaust button active, both grumbly at low speeds and a roar at higher speed, but in 'normal' it's present rather than intrusive, close to silent at 70 (ish) on the motorway too.
Feels like a bigger car than it is, solidity and refinement that feels a level above a GLE/X5 rather than a level beneath.
No sign of SUV Hatred in the real world either, few surprised looks when the engine note is heard.
Fuel consumption (OBC) ranged from 32mpg on a run to show the parents (45 miles e/w, mix of A-roads & motorway) down to 9 mpg (cold engine 3 mile round trip doing the school run driving for audible enjoyment rather than fuel efficiency ;-) )
Pivi is great, very user intuitive.
And did I mention the soundtrack??
First thoughts.
Jekyll & Hyde personality. Comfortable cruiser and lovely to waft around in, but then push on and it's a fire breather with a soundtrack to match.
Handling is surprisingly good, especially in Dynamic. It's no Elise, but minimal roll and hides it's bulk well.
Exhaust note is probably just right. Addictively growly with exhaust button active, both grumbly at low speeds and a roar at higher speed, but in 'normal' it's present rather than intrusive, close to silent at 70 (ish) on the motorway too.
Feels like a bigger car than it is, solidity and refinement that feels a level above a GLE/X5 rather than a level beneath.
No sign of SUV Hatred in the real world either, few surprised looks when the engine note is heard.
Fuel consumption (OBC) ranged from 32mpg on a run to show the parents (45 miles e/w, mix of A-roads & motorway) down to 9 mpg (cold engine 3 mile round trip doing the school run driving for audible enjoyment rather than fuel efficiency ;-) )
Pivi is great, very user intuitive.
And did I mention the soundtrack??
I never understand the 'I hate SUVs', Its like saying I hate all saloon cars, or all convertibles. Most of the so called SUVs are actually crossovers not SUVs at all. Like any car type, I like some and don't particularly like others. There are some fantastic well thought out SUVs on the market that ate capable of all sorts, others are vulgar trinkets. Love them or hate them SUVs and crossovers are hear to stay.
I prefer a fast estate to an SUV, but you do you.
My only concern is the sheer size of these things and the fact the majority seem to be driven by people who are scared of getting within two feet of the kerb so they sit aloft in their giant boxes careering along a foot over the centre line so you end of having to take evasive action!
My only concern is the sheer size of these things and the fact the majority seem to be driven by people who are scared of getting within two feet of the kerb so they sit aloft in their giant boxes careering along a foot over the centre line so you end of having to take evasive action!
It depends on how you say suv for me, the crossover bunch are nteresting useful for older generations and parents.
That being said a number of them are driven badly with little regard for other road users.
The flawed ones are mostly the former hatchback platforms jacked up though, hard suspension and ride poorly as a result.
DBX 707 I drove recently was awesome though!
That being said a number of them are driven badly with little regard for other road users.
The flawed ones are mostly the former hatchback platforms jacked up though, hard suspension and ride poorly as a result.
DBX 707 I drove recently was awesome though!
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