RE: Long goodbye for iconic TT | PH Footnote
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Had a Mk1 back in the 2004 when I was young. I absolutely loved the looks of them and it felt special to me driving round in it. I knew it wasn't the last word in dynamics, but I didn't really care. It was fast enough, looked great and was a nice thing to own.
It was second hand to me (2 years old), and I can't really remember anything that was a direct competitor. The 350z had just come out so wasn't really a used option. I also looked at 320 coupes but the TT just felt more special by comparison. Maybe an S2000, but I don't remember that getting a look in at the time. Perhaps also a bit more expensive? I didn't really need back seats, so it wasn't that.
Anyway, the mk1 remains a design icon for me. Sad to see the brand disappear.
It was second hand to me (2 years old), and I can't really remember anything that was a direct competitor. The 350z had just come out so wasn't really a used option. I also looked at 320 coupes but the TT just felt more special by comparison. Maybe an S2000, but I don't remember that getting a look in at the time. Perhaps also a bit more expensive? I didn't really need back seats, so it wasn't that.
Anyway, the mk1 remains a design icon for me. Sad to see the brand disappear.
The mk1 is a design classic, and all but the most pampered are almost worthless today. If I were ever going to scratch a TT itch, a reasonable mk1 225 coupe is where my money would go.
Audi's styling has become almost a caricature of itself over the past 20 years, and the evolution of the TT is a great illustration of it. The current ones look horribly fussy and over-done compared to the mk1.
Audi's styling has become almost a caricature of itself over the past 20 years, and the evolution of the TT is a great illustration of it. The current ones look horribly fussy and over-done compared to the mk1.
Looks nice that, pricey and well out of my window but you'd be happy with it i bet.
However i have just added to my fleet at the weekend with a mk1 225 TT for winter. Have to say despite a few passenger rides many years ago, not actually driven one until now. Tidy little car, and i wonder why they are so cheap as even standard the 225 is brisk and at 20yrs old it feels well put together. I spent £1400 and that got a 1yr MOT'd 130k car with full history. will chuck few quid on odds and sods to bring it up to 100% but i can;t see why they got so much hate. I assume its another Jeremy clarkson thing.
i have a list of mates who have shotgun it once i decide to move it on in a few months, do yoursefl a favour and go try the old TT, its a dam site more fun a boring hatch ( and i only ever really buy hot hatches myself)
However i have just added to my fleet at the weekend with a mk1 225 TT for winter. Have to say despite a few passenger rides many years ago, not actually driven one until now. Tidy little car, and i wonder why they are so cheap as even standard the 225 is brisk and at 20yrs old it feels well put together. I spent £1400 and that got a 1yr MOT'd 130k car with full history. will chuck few quid on odds and sods to bring it up to 100% but i can;t see why they got so much hate. I assume its another Jeremy clarkson thing.
i have a list of mates who have shotgun it once i decide to move it on in a few months, do yoursefl a favour and go try the old TT, its a dam site more fun a boring hatch ( and i only ever really buy hot hatches myself)
Chrishum said:
I’ve been looking at MK2 TTs in various specs a lot lately. They seem good value versus similar spec VAG stuff but while I don’t need a big car I’m not sure if I could live with something so small all the time (I know the solution is multiple cars but that never feels affordable)
It depends what your personal circumstances/needs are obviously but I wouldn’t say they are ‘so small.’ If you need 4 seats more than occasionally and for long journeys then it’s out. If you don’t it’s very flexible, fold the rear seats down for crap for the tip run, suitcases etc.. they’re not the last word in driving pleasure but their I nice place to be, painless to own and relatively cheap to run. I’m on my 2nd MK2 TTS. 1st made way for a 981 Cayman S. That went and in came a 981 GT4 and another TTS for daily duties. As it doesn’t have to live up to high expectations it makes much more sense this time round… a fast sporty car.Edited by HighwayStar on Friday 25th November 14:50
2Btoo said:
The TT always struck me as being the worst of all worlds; all the compromises of a front-engined FWD platform plus all the compromises of a 2-seater sports car, with none of the advantages of either. Appealing only for fashion victims and those who MUST have an Audi badge at any cost (and £90k for a tarted-up compromised Golf is utter, utter lunacy).
Not for me, thanks. Not now, not ever.
Ok I’ll bite. Not for me, thanks. Not now, not ever.
It’s 4wd haldex so unlike a FWD it will have traction off the line. Many you see for sale are often based in Scotland- one of the wettest parts of the UK so the Quattro obviously works.
The compromise against a 2 seater is that for its segment it has a massive boot- particularly with the seats down compared to a Cayman or MX-5…
They never made a Golf in the 2010s era with a 5 cylinder engine. So it’s not a tarted up Golf.
Nobody buys a TTRS because of the Audi badge. Otherwise they’d buy a TT S-line (nothing wrong with those either). They typically buy it because of the engine and because of its semi-practicality that it can be dailied if you don’t have kids and it covers ground blisteringly quick. £90k is a lot, but this is the final version. There are M4 special editions at not far off this price.
Work harder at your trolling.
I love my mk2 TT 2.0 Tfsi. Bought from an auction as a cat N write off (due to a dented 1/4 panel) it came with absolutely no history and 129k miles.
I appreciate the tarted up Golf comments, however the TT is actually a fun car. Plus a lot of it is aluminium and they dont suffer from rot like the Mk5's unfortunately are now. And that's coming from a very long term Mk5 Golf GTi owner.
My particular car has heated leather, xenons, parking sensors, it drives absolutely brilliantly, returns 40mpg and still owes me less than £1,700. I'd need double that to get back into a similar condition Mk5.
I appreciate the tarted up Golf comments, however the TT is actually a fun car. Plus a lot of it is aluminium and they dont suffer from rot like the Mk5's unfortunately are now. And that's coming from a very long term Mk5 Golf GTi owner.
My particular car has heated leather, xenons, parking sensors, it drives absolutely brilliantly, returns 40mpg and still owes me less than £1,700. I'd need double that to get back into a similar condition Mk5.
Russ_16v said:
I love my mk2 TT 2.0 Tfsi. Bought from an auction as a cat N write off (due to a dented 1/4 panel) it came with absolutely no history and 129k miles.
I appreciate the tarted up Golf comments, however the TT is actually a fun car. Plus a lot of it is aluminium and they dont suffer from rot like the Mk5's unfortunately are now. And that's coming from a very long term Mk5 Golf GTi owner.
My particular car has heated leather, xenons, parking sensors, it drives absolutely brilliantly, returns 40mpg and still owes me less than £1,700. I'd need double that to get back into a similar condition Mk5.
Cracking value that, can't really argue at that price point!I appreciate the tarted up Golf comments, however the TT is actually a fun car. Plus a lot of it is aluminium and they dont suffer from rot like the Mk5's unfortunately are now. And that's coming from a very long term Mk5 Golf GTi owner.
My particular car has heated leather, xenons, parking sensors, it drives absolutely brilliantly, returns 40mpg and still owes me less than £1,700. I'd need double that to get back into a similar condition Mk5.
pb8g09 said:
2Btoo said:
The TT always struck me as being the worst of all worlds; all the compromises of a front-engined FWD platform plus all the compromises of a 2-seater sports car, with none of the advantages of either. Appealing only for fashion victims and those who MUST have an Audi badge at any cost (and £90k for a tarted-up compromised Golf is utter, utter lunacy).
Not for me, thanks. Not now, not ever.
Ok I’ll bite. Not for me, thanks. Not now, not ever.
It’s 4wd haldex so unlike a FWD it will have traction off the line. Many you see for sale are often based in Scotland- one of the wettest parts of the UK so the Quattro obviously works.
The compromise against a 2 seater is that for its segment it has a massive boot- particularly with the seats down compared to a Cayman or MX-5…
They never made a Golf in the 2010s era with a 5 cylinder engine. So it’s not a tarted up Golf.
Nobody buys a TTRS because of the Audi badge. Otherwise they’d buy a TT S-line (nothing wrong with those either). They typically buy it because of the engine and because of its semi-practicality that it can be dailied if you don’t have kids and it covers ground blisteringly quick. £90k is a lot, but this is the final version. There are M4 special editions at not far off this price.
Work harder at your trolling.
Haldex is FWD based and as a system is inherently heavy and cumbersome - either factor in permanent AWD (which it can’t due to transverse engine) or make a fine handling FWD car (which it can’t because that’s not what Audi do).
Waffle about practicality - no one is overlooking the handling abilities of a Cayman or MX-5 to buy a TT for boot space - if that was a factor you’d buy something else. In other words it’s compromised.
Well, it is a Golf platform regardless of engine, so it kinda is a tarted up Golf.
I would wager a lot of people buy them because it’s an Audi, by definition of it selling well and having pretty universal mediocre abilities. Even the RS version they’ll buy the most expensive version, there will be exceptions but but I bet they’re in the minority.
Oh, and you’re not seriously comparing an M4 edition pricing to this?
As I say, try harder.
Charlie_1 said:
m assuming you think its 1955 ?
In May 2015 I bought a Ferrari 360 and paid £37k for it. In October 2015, I bought a Ferrari F430 and paid £50k for it. Both LHD, both imported by me. And both for £87k, funnily enough. The same price as this TT. Yes, I know some people will post and say they don't believe me, whatever; post away - I don't care.
That's two Ferraris, for the price of one TT - a mere seven years later. So, don't tell me £90k for a TT isn't a lot of money, because it is, no matter how you cut it.
cerb4.5lee said:
Wab1974uk said:
£90k for this is just silly though. Who is going to pay that?
At that money I'd be going in the direction of the G82 M4 xDrive instead. You can also get a base model Porsche 911 for that money too. £90k opens up a lot of options that are more appealing than a TT.
Jon556 said:
Hmm, I think you need to work harder on your retorts.
Haldex is FWD based and as a system is inherently heavy and cumbersome - either factor in permanent AWD (which it can’t due to transverse engine) or make a fine handling FWD car (which it can’t because that’s not what Audi do).
Waffle about practicality - no one is overlooking the handling abilities of a Cayman or MX-5 to buy a TT for boot space - if that was a factor you’d buy something else. In other words it’s compromised.
Well, it is a Golf platform regardless of engine, so it kinda is a tarted up Golf.
I would wager a lot of people buy them because it’s an Audi, by definition of it selling well and having pretty universal mediocre abilities. Even the RS version they’ll buy the most expensive version, there will be exceptions but but I bet they’re in the minority.
Oh, and you’re not seriously comparing an M4 edition pricing to this?
As I say, try harder.
I think your being quite ridiculous here. Haldex is FWD based and as a system is inherently heavy and cumbersome - either factor in permanent AWD (which it can’t due to transverse engine) or make a fine handling FWD car (which it can’t because that’s not what Audi do).
Waffle about practicality - no one is overlooking the handling abilities of a Cayman or MX-5 to buy a TT for boot space - if that was a factor you’d buy something else. In other words it’s compromised.
Well, it is a Golf platform regardless of engine, so it kinda is a tarted up Golf.
I would wager a lot of people buy them because it’s an Audi, by definition of it selling well and having pretty universal mediocre abilities. Even the RS version they’ll buy the most expensive version, there will be exceptions but but I bet they’re in the minority.
Oh, and you’re not seriously comparing an M4 edition pricing to this?
As I say, try harder.
I actually have to ask have you even driven the Audi TTRS?
Now to be completely realistic a similar mileage and age cayman with similar performance is going to be another £10-15K more expensive. No one is realistically spending £90K on these you be bonkers.
An MX-5 wouldn’t see what way one of these went and I highly doubt any potential TTRS driver is considering an MX5 due to the vast difference in performance and every day usability.
Now how a car that can do 0-60 in 3.7sec and can embarrass super cars point to point is mediocre I don’t know.
Only on Pistonheads could someone say a sports car being capable of driven year round due to AWD, outrun anything point to point, be comfortable, nice to look at, decent boot space and easy to drive be compromised.
Edited by CG2020UK on Friday 25th November 18:16
Edited by CG2020UK on Friday 25th November 18:17
SuffolkDefender said:
In May 2015 I bought a Ferrari 360 and paid £37k for it. In October 2015, I bought a Ferrari F430 and paid £50k for it. Both LHD, both imported by me. And both for £87k, funnily enough. The same price as this TT.
Yes, I know some people will post and say they don't believe me, whatever; post away - I don't care.
That's two Ferraris, for the price of one TT - a mere seven years later. So, don't tell me £90k for a TT isn't a lot of money, because it is, no matter how you cut it.
There's no denying that you got some good deals (I believe you), but comparing 2nd hand cars which have peaked regarding their depreciation (before the inevitable increase in Ferrari s/h value) against a brand new (full dealer price) car with no discounts is hardly a fair comparison. Yes, I know some people will post and say they don't believe me, whatever; post away - I don't care.
That's two Ferraris, for the price of one TT - a mere seven years later. So, don't tell me £90k for a TT isn't a lot of money, because it is, no matter how you cut it.
Feel free to add the cost of an extended manufacturer warranty, new clutch, new tyres (and any other consumables) to even start making it comparable to a new car and even then that's not factoring in reduced value of LHD cars in the UK, import VAT (if post-Brexit) and other charges.
My gripe with the cost of this particular TTRS is that it's over £20k more than a well spec'd RS3.
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