Vapes and Vauxhalls hatred
Discussion
Fermit said:
FiF said:
If a heroin addict really wants to get clean, they will do it. They might and probably will need help through certain stages, but they'll do it.
Can't give up smoking or vaping? Weakling. Yes I am being extremely unsympathetic over your supposed impossible 'plight'
As a stated before (and feel free to look it up for yourself) nicotine is fairly widely considered to be at least addictive as heroin, if not more so. So in light of the bold, why would a heroin addict probably need help, but not someone addicted to nicotine not? And please do highlight the post where I stated 'impossible'.Can't give up smoking or vaping? Weakling. Yes I am being extremely unsympathetic over your supposed impossible 'plight'
The physical, cognitive and life changing decision making functions as a consequence are not comparable, not even in the same town never mind street or page.
And as you've highlighted not actually using the word impossible that's tantamount to admitting it is possible,just that you choose not to. Which is your choice, true, will still be judged for it though. Tough tit.
You're just using that supposed addiction equivalence as a pathetic little crutch in justification for your habit. No truck with it. Be on your way, along with that cloud of whatever it is vapour if that keeps you happy.
FiF said:
Bull-shine.
The physical, cognitive and life changing decision making functions as a consequence are not comparable, not even in the same town never mind street or page.
And as you've highlighted not actually using the word impossible that's tantamount to admitting it is possible,just that you choose not to. Which is your choice, true, will still be judged for it though. Tough tit.
You're just using that supposed addiction equivalence as a pathetic little crutch in justification for your habit. No truck with it. Be on your way, along with that cloud of whatever it is vapour if that keeps you happy.
He's right though, nicotine is widely thought to be as addictive as both heroin and cocaine. You seem to be confusing the damage they do to your life (massive in the case of the Class As, negligible for many years with nicotine) with how difficult the substance itself is to give up (all fairly equal). The physical, cognitive and life changing decision making functions as a consequence are not comparable, not even in the same town never mind street or page.
And as you've highlighted not actually using the word impossible that's tantamount to admitting it is possible,just that you choose not to. Which is your choice, true, will still be judged for it though. Tough tit.
You're just using that supposed addiction equivalence as a pathetic little crutch in justification for your habit. No truck with it. Be on your way, along with that cloud of whatever it is vapour if that keeps you happy.
There are teams and reams of scientific study on this.
The thing is that I know many people who have given up and have never gone back.
Equally, I know people who have given up for months and months but then "choose" to take it up again, possibly because they start to put on weight etc.
If it was only nicotine, you can buy patches that are going to be cheaper than fags at £14 a pack and don't require you to stand outside in the rain (usually around busy entrances to pubs).
The mystery about vapes is that cigarettes used to be portrayed as "cool" in films with Hollywood perpetrating that myth. Vapes look about as cool as a kid sucking a lolly but smelling worse.
This behaviour has rapidly become a social norm and many serial vapists only vape so they can do it inside. Banning it inside would probably help quell this fashionable nonsense.
Obviously the great thing about my Vauxhall is that I paid for it and tax and insure it, using all the money I never spent on nicotine.
Equally, I know people who have given up for months and months but then "choose" to take it up again, possibly because they start to put on weight etc.
If it was only nicotine, you can buy patches that are going to be cheaper than fags at £14 a pack and don't require you to stand outside in the rain (usually around busy entrances to pubs).
The mystery about vapes is that cigarettes used to be portrayed as "cool" in films with Hollywood perpetrating that myth. Vapes look about as cool as a kid sucking a lolly but smelling worse.
This behaviour has rapidly become a social norm and many serial vapists only vape so they can do it inside. Banning it inside would probably help quell this fashionable nonsense.
Obviously the great thing about my Vauxhall is that I paid for it and tax and insure it, using all the money I never spent on nicotine.
FiF said:
In part yes, by association, plus the voluminous clouds of whatever. It's just an opinion.
Also you cite getting rid of nicotine, but there are increasing numbers of schoolkids admitting they are addicted to the vapes containing nicotine. Some of them deliver very high levels, extremely addictive. By you vaping you are indirectly encouraging others into a habit which also leads to addiction and littering.
No tars etc but if you want to quit then just effing quit. Easy for me to say, admittedly, having never started. Used to drink, not doing me any good, so quit. Just did it, no ooh I have to have alcohol free or low alcohol, made the decision, bosh.
So opinion unchanged. Sorry. Incidentally was introduced to the term vape w
ker after hearing it used by a number others, so not just me then.
Most vapers don't use vapes that put out "voluminous clouds". These are mostly high wattage devices and users of these don't even include nicotine in their juice because its for a totally different reason they vape.Also you cite getting rid of nicotine, but there are increasing numbers of schoolkids admitting they are addicted to the vapes containing nicotine. Some of them deliver very high levels, extremely addictive. By you vaping you are indirectly encouraging others into a habit which also leads to addiction and littering.
No tars etc but if you want to quit then just effing quit. Easy for me to say, admittedly, having never started. Used to drink, not doing me any good, so quit. Just did it, no ooh I have to have alcohol free or low alcohol, made the decision, bosh.
So opinion unchanged. Sorry. Incidentally was introduced to the term vape w
ker after hearing it used by a number others, so not just me then.School kids would have been addicted to cigarettes in previous years, having them addicted to vapes instead is a much lesser evil and one that can easily be remiedied due to the fact its possible to buy concentrated nicotine and add you own amount to shelf bought juice to help lower your consumption gradually to nothing (like I did 6-7 years ago)
"just quit" is as stupid an argument as saying "just put up with it" to you. Some people vape solely to quit smoking but others just enjoy the ritualistic breathing pattern or flavours or whatever. It's just like having a pint or a donut or a good shag. Ok we will try not to blow it directly in your face any more than we'd chuck a pint in your face or bend the missus over the nearest bar stool as that's just rude (in most cases)
Most of my vapes hardly emit anything visible, some literally nothing visible at all and is lab tested to show any nasties are non existant. Did you know that one of the two major chemicals that make up vape juice (PG) is an effective germicide? Your breath is likely far more offensive than mine to a layman blindfolded observer or scientific test.
The tailpipe of cars that go past your house are having a much bigger effect but because you don't see those you go after the mostly harmless elf bars.
You talk about addiction while you near your 43k post on PistonHeads (That's 6 posts a day for 20 years) and assign people the title "vape w
kers" like you are the arbiter of what's decent and accepted. Based on this I can't imagine you have had enough people around you at any one time for vaping to have been an issue honestly.
Hugo Stiglitz said:
A vauxhall I can abide but not vaping or smoking. You wouldn't go into a chemical factory and breath deep in any vapours present so why do it in your home, car, work, bed.
What an odd argument. "You wouldn't breathe go to a factory and breathe in chlorine gas so why would you breathe in vg/pg vapour?" I know you've not serious but that's like saying you wouldn't go into a petrol station and down liters of biofuel so why would you drink vodka?
As an aside people do go and huff big amounts of vape chemicals in the form of smoke machines at partys and concerts* and they don't get all angry that some b
ds gone and ruined their beautiful clean air. -*they are a thing for people with social lives and friends. You know... Friends? They are people that want to spend time with you. No? Ahh forget it.
Edited by 457892345 on Sunday 19th March 13:08
FiF said:
Bull-shine.
The physical, cognitive and life changing decision making functions as a consequence are not comparable, not even in the same town never mind street or page.
And as you've highlighted not actually using the word impossible that's tantamount to admitting it is possible,just that you choose not to. Which is your choice, true, will still be judged for it though. Tough tit.
You're just using that supposed addiction equivalence as a pathetic little crutch in justification for your habit. No truck with it. Be on your way, along with that cloud of whatever it is vapour if that keeps you happy.
Wow, what a nasty piece of work you are.The physical, cognitive and life changing decision making functions as a consequence are not comparable, not even in the same town never mind street or page.
And as you've highlighted not actually using the word impossible that's tantamount to admitting it is possible,just that you choose not to. Which is your choice, true, will still be judged for it though. Tough tit.
You're just using that supposed addiction equivalence as a pathetic little crutch in justification for your habit. No truck with it. Be on your way, along with that cloud of whatever it is vapour if that keeps you happy.
LuS1fer said:
The mystery about vapes is that cigarettes used to be portrayed as "cool" in films with Hollywood perpetrating that myth. Vapes look about as cool as a kid sucking a lolly but smelling worse.
Not aimed at you, because it's been mentioned numerous times, but I'm never under any illusion that my device makes me look cool. Wacky Racer said:
Vauxhall's have always had a bum rap on here since the year dot....very strange.
I have had around six new ones, and three or four second hand ones, never had a bit of trouble....always good service from the dealers etc.
Can't comment on the other as i have never smoked,
The only part of an Insignia that I didn't like when I hired one was the bizarre cup holder placement... you couldn't get a cup in and shift gear otherwise it was a comfy and capable mile muncher that did 700miles in a weekend for me. I have had around six new ones, and three or four second hand ones, never had a bit of trouble....always good service from the dealers etc.
Can't comment on the other as i have never smoked,
KurtFlew said:
I've got a 2013 Vivaro works van, it's on 115k...of which 70k is what I've done and it's never had a single problem. Gearbox is a bit loose now but it's been great.
I have a better opinion of someone driving an Insignia than one of the German rental companies.
There's an eBay fix for Vivaro linkages. Cheap too.I have a better opinion of someone driving an Insignia than one of the German rental companies.
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