Vapes and Vauxhalls hatred

[Missy Charm]

forzaminardi said:

Vauxhall should bring out a special edition Corsa "Vape".

Rover have already beaten them to it, albeit their special edition was called 'K Series'...

[LuS1fer]

Fermit said:

lord trumpton said:

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Vapes? I don't fancy COPD in 10yrs time.

Its OK the NHS will look after you FOC along with all the other selfish space takers like the obese folk

Except, unlike obese people I've paid 10's of thousands of tax over the years for the privilege of my vice.

How do you know? Plenty of obese people work. Indeed many are obese because they live the high life off their earnings.

Just because you pay to support a free NHS doesn't mean you should expect preferential treatment for an avoidable disease. If we are to maintain a free NHS, people need to change their lifestyle choices.

[Fermit]

LuS1fer said:

How do you know? Plenty of obese people work. Indeed many are obese because they live the high life off their earnings.

Just because you pay to support a free NHS doesn't mean you should expect preferential treatment for an avoidable disease. If we are to maintain a free NHS, people need to change their lifestyle choices.

And plenty of smokers/ vapers work. I fail to see your point. At one point when I smoked, when cigarettes cost around £8/20 the cigarettes in isolation cost around 20p to buy. The rest was taxation. That was near as damn it 97% tax. I'm not sure what taxation is on all sorts of junk food, but it sure as hell won't be 97%. I never mentioned preferential treatment, but I would expect equal.

[carreauchompeur]

I drove a 2011 Insignia and an 2012 Corsa a while back for work. And a 2022 Crossland recently as a hire car.

They were all utterly dogst. I mean, probably base spec and st engines, but dogst none the less.

[otolith]

LuS1fer said:

If we are to maintain a free NHS, people need to change their lifestyle choices.

That's the tail wagging the dog, and a very slippery slope to step onto.

[bodhi]

otolith said:

LuS1fer said:

If we are to maintain a free NHS, people need to change their lifestyle choices.

That's the tail wagging the dog, and a very slippery slope to step onto.

Yep, plus if we all quit smoking I'm pretty sure the NHS would miss that 11 or so a billion a year we're contributing to their budget.

[Marc p]

911Spanker said:

Marc p said:

wiliferus said:

Well timed thread this for me.

Currently looking at having to replace my trusty old V70 as my family is outgrowing it (and it’s coming towards end of life).

I need 7 seats. The market value between similar S-Maxs and Zafira Tourers is hard to ignore. Yes, the S-Max is applauded for its car like handling. But that’s about all it does over the Vauxhall, yet on the used market they demand about 20-25% more.
For the family bus that will be full of dirty football boots, bikes and general child grime, I don’t see the point in spending more.

I hesitated for a while as I too have been guilty of brand snobbery against Vx, but from an objective point of view, I now can’t look past them. I for one am quite grateful for the brand perception as it’s going to save me a bucket of cash.

I will soon be a man who is mocked on PH as I drive a Zafira Tourer. Apparently I will be angry and miserable due to vehicle. (Nothing could be further from the truth!).

And as an ex smoker, yes I vape. I shall delete my account asap

What about a an XC90 D5? 7 seats and still a Volvo.

Why do that? More complex, more expensive to buy and run etc. Zafira for me.

Ignoring the additional tech available and the build quality, it’s safety is unparalleled, the XC90 has literally had zero fatalities since it’s release in 2002, a car that’s been out over 20 years without being in a fatal accident is unprecedented, when it comes to Zafira fatalities………..not so impressive……

[Robmarriott]

I’ve had 39 cars including lot of Vauxhalls; 4 Corsas, a Nova, a Cavalier and an Insignia.The Insignia is by far the worst car I’ve ever owned, by a long margin.

[Pixelpeep Electric]

i took a company pool car (insignia turbo diesel) from Essex to newcastle and back a few years ago and thought it was pretty damn decent actually.

Also owned a 2 year old Astra H VXR back in the day.

Both ok cars.

Vapes are ok too.

That said...

If you drive an OLD, slightly battered vauxhall, with obvious signs of using it as a child wagon, which is modified any ANY way - you slip into council judgement.

If you have have been vaping for over a year and/or enjoy blowing plumes of strawberry smelling clouds out your mouth - you slip into council.

To be clear.

Vaping in order to give up smoking - Good.
Vaping for any other reason - council

Driving a vauxuall - Good
Driving an older/battered/modified/family wagon vauxhall - council.

all imo of course

[Marc p]

Robmarriott said:

I’ve had 39 cars including lot of Vauxhalls; 4 Corsas, a Nova, a Cavalier and an Insignia.The Insignia is by far the worst car I’ve ever owned, by a long margin.

Reminds me of my dad, he used to like his Vauxhalls and loved his Cavalier GSI, still speaks fondly about how good it was(that and he loved having a GSI as a company car back in the early 90s when spec levels were a big thing!). A few years ago he had an Insignia as a courtesy car and his thoughts matched yours, I remember him giving me a lift in it and the entire journey was a running commentary on how s**t it was.

[LuS1fer]

bodhi said:

otolith said:

LuS1fer said:

If we are to maintain a free NHS, people need to change their lifestyle choices.

That's the tail wagging the dog, and a very slippery slope to step onto.

Yep, plus if we all quit smoking I'm pretty sure the NHS would miss that 11 or so a billion a year we're contributing to their budget.

For all your extra tax, I imagine it would be far more expensive if you had to pay for it yourself? Depends how long you live, obviously.

2019/20 - There were 506,100 hospital admissions attributable to smoking, 10% higher than 2009/10 when it was 461,700
In 2019, 74,600 deaths attributable to smoking, a decrease of 3% from 2018 (77,000) and 9% from 2009 (82,000).

Additionally, according to ASH "New economic analysis of national data for ASH finds the cost of smoking to society is significantly higher than previous estimates have shown. Commissioned by charity Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) the new figures [1] published today [Thursday 13th January] show the cost of smoking to society totals £17.04bn for England each year. This compares to £12.5bn under the previous estimate.

Edited by LuS1fer on Monday 20th March 13:46

[Fermit]

Robmarriott said:

The Insignia is by far the worst car I’ve ever owned, by a long margin.

Genuienely curious, why?

[Missy Charm]

Marc p said:

911Spanker said:

Marc p said:

wiliferus said:

Well timed thread this for me.

Currently looking at having to replace my trusty old V70 as my family is outgrowing it (and it’s coming towards end of life).

I need 7 seats. The market value between similar S-Maxs and Zafira Tourers is hard to ignore. Yes, the S-Max is applauded for its car like handling. But that’s about all it does over the Vauxhall, yet on the used market they demand about 20-25% more.
For the family bus that will be full of dirty football boots, bikes and general child grime, I don’t see the point in spending more.

I hesitated for a while as I too have been guilty of brand snobbery against Vx, but from an objective point of view, I now can’t look past them. I for one am quite grateful for the brand perception as it’s going to save me a bucket of cash.

I will soon be a man who is mocked on PH as I drive a Zafira Tourer. Apparently I will be angry and miserable due to vehicle. (Nothing could be further from the truth!).

And as an ex smoker, yes I vape. I shall delete my account asap

What about a an XC90 D5? 7 seats and still a Volvo.

Why do that? More complex, more expensive to buy and run etc. Zafira for me.

Ignoring the additional tech available and the build quality, it’s safety is unparalleled, the XC90 has literally had zero fatalities since it’s release in 2002, a car that’s been out over 20 years without being in a fatal accident is unprecedented, when it comes to Zafira fatalities………..not so impressive……

That's somewhat unfair. Volvo have, according to the Auto Express article claiming no fatalities to which you presumably refer, sold 70,000 XC-90 cars in the UK: https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volvo/xc90/103233/no...

Peak registrations for the Vauxhall Zafira were 445,900 in 2014: https://www.statista.com/statistics/313310/vauxhal...

Given the car had already been on sale for fourteen years prior to that and remained available several years after, I think we can say that total sales figures for the Zafira are in excess of 700,000. That means ten times more Zafiras on the roads than XC-90s and potentially ten times more collisions. Perhaps even more than a tenfold increase in probability, given the Zafira's suitability for private hire work and corresponding milage increases.

The Volvo figure is impressive, but one has to consider it in context. Nobody's been killed in a crash involving John Dodd's 'The Beast' either, but that doesn't mean the car has an inherently safe design.

[bodhi]

LuS1fer said:

For all your extra tax, I imagine it would be far more expensive if you had to pay for it yourself? Depends how long you live, obviously.

2019/20 - There were 506,100 hospital admissions attributable to smoking, 10% higher than 2009/10 when it was 461,700
In 2019, 74,600 deaths attributable to smoking, a decrease of 3% from 2018 (77,000) and 9% from 2009 (82,000).

Additionally, according to ASH "New economic analysis of national data for ASH finds the cost of smoking to society is significantly higher than previous estimates have shown. Commissioned by charity Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) the new figures [1] published today [Thursday 13th January] show the cost of smoking to society totals £17.04bn for England each year. This compares to £12.5bn under the previous estimate.

Edited by LuS1fer on Monday 20th March 13:46

Ah ASH, that well known impartial organisation where the costs of smoking are concerned!

Anyway most analysis comparing the cost of treating smoking related diseases to the tax take shows smokers to be a massive net positive for the economy. They pay lots of tax and tend not to hang around for the really expensive EOL treatment that goes with Alzheimer's, Dementia etc.

It's fatties that cost the money, we smokers more than pay our way.

[Deranged Rover]

bodhi said:

Yep, plus if we all quit smoking I'm pretty sure the NHS would miss that 11 or so a billion a year we're contributing to their budget.

That's very selfless of you. I assume if I ever need a kidney or other major organ, I can cut out the middleman and come straight to you?

I don't want your lungs or heart, though - thanks all the same!

[bodhi]

Deranged Rover said:

That's very selfless of you. I assume if I ever need a kidney or other major organ, I can cut out the middleman and come straight to you?

I don't want your lungs or heart, though - thanks all the same!

Given I haven't used the NHS since about 2014 there are probably a couple of years back taxes you can allocate if you ever need a kidney.

You might have to get the organs from someone else though, as I'm still using mine.

Although my liver could probably split in two by now....

[Robmarriott]

Fermit said:

Robmarriott said:

The Insignia is by far the worst car I’ve ever owned, by a long margin.

Genuienely curious, why?

Seats were uncomfortable, brakes were poor, it was sluggish, the headlights were crap, visibility out the back was woeful, the engine was noisy, the interior plastics were pants, the boot was small for an estate and it was rubbish on fuel despite being a 2.0 diesel.

It had done 60k when I got it so it wasn’t exactly old and it was a good spec (SRi).

It’s difficult to explain exactly why it was so bad because it shouldn’t have been but it wasn’t even ‘ok’ at anything.

I would have considered myself a Vauxhall guy before but short of one stop-gap, family owned, emergency Corsa, I’ve never been back.

[Dog Star]

ColdoRS said:

What in the 39p energy drink is going on here.

Genuine

I need read no further.

[Xenoous]

This is the most council thread title I've read in a while. I've always enjoyed Fords, and would like another. I don't really get the hatred towards them, much the same as your stating with Vauxhalls. I don't actually have any negative feelings towards Vauxhalls other than the fact every one I've driven or been in has just appeared tremendously boring. As a white goods vehicle, perfectly adequate I'm sure.

Vaping is annoying... I occasionally buy a vape stick, so I'm part of the problem. I'm trying to stop though. Smoking is just bad form, wish I never started. Glad I have effectively quit outside of the occasional moment of madness when I pick up a vape.

[ArnageWRC]

Marc p said:

Driven many Vauxhalls, but apart from the vx220 and Monaco/VXR8, they haven’t released a decent car since the 90’s IMO. They gave us the Lotus Carlton, Astra GTE’s, Cavalier GSi’s, Manta GTEs, etc, now we just get a barrage of naff hatchbacks or soulless re-badged Buicks.

They also had some pretty decent competition cars, whether in rallying or Touring cars.....Chevette, Astra, Nova, Cavalier, Vectra, plus the Opel badged Ascona/ Manta 400.....A long time since they've bothered with motorsport either.