RE: 2023 BMW XM | PH Review
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Wololo said:
nickfrog said:
I certainly wouldn't call someone I don't know a bellend but each the their own I guess.
You can make some pretty fair assessments based on factors like an IG name in a rear window, or a BO55 license plate...nickfrog said:
pheonix478 said:
Tell that to the bellends driving round Miami with their Instagram names in the rear side windows. Every single one a BMW... yeah it's a real thing. The desperation for attention is real!
I can't remember noticing that there but tbh I wasn't looking for it. It wouldn't overly bother me if it were true, I certainly wouldn't call someone I don't know a bellend but each the their own I guess.nickfrog said:
Sure it is easy to fall into stereotypes and confirmation bias.
Conspicuous material consumption and overt narcissism isn't a stereotype. You're free to aspire to such things should you find that empowering. Others are free to find them repulsive. Good luck with the influencer career.nickfrog said:
I am pretty sure we know a little more about his actions and beliefs than we know about a random BMW driver in Miami with a sticker on his/her car. But you know that 
No, you specifically said: 'I certainly wouldn't call someone I don't know a bellend', so which is it? Yes, Putin was an extreme example, but you certainly don't need to 'know someone' to be able to conclude whether they are a 'bellend' or not. But you know that.
Arsecati said:
nickfrog said:
I am pretty sure we know a little more about his actions and beliefs than we know about a random BMW driver in Miami with a sticker on his/her car. But you know that
No, you specifically said: 'I certainly wouldn't call someone I don't know a bellend', so which is it? Yes, Putin was an extreme example, but you certainly don't need to 'know someone' to be able to conclude whether they are a 'bellend' or not. But you know that.
Now if Putin was driving around in Miami in a BMW with a sticker on it I am pretty sure that I could still say Putin is a bellend, but mostly because of his geopolitical stance rather than his choice of vehicle or sticker.
Edited by nickfrog on Monday 20th March 16:20
pheonix478 said:
nickfrog said:
pheonix478 said:
Tell that to the bellends driving round Miami with their Instagram names in the rear side windows. Every single one a BMW... yeah it's a real thing. The desperation for attention is real!
I can't remember noticing that there but tbh I wasn't looking for it. It wouldn't overly bother me if it were true, I certainly wouldn't call someone I don't know a bellend but each the their own I guess.GeeTeeBee said:
nickfrog said:
Sure it is easy to fall into stereotypes and confirmation bias.
Conspicuous material consumption and overt narcissism isn't a stereotype. You're free to aspire to such things should you find that empowering. Others are free to find them repulsive. Good luck with the influencer career.Edited by nickfrog on Monday 20th March 16:44
nickfrog said:
I am retired so I don't aspire to any careers. I think that past a Dacia who are all guilty of conspicuous material consumption. Where do you draw the line?
Everyone gets to draw the line wherever they want. My line is several parsecs short of this crass, attention seeking heap. More power to you if it resonates with your personality, though.GeeTeeBee said:
nickfrog said:
I am retired so I don't aspire to any careers. I think that past a Dacia who are all guilty of conspicuous material consumption. Where do you draw the line?
Everyone gets to draw the line wherever they want. My line is several parsecs short of this crass, attention seeking heap. More power to you if it resonates with your personality, though.I am simply finding it easy to accept that different people like different things and are on different budgets and I find it difficult to be intolerant and hateful and to make moral judgements about other people's consumption choices (particularly when I don't know them), when by and large we are all guilty. Live and let live.
Edited by nickfrog on Monday 20th March 16:43
As I've said before, I like it. By the way, I'm a middle aged school teacher with what most label left wing politics. I wear what I like and drive what I like and I'd have that over a new range rover or the like any day. I hardly fit the ostentatious attention seeker stereotype so many seem so keen to attribute. I'm sure everyone flinging that brand of mud has impeccable taste in everything and/or simply wear hair shorts and clogs whilst driving base Pandas everywhere because 'that's all you really need isn't it? '
biggbn said:
As I've said before, I like it. By the way, I'm a middle aged school teacher with what most label left wing politics. I wear what I like and drive what I like and I'd have that over a new range rover or the like any day. I hardly fit the ostentatious attention seeker stereotype so many seem so keen to attribute. I'm sure everyone flinging that brand of mud has impeccable taste in everything and/or simply wear hair shorts and clogs whilst driving base Pandas everywhere because 'that's all you really need isn't it? '
Whatever it is you like about it doesn't dictate the likely majority customer profile. You and others can, if you want, make any claims you like in that regard. But that doesn't make them plausible.Insofar as there can be said to be a concept of ostentatiousness, this car is clearly designed to deliver on that. It's a soft concept that largely defies expedient objective metrics, of course, so in the context of a 'debate' like this, it's possible to superficially contradict the bleedin' obvious and pretend you've got a point. Nobody can link to a peer reviewed paper correlating this car with attention seeking naffness to 12 decimal places.
But, equally, nobody remotely rational is buying it.
It's also pretty obviously a logical fallacy to imply that only those with immaculate taste are in a position to identify aesthetic crassness. This thing is off the charts. You don't need to be Brian Sewell and Loyd Grosmann's lovechuld to spot the XM is intergalactically gauche.
Most of us have a soft spot for the odd naff thing. Which is fine. What makes for a bad look is trying to pretend whatever it is isn't naff when it very obviously is. Far better to own it.
GeeTeeBee said:
Whatever it is you like about it doesn't dictate the likely majority customer profile. You and others can, if you want, make any claims you like in that regard. But that doesn't make them plausible.
Insofar as there can be said to be a concept of ostentatiousness, this car is clearly designed to deliver on that. It's a soft concept that largely defies expedient objective metrics, of course, so in the context of a 'debate' like this, it's possible to superficially contradict the bleedin' obvious and pretend you've got a point. Nobody can link to a peer reviewed paper correlating this car with attention seeking naffness to 12 decimal places.
But, equally, nobody remotely rational is buying it.
It's also pretty obviously a logical fallacy to imply that only those with immaculate taste are in a position to identify aesthetic crassness. This thing is off the charts. You don't need to be Brian Sewell and Loyd Grosmann's lovechuld to spot the XM is intergalactically gauche.
Most of us have a soft spot for the odd naff thing. Which is fine. What makes for a bad look is trying to pretend whatever it is isn't naff when it very obviously is. Far better to own it.
That's you again Cmoose, isn't it? Insofar as there can be said to be a concept of ostentatiousness, this car is clearly designed to deliver on that. It's a soft concept that largely defies expedient objective metrics, of course, so in the context of a 'debate' like this, it's possible to superficially contradict the bleedin' obvious and pretend you've got a point. Nobody can link to a peer reviewed paper correlating this car with attention seeking naffness to 12 decimal places.
But, equally, nobody remotely rational is buying it.
It's also pretty obviously a logical fallacy to imply that only those with immaculate taste are in a position to identify aesthetic crassness. This thing is off the charts. You don't need to be Brian Sewell and Loyd Grosmann's lovechuld to spot the XM is intergalactically gauche.
Most of us have a soft spot for the odd naff thing. Which is fine. What makes for a bad look is trying to pretend whatever it is isn't naff when it very obviously is. Far better to own it.
That's about your 4th reincarnation since you "left" PH.
Even if it looked like a BMW vision of a Purosangue it still sounds like it doesn't even drive well, not just in 'M' terms but in 'really badly intergrated' terms.
That said people regularly buy into expensive, ugly, powerful & awful to drive cars so that might not be a hindrance to it. Guess we'll see.
That said people regularly buy into expensive, ugly, powerful & awful to drive cars so that might not be a hindrance to it. Guess we'll see.
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