RE: Mirage Countach | The Brave Pill
Discussion
mat205125 said:
Katzenjammer said:
An inch or two off of the ride height would really help it out
There is only one good thing about it.
Just like the Hawaiian shirt and fake gold Rolex it's easy to spot fake cars and avoid the owners like the plague at car shows.
The absolute joy of owning special cars, whether it is a few thousand quid of classic/vintage car up to a super car is the driving experience, it doesn't matter if it is the sonorous howl of a flat plane crank or the clicky whirr of an inertia starter on an a series you started by pressing an awkwardly placed button on the floor. It might be the feeling of rolling merrily around a country road in a 2cv while fighting with the gear shift or thrashing a flat 6 air cooled finely honed driving tool up a mountain pass.
You don't get any of that with a fake car. You get bits of other cars, probably good cars in their own right, cobbled together in an ill fitting fibreglass dress. The only people who will be fooled are randomers you drive past who don't know any better, how sad do you need to be to care what they think. And all proper car enthusiasts aside from other anorak wearing kit car fans will think you're a total pleb.
In this cars case you're a pleb who has no grasp of common sense as has already been said there are proper cars that can be bought for less.
Just like the Hawaiian shirt and fake gold Rolex it's easy to spot fake cars and avoid the owners like the plague at car shows.
The absolute joy of owning special cars, whether it is a few thousand quid of classic/vintage car up to a super car is the driving experience, it doesn't matter if it is the sonorous howl of a flat plane crank or the clicky whirr of an inertia starter on an a series you started by pressing an awkwardly placed button on the floor. It might be the feeling of rolling merrily around a country road in a 2cv while fighting with the gear shift or thrashing a flat 6 air cooled finely honed driving tool up a mountain pass.
You don't get any of that with a fake car. You get bits of other cars, probably good cars in their own right, cobbled together in an ill fitting fibreglass dress. The only people who will be fooled are randomers you drive past who don't know any better, how sad do you need to be to care what they think. And all proper car enthusiasts aside from other anorak wearing kit car fans will think you're a total pleb.
In this cars case you're a pleb who has no grasp of common sense as has already been said there are proper cars that can be bought for less.
Look, I think we can all agree that it’s not the worst kit car ever made, not even the worst Countach kit car. If it was advertised for £20k, then I don’t think anyone would have too much to say about it. I just can’t get my head around the £70k asking price. The kit would have cost peanuts at the time: that’s why people bought them and built them in their lock-ups.
wpa1975 said:
tadaah said:
correctly DVLA registered in 2002”. Suggesting that this was when a 17-year project was actually completed. It has an IVA/ SVA certificate and - somewhat cheekily - is listed as being a Lamborghini in the online record.
Er, well, as Lamborghini clearly didn't make it, its not "cheekily" recorded as that, its "illegally" recorded as that and one day the DVLA may well catch up with it
Would look less smart with a Q plate forced onto it
I am puzzled it states first registered 16th October 1985 but first registered with the DVLA October 2004, what does this mean then?Er, well, as Lamborghini clearly didn't make it, its not "cheekily" recorded as that, its "illegally" recorded as that and one day the DVLA may well catch up with it
Would look less smart with a Q plate forced onto it
Love to know how they managed to get it registered as a Lamborghini.
Also big gap in mot history, mot'd August 2016 and then not mot'd again until June 2022 then again in November 2022
As for that, the C plate will be based on the date of manufacture of one or more significant component parts. In this case it's likely to be that the chassis was manufactured in 1985, however it could also be the engine - albeit less likely. It is possible to build a car from the ground up and register it as a non-Q, but such a process requires the builder to be clerically savvy and in possession of all the relevant paperwork.
LotusOmega375D said:
Look, I think we can all agree that it’s not the worst kit car ever made, not even the worst Countach kit car. If it was advertised for £20k, then I don’t think anyone would have too much to say about it. I just can’t get my head around the £70k asking price. The kit would have cost peanuts at the time: that’s why people bought them and built them in their lock-ups.
100% this. I don't have any problem with a well done replica - I aspire to building a decent GT40 rep one day. I don't think the Lambo kits were ever 'cheap'. But 70 grand and it doesn't even have a V12? Half that at best.
hairykrishna said:
LotusOmega375D said:
Look, I think we can all agree that it’s not the worst kit car ever made, not even the worst Countach kit car. If it was advertised for £20k, then I don’t think anyone would have too much to say about it. I just can’t get my head around the £70k asking price. The kit would have cost peanuts at the time: that’s why people bought them and built them in their lock-ups.
100% this. I don't have any problem with a well done replica - I aspire to building a decent GT40 rep one day. I don't think the Lambo kits were ever 'cheap'. But 70 grand and it doesn't even have a V12? Half that at best.
Missy Charm said:
hairykrishna said:
LotusOmega375D said:
Look, I think we can all agree that it’s not the worst kit car ever made, not even the worst Countach kit car. If it was advertised for £20k, then I don’t think anyone would have too much to say about it. I just can’t get my head around the £70k asking price. The kit would have cost peanuts at the time: that’s why people bought them and built them in their lock-ups.
100% this. I don't have any problem with a well done replica - I aspire to building a decent GT40 rep one day. I don't think the Lambo kits were ever 'cheap'. But 70 grand and it doesn't even have a V12? Half that at best.
mat205125 said:
Caddyshack said:
The Kit is almost certainly going to be on coilovers so the ride height / stance objection is probably a moot point.
"moot" from the point that, without shaving some ride height, its shouts "kit car" louder than a red faced town cryer could?I suspect some of the posters in this thread would not actually know it is a kit if they saw it out in the wild without being told it was a kit in advance (yes the sound may give it away)
Missy Charm said:
I don't understand why everyone is up in arms about the 350 Chevy the car has got. An engine of that sort will be more reliable than a V12 as well as being simpler, more rugged, better sounding, possibly lighter and quite easily made more powerful. The kit could even end up with better performance than the real thing if the engine had the right bits added.
The highlighted is a bold statement (in more than just formatting). It might sound good in it's own right but the V12 has a glorious sound that an USA V8 just isn't going to get close to equalling, let alone bettering. (accepted this is subjective)
Caddyshack said:
From the point that you could drop it to any ride height you like within about 5 mins.
I suspect some of the posters in this thread would not actually know it is a kit if they saw it out in the wild without being told it was a kit in advance (yes the sound may give it away)
I'm feeling less charitable than you. And I think the other way round. I'm pretty sure most, if not all, of the naysayers on this thread saw a real one they would complain about it being another kit.I suspect some of the posters in this thread would not actually know it is a kit if they saw it out in the wild without being told it was a kit in advance (yes the sound may give it away)
Speed Zone / Cannonball Fever
Lambo' & "Lambo'" action at the start.
Edited by Crook on Wednesday 22 March 16:58
Caddyshack said:
This thread has disappointed me. I thought the petrol heads with a love for cars would have appreciated it even as a replica / copy.
I have a 205 Pug with T16 kit on it - it runs 4wd and 600hp Cossie set up...I think of it as an homage to the T16 and not a wannabe. It only seems to get appreciation when I take it out.
love it, would like such one myself, ok not in red (not a red fan) but say in the 205 Grey-ish metallic, or the green metallic from some models.I have a 205 Pug with T16 kit on it - it runs 4wd and 600hp Cossie set up...I think of it as an homage to the T16 and not a wannabe. It only seems to get appreciation when I take it out.
anyhow, what a nice little monster 205 that is, way better then most new cars, not a fan of most new cars either :-)
GTRene said:
Caddyshack said:
This thread has disappointed me. I thought the petrol heads with a love for cars would have appreciated it even as a replica / copy.
I have a 205 Pug with T16 kit on it - it runs 4wd and 600hp Cossie set up...I think of it as an homage to the T16 and not a wannabe. It only seems to get appreciation when I take it out.
love it, would like such one myself, ok not in red (not a red fan) but say in the 205 Grey-ish metallic, or the green metallic from some models.I have a 205 Pug with T16 kit on it - it runs 4wd and 600hp Cossie set up...I think of it as an homage to the T16 and not a wannabe. It only seems to get appreciation when I take it out.
anyhow, what a nice little monster 205 that is, way better then most new cars, not a fan of most new cars either :-)
Missy Charm said:
I don't understand why everyone is up in arms about the 350 Chevy the car has got. An engine of that sort will be more reliable than a V12 as well as being simpler, more rugged, better sounding, possibly lighter and quite easily made more powerful. The kit could even end up with better performance than the real thing if the engine had the right bits added.
It's a good engine but, for me, a good chunk of a car's identity and appeal is the engine. Countach's have V12's. Also if you're going to try and charge an exotic car price it needs to have a pretty exotic engine. A boggo Chevy 350 is not exotic.
wildoliver said:
There is only one good thing about it.
Just like the Hawaiian shirt and fake gold Rolex it's easy to spot fake cars and avoid the owners like the plague at car shows.
The absolute joy of owning special cars, whether it is a few thousand quid of classic/vintage car up to a super car is the driving experience, it doesn't matter if it is the sonorous howl of a flat plane crank or the clicky whirr of an inertia starter on an a series you started by pressing an awkwardly placed button on the floor. It might be the feeling of rolling merrily around a country road in a 2cv while fighting with the gear shift or thrashing a flat 6 air cooled finely honed driving tool up a mountain pass.
You don't get any of that with a fake car. You get bits of other cars, probably good cars in their own right, cobbled together in an ill fitting fibreglass dress. The only people who will be fooled are randomers you drive past who don't know any better, how sad do you need to be to care what they think. And all proper car enthusiasts aside from other anorak wearing kit car fans will think you're a total pleb.
In this cars case you're a pleb who has no grasp of common sense as has already been said there are proper cars that can be bought for less.
There's any number of reasons that somebody may buy a kit car, and it's a sad person who thinks somebody can only enjoy a replica because they're trying to impress people. Says a lot more about you than them. Just like the Hawaiian shirt and fake gold Rolex it's easy to spot fake cars and avoid the owners like the plague at car shows.
The absolute joy of owning special cars, whether it is a few thousand quid of classic/vintage car up to a super car is the driving experience, it doesn't matter if it is the sonorous howl of a flat plane crank or the clicky whirr of an inertia starter on an a series you started by pressing an awkwardly placed button on the floor. It might be the feeling of rolling merrily around a country road in a 2cv while fighting with the gear shift or thrashing a flat 6 air cooled finely honed driving tool up a mountain pass.
You don't get any of that with a fake car. You get bits of other cars, probably good cars in their own right, cobbled together in an ill fitting fibreglass dress. The only people who will be fooled are randomers you drive past who don't know any better, how sad do you need to be to care what they think. And all proper car enthusiasts aside from other anorak wearing kit car fans will think you're a total pleb.
In this cars case you're a pleb who has no grasp of common sense as has already been said there are proper cars that can be bought for less.
"And all proper car enthusiasts aside from other anorak wearing kit car fans will think you're a total pleb." Is this sort of b
ks that stops me reading Pistonheads very often or visiting car shows full stop. And no, I don't have or want a kit car. I'd probably drive one to avoid talking to you about the clicky whirr of an inertia starter on an A series, however.
Edited by pthelazyjourno on Wednesday 22 March 21:31
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