RE: Dodge unveils 1,025hp Challenger SRT Demon 170
Discussion
Hairymonster said:
Don't they all drive Prius's? Priurii (?)
Well, actually, no. Although you would think that. Despite all the Teslas/Prius you see on the road, I think the most popular vehicle in the US is still the massive V8 trucks, often twin axle.I don't think the Americans are about to give up their ICEs just yet, if ever.
If EVs are the future, they certainly aren't in the USA, IMHO.
Arsecati said:
Undercover McNoName said:
So, you’re in your right to impose noise on those who don’t want it?
Then get yourself some earplugs mate. Have you ever considered that some may also find the noise coming from mouth offensive?
I do wish folks wouldn't refer to vw Audi group as vag.
Undercover McNoName said:
So, you’re in your right to impose noise on those who don’t want it?
I live next to a main road. Apart from the odd modified hatchback or something fruity, some of the noisiest cars that go past are EVs, as the weight of the things means they make loads more road noise and thump across potholes/manhole covers etc. So in the interest of not imposing noise on those who don't want it - any chance EV drivers could buy little superminis to stop inflicting their noise on me? Ta.
More seriously, this looks absolutely f
king epic. I've always loved the Challenger since a misspent youth watching Vanishing Point with some herbal refreshments and this looks the ultimate. The fact it winds up Tesla Drivers is just the icing on the cake
Undercover McNoName said:
Sr.Gringo said:
If EVs are the future, they certainly aren't in the USA, IMHO.
Lets see.Unlike in the UK, USA citizens have tons of public land they can basically do what they want on. Hunting, shooting, fishing, and that requires lifestyle vehicles. I have a big RAM truck in the UK here and its so convenient, in the USA it must be more so. We go a lot to the States and people go out dune running in buggies with buggies and bikes in the back of their truck, they tow massive campers and trailers and do big road trips for their holidays, they'll drive hundreds of miles a day - e.g. drive 400 miles to Vegas from LA for a weekend and back. I have a cousin who camps in the dessert with his friends and just drives his truck (and theirs) out to Joshua Tree in the middle of nowhere. They'll bring food, drinks, rifles etc and live free (unlike the UK lol where 55% of the economy is taken in tax and you have noise cameras).
The trucks are hugely comfy - mine is 50% bigger inside than a 5 series. It's by far the most comfy vehicle I've ever driven. The back seats are as big, if not bigger, passenger wise as a Merc S Class... but you've got a massive truck bed too, and the tank is a minimum of 90 litres (400-500 miles), and you can get an optional 130 litre tank (600+ miles).
They're rated to tow 5 tons in the USA.
EV's can't do the above presently. You'd need a 200kw battery.
Edited by kbf1981 on Thursday 23 March 17:09
Edited by kbf1981 on Thursday 23 March 17:10
Undercover McNoName said:
I lived in an apartment next to a main road for a year. I honestly feel sorry on your behalf.
I live in the country: not one single sheep, cow or horse has EVER complained about the noise of my vehicles in the 15 years I've been here. I'm guessing they must all be deaf.
Or maybe they just have a life.
Undercover McNoName said:
Lets see.
The top NINETY best selling vehicles in 2022 (and 2021) in the good ol' US of A............ 3 are EV's.
Methinks you maybe waiting to 'see' for quite a while yet my friend!
Ford F-Series 653,957 726,003 -9.9%
Chevrolet Silverado 520,936 529,765 -1.7%
Ram Pickup 468,344 569,389 -17.8%
Toyota RAV4 366,741 407,739 -10.1%
Toyota Camry 295,201 313,795 -5.9%
GMC Sierra 241,521 248,923 -3.0%
Honda CR-V 238,155 361,271 -34.1%
Tesla Model Y 225,799 161,527 39.8%
Jeep Grand Cherokee 223,344 254,445 -12.2%
Toyota Highlander 222,805 264,128 -15.7%
Toyota Corolla 222,216 223,215 -0.5%
Toyota Tacoma 215,853 252,490 -14.5%
Chevrolet Equinox 212,072 165,325 28.3%
Ford Explorer 207,763 219,871 -5.5%
Tesla Model 3 195,698 121,610 60.9%
Nissan Rogue 186,481 285,601 -34.7%
Jeep Wrangler 181,410 204,610 -11.3%
Hyundai Tuscon 175,307 140,721 24.6%
Subaru CrossTrek 155,142 127,466 21.7%
Honda Accord 154,612 202,676 -23.7%
Mazda CX-5 151,594 163,940 -7.5%
Subaru Outback 147,262 154,623 -4.8%
Nissan Altima 139,956 103,776 34.9%
Ford Escape 137,370 145,415 -5.5%
Honda Civic 133,932 263,787 -49.2%
Kia Sportage 124,244 88,688 40.1%
Toyota 4Runner 121,023 144,696 -16.4%
Hyundai Elantra 117,177 127,360 -8.0%
Ford Bronco 117,057 35,023 234.2%
Chevrolet Malibu 115,468 39,376 193.2%
Honda HR-V 115,416 137,090 -15.8%
Hyundai Santa Fe 115,226 112,705 2.2%
Subaru Forester 114,096 154,723 -26.3%
Chevrolet Tahoe 105,754 106,019 -0.3%
Honda Pilot 99,567 143,062 -30.4%
Kia Telluride 99,564 93,705 6.3%
Ford Bronco Sport 99,547 108,169 -8.0%
Ford Transit 99,382 99,745 -0.4%
Chrysler Pacifica 98,624 74,970 31.6%
Kia Forte 97,303 113,051 -13.9%
Chevrolet Traverse 96,964 116,251 -16.6%
Lexus RX 96,041 115,320 -16.7%
Toyota Tundra 94,429 81,959 15.2%
Tesla Model S 90,473 11,556 682.9%
Chevrolet Colorado 89,197 73,008 22.2%
Kia Sorento 87,147 81,785 6.6%
GMC Terrain 86,568 47,488 82.3%
Jeep Compass 86,175 75,642 13.9%
Ford Edge 85,465 85,225 0.3%
Hyundai Palisade 82,688 86,282 -4.2%
BMW X5 82,373 60,724 35.7%
GMC Yukon 82,305 84,243 -2.3%
Dodge Charger 80,365 78,388 2.5%
Jeep Gladiator 77,855 89,712 -13.2%
Nissan Sentra 77,124 127,862 -39.7%
Nissan Frontier 76,185 60,697 25.5%
Ford Maverick 74,370 13,258 460.9%
Volkswagen Tiguan 71,085 109,742 -35.2%
Chevrolet Blazer 67,247 70,323 -4.4%
Kia K5 66,310 77,195 -14.1%
BMW X3 65,800 75,858 -13.3%
Hyundai Kona 63,994 89,607 -28.6%
Subaru Ascent 63,704 74,650 -14.7%
Ford Expedition 62,007 81,988 -24.4%
Ram ProMaster 60,937 63,362 -3.8%
Chevrolet TrailBlazer 60,888 90,163 -32.5%
Nissan Pathfinder 57,862 41,324 40.0%
Audi Q5 57,053 60,299 -5.4%
Ford Ranger 56,987 94,755 -39.9%
Kia Soul 56,740 75,126 -24.5%
Toyota Corolla Cross 56,666 7,203 686.7%
Dodge Durango 55,510 65,936 -15.8%
Dodge Challenger 55,245 54,315 1.7%
Nissan Kicks 54,879 82,960 -33.9%
GMC Acadia 53,025 59,913 -11.5%
Mazda CX-30 52,808 55,180 -4.3%
Chevrolet Express 52,796 44,357 19.0%
Hyundai Sonata 52,140 83,434 -37.5%
Chevrolet Suburban 50,951 85,159 -40.2%
Volkswagen Taos 50,371 31,703 58.9%
Lexus NX 49,002 58,514 -16.3%
Honda Odyssey 47,615 76,125 -37.5%
Kia Seltos 44,897 51,368 -12.6%
Ford Mustang 44,332 52,384 -15.4%
Volkswagen Atlas 43,900 72,383 -39.4%
Honda Ridgeline 42,762 41,355 3.4%
Acura MDX 41,690 60,057 -30.6%
Lexus ES 41,465 45,406 -8.7%
Honda Passport 41,306 53,133 -22.3%
Mitsubishi Outlander 40,940 33,883 20.8%
Jeep Cherokee 40,322 89,126 -54.8%
Cadillac Escalade 40,250 40,504 -0.6%
bodhi said:
Undercover McNoName said:
So, you’re in your right to impose noise on those who don’t want it?
I live next to a main road. Apart from the odd modified hatchback or something fruity, some of the noisiest cars that go past are EVs, as the weight of the things means they make loads more road noise and thump across potholes/manhole covers etc. So in the interest of not imposing noise on those who don't want it - any chance EV drivers could buy little superminis to stop inflicting their noise on me? Ta.
More seriously, this looks absolutely f
king epic. I've always loved the Challenger since a misspent youth watching Vanishing Point with some herbal refreshments and this looks the ultimate. The fact it winds up Tesla Drivers is just the icing on the cake
Road noise is mostly a product of the surface quality rather than the mass of the vehicle.
kbf1981 said:
Undercover McNoName said:
Sr.Gringo said:
If EVs are the future, they certainly aren't in the USA, IMHO.
Lets see.Unlike in the UK, USA citizens have tons of public land they can basically do what they want on. Hunting, shooting, fishing, and that requires lifestyle vehicles. I have a big RAM truck in the UK here and its so convenient, in the USA it must be more so. We go a lot to the States and people go out dune running in buggies with buggies and bikes in the back of their truck, they tow massive campers and trailers and do big road trips for their holidays, they'll drive hundreds of miles a day - e.g. drive 400 miles to Vegas from LA for a weekend and back. I have a cousin who camps in the dessert with his friends and just drives his truck (and theirs) out to Joshua Tree in the middle of nowhere. They'll bring food, drinks, rifles etc and live free (unlike the UK lol where 55% of the economy is taken in tax and you have noise cameras).
The trucks are hugely comfy - mine is 50% bigger inside than a 5 series. It's by far the most comfy vehicle I've ever driven. The back seats are as big, if not bigger, passenger wise as a Merc S Class... but you've got a massive truck bed too, and the tank is a minimum of 90 litres (400-500 miles), and you can get an optional 130 litre tank (600+ miles).
They're rated to tow 5 tons in the USA.
EV's can't do the above presently. You'd need a 200kw battery.
1: US preference for trucks is less than a generation old
2: It is tied to US tariffs on imported vans and loop holes for "light duty trucks" from emissions regs which pushed US manufacturers into a segment more protected from overseas competition
3: Most trucks never tow a thing
4: Most truck owners never take them off road
5: Given that 35% of them rarely use the bed it's safe to say the most things carried in a truck would also probably fit in more sensible vehicles.
This is an editorialized summary of an Edwards questionnaire, which is the data source for the statements above. That also a self reported survey so real usage of trucks for towing and off roading is probably even lower!
https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-...
[quote=Fishy Dave]
I drove a V6 Hertz rental about 800 miles through Florida in November. I took it for a slowish couple of laps around Sebring, a bit wallowy and the 245 section rear tyres a bit slidy. I thought it was perfectly ok, damned with faint praise maybe, but I'd not turn my nose up if offered one. The are 3/4 visibility was a shocker though.
Drove a rental V8 Challenger from Detroit to Chicago and down to Huntsville: lovely thing! But the rear 3/4 vision (headrest/seat back/ C pillar) made it utterly impractical / dangerous in built-up areas. (My 440 cu.in. Satellite Sebring Plus was considerably more practical, even at 25 years older.)
I drove a V6 Hertz rental about 800 miles through Florida in November. I took it for a slowish couple of laps around Sebring, a bit wallowy and the 245 section rear tyres a bit slidy. I thought it was perfectly ok, damned with faint praise maybe, but I'd not turn my nose up if offered one. The are 3/4 visibility was a shocker though.
Drove a rental V8 Challenger from Detroit to Chicago and down to Huntsville: lovely thing! But the rear 3/4 vision (headrest/seat back/ C pillar) made it utterly impractical / dangerous in built-up areas. (My 440 cu.in. Satellite Sebring Plus was considerably more practical, even at 25 years older.)
I love muscle cars and the V8 rumble they make. I would love a Challenger and 400bhp would be enough for me. This is a fine send off, quite ludicrous 
Pistonheads has come a long way. I'm sad to hear so many on this particular thread rubbishing this car and comparing to a Tesla. It kind of misses the point.
Well I'm glad they both exist and that we have choices but I wouldn't want to deny someone just because they don't like the same flavour as me.
Pistonheads has come a long way. I'm sad to hear so many on this particular thread rubbishing this car and comparing to a Tesla. It kind of misses the point.
Well I'm glad they both exist and that we have choices but I wouldn't want to deny someone just because they don't like the same flavour as me.
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