RE: MST blows our minds with incoming Metro 6R4
Discussion
ChevronB19 said:
poo at Paul's said:
Can’t tell you how much I’d love on of them!
My mate at school’s dad worked for unipart and when grp B was banned, the road cars were being sold off and he could get them for 12k iirc! My Dad jammed and aahhhd but never went for it! To put that I pserpective, his company cars were cortinas and were about 3k in them days.
Ditto with my dad, although for some reason (I’m almost certainly wrong) I seem to remember them being offered for £18k.My mate at school’s dad worked for unipart and when grp B was banned, the road cars were being sold off and he could get them for 12k iirc! My Dad jammed and aahhhd but never went for it! To put that I pserpective, his company cars were cortinas and were about 3k in them days.
Not fully completed cars, but I remember a Sierra Cosworth at the same time was £15950 and a 6R4 about the same whereas Ford were trying to sell the RS200 for ~£50K
Not that I could afford any of these, couldn't even quite afford the £4k for a Chevette 2.6 HSR (or insurance) and went for a £3.5 K Astra SR
Ahhh, those were the days.
A friend of mine bought a 6R4 a few years ago - genuine one with competition pedigree, ex Pond ISTR.
It was bought sans engine and he sent it off to some 6R4 specialist and they fitted a Jaguar V6 which seems to be the replacement engine of choice.
Another friend bought one of the original Clubman cars back in the day when the Rover competitions dept was dissolved, in primer and unregistered, to keep as an investment - £13,500 was the purchase price!
It was bought sans engine and he sent it off to some 6R4 specialist and they fitted a Jaguar V6 which seems to be the replacement engine of choice.
Another friend bought one of the original Clubman cars back in the day when the Rover competitions dept was dissolved, in primer and unregistered, to keep as an investment - £13,500 was the purchase price!
Lotobear said:
A friend of mine bought a 6R4 a few years ago - genuine one with competition pedigree, ex Pond ISTR.
It was bought sans engine and he sent it off to some 6R4 specialist and they fitted a Jaguar V6 which seems to be the replacement engine of choice.
Another friend bought one of the original Clubman cars back in the day when the Rover competitions dept was dissolved, in primer and unregistered, to keep as an investment - £13,500 was the purchase price!
There was one at Race Retro with a Honda V6. It looked and sounded absolutely amazing. It was bought sans engine and he sent it off to some 6R4 specialist and they fitted a Jaguar V6 which seems to be the replacement engine of choice.
Another friend bought one of the original Clubman cars back in the day when the Rover competitions dept was dissolved, in primer and unregistered, to keep as an investment - £13,500 was the purchase price!
My Father was in with Rover at that time and was offered one for £11k. He turned it down and bought an MG Maestro instead
Caddyshack said:
gazza285 said:
It would make more sense to put in a turbocharged four pot.
It probably would but the purists would want a v6, I wonder if the evija engine would be the option as they are available to buy in crate form?DeejRC said:
Everyone minus me. I always thought they were embarrassing piles of dog poop. Appallingly awful contraptions that never worked and when they did vaguely work barely competed.
Rubbish dross.
All the Grp b cars were like that though. They were all hastily cobbled together and the engineers were learning. Rubbish dross.
I recall, the 6R4 was actually praised for its handling at the time, as the lack of lag meant balancing the car on the throttle was much easier, which reduced driver fatigue... But it lacked power.
ajprice said:
What engine is the V6 going to be? The original was 3/4 of a Rover V8 and wasn't used in anything else (as far as I know except for the XJ220 engine being a developed from it). The MST mk1 and mk2 use Duratec or Millington 4 cylinders (Millington don't do a V6).
Ford Duratec V6? Jaguar AJ30 V6 (as used in the MX5 Rocketeer conversion)?
Not quite rightFord Duratec V6? Jaguar AJ30 V6 (as used in the MX5 Rocketeer conversion)?
The Prototype used this cut down rover v8 to help speed up the development time, the real engine was a bespoke David Wood (ex Cosworth)engine, possibly the only engine ever designed purely for Rallying from the ground up. Williams was also instrumental in the whole 6R4 development.
The XJ220 was a blown version of the David Wood engine
If me memory serves me right- i saw a couple of these in prototype form on a rover group "rallysprint" event (remember them) at Donnington. Best sounding grp B car IMHO - a true "british" WRC entry- i.e. going about things in a different (and not alsways succesful) manner. love it.
I reckon it'll still hit production before the "new" TVR griffith does!
I reckon it'll still hit production before the "new" TVR griffith does!
TGCOTF-dewey said:
All the Grp b cars were like that though. They were all hastily cobbled together and the engineers were learning.
I recall, the 6R4 was actually praised for its handling at the time, as the lack of lag meant balancing the car on the throttle was much easier, which reduced driver fatigue... But it lacked power.
Yeah, must admit the 6R4s do sound good, but the looks do naff all for me.I recall, the 6R4 was actually praised for its handling at the time, as the lack of lag meant balancing the car on the throttle was much easier, which reduced driver fatigue... But it lacked power.
I'd have a Delta S4 please, twin-charged engine with fuel tanks mounted under the seats for ultra 'fear factor' when it goes wrong
The 6R4 is hugely appealing to many people, including me, more so than the other Group B cars in a lot of cases.
Wonder what it is as in a lot of cases the base car is generally derided but the 6R4 just seems to not have anything to do with a Metro, the Peugeot T16 is cool and the base car way more desirable but it isnt as cool as a 6R4, to me anyway.
I think its the stance and the fact its basically as wide as it is long.
I wonder if they could do a fairly civilized version, nice interior with some creature comforts, reasonably plaint suspension, not too loud and a nice smooth 400 or so bhp ? I cant afford it but that would be my choice, a 6R4 daily.
Wonder what it is as in a lot of cases the base car is generally derided but the 6R4 just seems to not have anything to do with a Metro, the Peugeot T16 is cool and the base car way more desirable but it isnt as cool as a 6R4, to me anyway.
I think its the stance and the fact its basically as wide as it is long.
I wonder if they could do a fairly civilized version, nice interior with some creature comforts, reasonably plaint suspension, not too loud and a nice smooth 400 or so bhp ? I cant afford it but that would be my choice, a 6R4 daily.
J4CKO said:
The 6R4 is hugely appealing to many people, including me, more so than the other Group B cars in a lot of cases.
Wonder what it is as in a lot of cases the base car is generally derided but the 6R4 just seems to not have anything to do with a Metro, the Peugeot T16 is cool and the base car way more desirable but it isnt as cool as a 6R4, to me anyway.
I think its the stance and the fact its basically as wide as it is long.
I wonder if they could do a fairly civilized version, nice interior with some creature comforts, reasonably plaint suspension, not too loud and a nice smooth 400 or so bhp ? I cant afford it but that would be my choice, a 6R4 daily.
They're my favourite (although I also share a weakness for the 205T16). If you've ever heard one at full chat through a forest they'd also become your favourite - wonderful, spectacular and silly machines.Wonder what it is as in a lot of cases the base car is generally derided but the 6R4 just seems to not have anything to do with a Metro, the Peugeot T16 is cool and the base car way more desirable but it isnt as cool as a 6R4, to me anyway.
I think its the stance and the fact its basically as wide as it is long.
I wonder if they could do a fairly civilized version, nice interior with some creature comforts, reasonably plaint suspension, not too loud and a nice smooth 400 or so bhp ? I cant afford it but that would be my choice, a 6R4 daily.
I like the look of this - would definitely need a V6 though - the noise is intrinsic to its appeal.
rodericb said:
Caddyshack said:
gazza285 said:
It would make more sense to put in a turbocharged four pot.
It probably would but the purists would want a v6, I wonder if the evija engine would be the option as they are available to buy in crate form?In theory they may also be able to buy the AMG turbo 4 pot.
J4CKO said:
I wonder if they could do a fairly civilized version, nice interior with some creature comforts, reasonably plaint suspension, not too loud and a nice smooth 400 or so bhp ? I cant afford it but that would be my choice, a 6R4 daily.
In the same vein as the Clio V6? I could see that working. Nice leather Recaros, Saddle brown leather, Alcantara and Carbon fibre trim. A bit of machined aluminium strategically dotted about the cabin. Air con. Proper sunroof. Electric windows and the body painted in metallic BRG.In fact, that just made it on to my fantasy lottery win car list. If they don't do it, I'd find someone who will.
Engine wise, what about Jags supercharged V6? It certainly makes all the right noises.
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