RE: MST blows our minds with incoming Metro 6R4

RE: MST blows our minds with incoming Metro 6R4

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Gary C

12,431 posts

179 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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ChevronB19 said:
poo at Paul's said:
Can’t tell you how much I’d love on of them!
My mate at school’s dad worked for unipart and when grp B was banned, the road cars were being sold off and he could get them for 12k iirc! My Dad jammed and aahhhd but never went for it! To put that I pserpective, his company cars were cortinas and were about 3k in them days.
Ditto with my dad, although for some reason (I’m almost certainly wrong) I seem to remember them being offered for £18k.
Yep, they were.

Not fully completed cars, but I remember a Sierra Cosworth at the same time was £15950 and a 6R4 about the same whereas Ford were trying to sell the RS200 for ~£50K

Not that I could afford any of these, couldn't even quite afford the £4k for a Chevette 2.6 HSR (or insurance) and went for a £3.5 K Astra SR

Ahhh, those were the days.

Lotobear

6,343 posts

128 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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A friend of mine bought a 6R4 a few years ago - genuine one with competition pedigree, ex Pond ISTR.

It was bought sans engine and he sent it off to some 6R4 specialist and they fitted a Jaguar V6 which seems to be the replacement engine of choice.

Another friend bought one of the original Clubman cars back in the day when the Rover competitions dept was dissolved, in primer and unregistered, to keep as an investment - £13,500 was the purchase price!

Red9zero

6,853 posts

57 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Lotobear said:
A friend of mine bought a 6R4 a few years ago - genuine one with competition pedigree, ex Pond ISTR.

It was bought sans engine and he sent it off to some 6R4 specialist and they fitted a Jaguar V6 which seems to be the replacement engine of choice.

Another friend bought one of the original Clubman cars back in the day when the Rover competitions dept was dissolved, in primer and unregistered, to keep as an investment - £13,500 was the purchase price!
There was one at Race Retro with a Honda V6. It looked and sounded absolutely amazing.

My Father was in with Rover at that time and was offered one for £11k. He turned it down and bought an MG Maestro instead laugh

TGCOTF-dewey

5,156 posts

55 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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MDMA . said:
Their MK1 Escorts start at £85k I think. 6R4 is going to be a mid mounted V6 and 4wd, so I’d guess at £100k plus.
That's going to be a quarter mil car I'd guess... If not more.

rodericb

6,741 posts

126 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Caddyshack said:
gazza285 said:
It would make more sense to put in a turbocharged four pot.
It probably would but the purists would want a v6, I wonder if the evija engine would be the option as they are available to buy in crate form?
Evija has a motor. Unless you mean the Emira, which has an engine. But can you get that engine from Lotus? Or even Toyota in its stock form? Ford did have the V6 Ecoboost crate engine for a while: https://performanceproductstn.com/ford-racing-m-60...

Acorn1

648 posts

20 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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I think everyone loves these iconic cars, great to see them being revived.

Back in my motor trade days in the late 80's one of our customers who I became quite pally with had one as well as a Countach.

I was lucky enough to drive both.

DeejRC

5,790 posts

82 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Everyone minus me. I always thought they were embarrassing piles of dog poop. Appallingly awful contraptions that never worked and when they did vaguely work barely competed.
Rubbish dross.

TGCOTF-dewey

5,156 posts

55 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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DeejRC said:
Everyone minus me. I always thought they were embarrassing piles of dog poop. Appallingly awful contraptions that never worked and when they did vaguely work barely competed.
Rubbish dross.
All the Grp b cars were like that though. They were all hastily cobbled together and the engineers were learning.

I recall, the 6R4 was actually praised for its handling at the time, as the lack of lag meant balancing the car on the throttle was much easier, which reduced driver fatigue... But it lacked power.

996Keef

435 posts

91 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Awesome, I've got a couple of metros , '81 turbo challenge car

and a '83 with mgf running gear , rwd

I reckon they'll use a jaguar ajv6 in this 6r4 recreation, interested to see the choice of gearbox, presuming they keep the engine at the back

What The Deuces

2,780 posts

24 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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ajprice said:
What engine is the V6 going to be? The original was 3/4 of a Rover V8 and wasn't used in anything else (as far as I know except for the XJ220 engine being a developed from it). The MST mk1 and mk2 use Duratec or Millington 4 cylinders (Millington don't do a V6).

Ford Duratec V6? Jaguar AJ30 V6 (as used in the MX5 Rocketeer conversion)?
Not quite right

The Prototype used this cut down rover v8 to help speed up the development time, the real engine was a bespoke David Wood (ex Cosworth)engine, possibly the only engine ever designed purely for Rallying from the ground up. Williams was also instrumental in the whole 6R4 development.

The XJ220 was a blown version of the David Wood engine

What The Deuces

2,780 posts

24 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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DeejRC said:
Everyone minus me. I always thought they were embarrassing piles of dog poop. Appallingly awful contraptions that never worked and when they did vaguely work barely competed.
Rubbish dross.
Here's a photo of it being uncompetitive dog poop on its first WRC event



brownspeed

735 posts

131 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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If me memory serves me right- i saw a couple of these in prototype form on a rover group "rallysprint" event (remember them) at Donnington. Best sounding grp B car IMHO - a true "british" WRC entry- i.e. going about things in a different (and not alsways succesful) manner. love it.

I reckon it'll still hit production before the "new" TVR griffith does!

bumskins

1,368 posts

15 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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TGCOTF-dewey said:
All the Grp b cars were like that though. They were all hastily cobbled together and the engineers were learning.

I recall, the 6R4 was actually praised for its handling at the time, as the lack of lag meant balancing the car on the throttle was much easier, which reduced driver fatigue... But it lacked power.
Yeah, must admit the 6R4s do sound good, but the looks do naff all for me.

I'd have a Delta S4 please, twin-charged engine with fuel tanks mounted under the seats for ultra 'fear factor' when it goes wrong cloud9

J4CKO

41,554 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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The 6R4 is hugely appealing to many people, including me, more so than the other Group B cars in a lot of cases.

Wonder what it is as in a lot of cases the base car is generally derided but the 6R4 just seems to not have anything to do with a Metro, the Peugeot T16 is cool and the base car way more desirable but it isnt as cool as a 6R4, to me anyway.

I think its the stance and the fact its basically as wide as it is long.

I wonder if they could do a fairly civilized version, nice interior with some creature comforts, reasonably plaint suspension, not too loud and a nice smooth 400 or so bhp ? I cant afford it but that would be my choice, a 6R4 daily.

Ultrafunkula

997 posts

105 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Caddyshack said:
gazza285 said:
It would make more sense to put in a turbocharged four pot.
It probably would but the purists would want a v6, I wonder if the evija engine would be the option as they are available to buy in crate form?
Or maybe Audi's straight 5? Seems right somehow.

ettore

4,132 posts

252 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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J4CKO said:
The 6R4 is hugely appealing to many people, including me, more so than the other Group B cars in a lot of cases.

Wonder what it is as in a lot of cases the base car is generally derided but the 6R4 just seems to not have anything to do with a Metro, the Peugeot T16 is cool and the base car way more desirable but it isnt as cool as a 6R4, to me anyway.

I think its the stance and the fact its basically as wide as it is long.

I wonder if they could do a fairly civilized version, nice interior with some creature comforts, reasonably plaint suspension, not too loud and a nice smooth 400 or so bhp ? I cant afford it but that would be my choice, a 6R4 daily.
They're my favourite (although I also share a weakness for the 205T16). If you've ever heard one at full chat through a forest they'd also become your favourite - wonderful, spectacular and silly machines.

I like the look of this - would definitely need a V6 though - the noise is intrinsic to its appeal.

What The Deuces

2,780 posts

24 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Ultrafunkula said:
Or maybe Audi's straight 5? Seems right somehow.
Couldn't seem more wrong to me...

sjc

13,964 posts

270 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Worth googling Will Gollop 6R4 rallycross if you don’t get the appeal … golden era in the late eighties/early nineties.

Caddyshack

10,799 posts

206 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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rodericb said:
Caddyshack said:
gazza285 said:
It would make more sense to put in a turbocharged four pot.
It probably would but the purists would want a v6, I wonder if the evija engine would be the option as they are available to buy in crate form?
Evija has a motor. Unless you mean the Emira, which has an engine. But can you get that engine from Lotus? Or even Toyota in its stock form? Ford did have the V6 Ecoboost crate engine for a while: https://performanceproductstn.com/ford-racing-m-60...
I mean MST buying whatever engine Lotus is able to buy for their current Lotus range - Surely if Lotus can buy it then MST can ask too?


In theory they may also be able to buy the AMG turbo 4 pot.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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J4CKO said:
I wonder if they could do a fairly civilized version, nice interior with some creature comforts, reasonably plaint suspension, not too loud and a nice smooth 400 or so bhp ? I cant afford it but that would be my choice, a 6R4 daily.
In the same vein as the Clio V6? I could see that working. Nice leather Recaros, Saddle brown leather, Alcantara and Carbon fibre trim. A bit of machined aluminium strategically dotted about the cabin. Air con. Proper sunroof. Electric windows and the body painted in metallic BRG.

In fact, that just made it on to my fantasy lottery win car list. If they don't do it, I'd find someone who will.

Engine wise, what about Jags supercharged V6? It certainly makes all the right noises.