RE: MST blows our minds with incoming Metro 6R4
Discussion
Wulf Sternhammer said:
J4CKO said:
I wonder if they could do a fairly civilized version, nice interior with some creature comforts, reasonably plaint suspension, not too loud and a nice smooth 400 or so bhp ? I cant afford it but that would be my choice, a 6R4 daily.
In the same vein as the Clio V6? I could see that working. Nice leather Recaros, Saddle brown leather, Alcantara and Carbon fibre trim. A bit of machined aluminium strategically dotted about the cabin. Air con. Proper sunroof. Electric windows and the body painted in metallic BRG.In fact, that just made it on to my fantasy lottery win car list. If they don't do it, I'd find someone who will.
Engine wise, what about Jags supercharged V6? It certainly makes all the right noises.
Ultrafunkula said:
Caddyshack said:
gazza285 said:
It would make more sense to put in a turbocharged four pot.
It probably would but the purists would want a v6, I wonder if the evija engine would be the option as they are available to buy in crate form?gazza285 said:
Ultrafunkula said:
Caddyshack said:
gazza285 said:
It would make more sense to put in a turbocharged four pot.
It probably would but the purists would want a v6, I wonder if the evija engine would be the option as they are available to buy in crate form?Are they going to be building complete cars, or just replacement shells for owners of existing cars?
If you're trying to build a new one from scratch, there's no off-the-shelf transmission available to replicate the unique 4WD layout on these, and even a 2WD would be difficult to do in the space available. The original 6R4 isn't mid-engined; the engine sits on top of the rear axle, literally. There isn't room to have the engine in the middle with gearbox behind, so the gearbox was in front of the engine with a short offset propshaft from the transfer case to the rear diff, which was bolted to the side of the engine sump, with one driveshaft passing through the sump. You'd need an original 6R4 gearbox and transfer case, then a modified pass-through sump on whatever engine you chose to use.
The easiest route to a mid-engine Metro would be to use a transverse setup and just be RWD. I've seen one with a transverse Rover V8 on a Rover 200 Turbo gearbox in a modified MGF subframe, but the choices of transverse engine/gearbox are almost limitless.
If you're trying to build a new one from scratch, there's no off-the-shelf transmission available to replicate the unique 4WD layout on these, and even a 2WD would be difficult to do in the space available. The original 6R4 isn't mid-engined; the engine sits on top of the rear axle, literally. There isn't room to have the engine in the middle with gearbox behind, so the gearbox was in front of the engine with a short offset propshaft from the transfer case to the rear diff, which was bolted to the side of the engine sump, with one driveshaft passing through the sump. You'd need an original 6R4 gearbox and transfer case, then a modified pass-through sump on whatever engine you chose to use.
The easiest route to a mid-engine Metro would be to use a transverse setup and just be RWD. I've seen one with a transverse Rover V8 on a Rover 200 Turbo gearbox in a modified MGF subframe, but the choices of transverse engine/gearbox are almost limitless.
thegreenhell said:
Are they going to be building complete cars, or just replacement shells for owners of existing cars?
If you're trying to build a new one from scratch, there's no off-the-shelf transmission available to replicate the unique 4WD layout on these, and even a 2WD would be difficult to do in the space available. The original 6R4 isn't mid-engined; the engine sits on top of the rear axle, literally. There isn't room to have the engine in the middle with gearbox behind, so the gearbox was in front of the engine with a short offset propshaft from the transfer case to the rear diff, which was bolted to the side of the engine sump, with one driveshaft passing through the sump. You'd need an original 6R4 gearbox and transfer case, then a modified pass-through sump on whatever engine you chose to use.
The easiest route to a mid-engine Metro would be to use a transverse setup and just be RWD. I've seen one with a transverse Rover V8 on a Rover 200 Turbo gearbox in a modified MGF subframe, but the choices of transverse engine/gearbox are almost limitless.
They're using 4wd with a sequential box according to the article so they must have engineered their way round the layout. Interesting to see what their v6 will beIf you're trying to build a new one from scratch, there's no off-the-shelf transmission available to replicate the unique 4WD layout on these, and even a 2WD would be difficult to do in the space available. The original 6R4 isn't mid-engined; the engine sits on top of the rear axle, literally. There isn't room to have the engine in the middle with gearbox behind, so the gearbox was in front of the engine with a short offset propshaft from the transfer case to the rear diff, which was bolted to the side of the engine sump, with one driveshaft passing through the sump. You'd need an original 6R4 gearbox and transfer case, then a modified pass-through sump on whatever engine you chose to use.
The easiest route to a mid-engine Metro would be to use a transverse setup and just be RWD. I've seen one with a transverse Rover V8 on a Rover 200 Turbo gearbox in a modified MGF subframe, but the choices of transverse engine/gearbox are almost limitless.
Wulf Sternhammer said:
Engine wise, what about Jags supercharged V6? It certainly makes all the right noises.
It's a pretty big lump, if you are putting it in you might as well shove in the 5 litre V8 since they are the same size. They do make good noises though and can do 400bhp easily. b14 said:
Wulf Sternhammer said:
Engine wise, what about Jags supercharged V6? It certainly makes all the right noises.
It's a pretty big lump, if you are putting it in you might as well shove in the 5 litre V8 since they are the same size. They do make good noises though and can do 400bhp easily. Caddyshack said:
b14 said:
Wulf Sternhammer said:
Engine wise, what about Jags supercharged V6? It certainly makes all the right noises.
It's a pretty big lump, if you are putting it in you might as well shove in the 5 litre V8 since they are the same size. They do make good noises though and can do 400bhp easily. Wulf Sternhammer said:
J4CKO said:
I wonder if they could do a fairly civilized version, nice interior with some creature comforts, reasonably plaint suspension, not too loud and a nice smooth 400 or so bhp ? I cant afford it but that would be my choice, a 6R4 daily.
In the same vein as the Clio V6? I could see that working. Nice leather Recaros, Saddle brown leather, Alcantara and Carbon fibre trim. A bit of machined aluminium strategically dotted about the cabin. Air con. Proper sunroof. Electric windows and the body painted in metallic BRG.In fact, that just made it on to my fantasy lottery win car list. If they don't do it, I'd find someone who will.
Engine wise, what about Jags supercharged V6? It certainly makes all the right noises.
Am sure they will find a suitable engine, Mercedes do a V6 in the AMG 43 models, Lexus and Toyota still sell them, guess they will have thought of that before proceeding.
I was wondering how they do the shell, do they start with a Metro and modify it ? or panels and build it up as a 6R4
There is a great video The Late Brake Show did with someone who owns one. He does talk about how much maintenance costs and it's not cheap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it_Z6lTbSnw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it_Z6lTbSnw
TO73074E said:
There is a great video The Late Brake Show did with someone who owns one. He does talk about how much maintenance costs and it's not cheap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it_Z6lTbSnw
I seem to remember that had a different engine in it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it_Z6lTbSnw
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