RE: MST blows our minds with incoming Metro 6R4

RE: MST blows our minds with incoming Metro 6R4

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Caddyshack

10,796 posts

206 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Wulf Sternhammer said:
J4CKO said:
I wonder if they could do a fairly civilized version, nice interior with some creature comforts, reasonably plaint suspension, not too loud and a nice smooth 400 or so bhp ? I cant afford it but that would be my choice, a 6R4 daily.
In the same vein as the Clio V6? I could see that working. Nice leather Recaros, Saddle brown leather, Alcantara and Carbon fibre trim. A bit of machined aluminium strategically dotted about the cabin. Air con. Proper sunroof. Electric windows and the body painted in metallic BRG.

In fact, that just made it on to my fantasy lottery win car list. If they don't do it, I'd find someone who will.

Engine wise, what about Jags supercharged V6? It certainly makes all the right noises.
I think the engine needs to be brand new unless they get away with 1 item being refurbished? (for the registration) - I guess it boils down to who they can do a deal with to get a new engine in a crate? The jag would be a good shout though as the original had origins of the Jag engine.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Just had a look at their website for the first time ever......

Oooof! That is all.

wpa1975

8,783 posts

114 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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It will need to be a new engine to be a new car from what I understand, love these and looks a really interesting project.

normalbloke

7,450 posts

219 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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sjc said:
Worth googling Will Gollop 6R4 rallycross if you don’t get the appeal … golden era in the late eighties/early nineties.
This is what I remember, trips to Brands Hatch to watch the spectacle. The acceleration figures were quite something for the day.

LexiconUK

64 posts

155 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Gary C

12,429 posts

179 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Personally, I would have any group B car, even BX4TC or an Astra 4S (ok, I know the last one is not technically a Grp B, but I did see it in competition in its only ever outing)

Obviously I would really want a DS4 or T16 but they all are iconic cars and I love them.

gazza285

9,810 posts

208 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Ultrafunkula said:
Caddyshack said:
gazza285 said:
It would make more sense to put in a turbocharged four pot.
It probably would but the purists would want a v6, I wonder if the evija engine would be the option as they are available to buy in crate form?
Or maybe Audi's straight 5? Seems right somehow.
How much longer is the straight 5 though? Would it fit?

thegreenhell

15,329 posts

219 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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gazza285 said:
Ultrafunkula said:
Caddyshack said:
gazza285 said:
It would make more sense to put in a turbocharged four pot.
It probably would but the purists would want a v6, I wonder if the evija engine would be the option as they are available to buy in crate form?
Or maybe Audi's straight 5? Seems right somehow.
How much longer is the straight 5 though? Would it fit?
No, not a hope.

thegreenhell

15,329 posts

219 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Are they going to be building complete cars, or just replacement shells for owners of existing cars?

If you're trying to build a new one from scratch, there's no off-the-shelf transmission available to replicate the unique 4WD layout on these, and even a 2WD would be difficult to do in the space available. The original 6R4 isn't mid-engined; the engine sits on top of the rear axle, literally. There isn't room to have the engine in the middle with gearbox behind, so the gearbox was in front of the engine with a short offset propshaft from the transfer case to the rear diff, which was bolted to the side of the engine sump, with one driveshaft passing through the sump. You'd need an original 6R4 gearbox and transfer case, then a modified pass-through sump on whatever engine you chose to use.

The easiest route to a mid-engine Metro would be to use a transverse setup and just be RWD. I've seen one with a transverse Rover V8 on a Rover 200 Turbo gearbox in a modified MGF subframe, but the choices of transverse engine/gearbox are almost limitless.

What The Deuces

2,780 posts

24 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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thegreenhell said:
Are they going to be building complete cars, or just replacement shells for owners of existing cars?

If you're trying to build a new one from scratch, there's no off-the-shelf transmission available to replicate the unique 4WD layout on these, and even a 2WD would be difficult to do in the space available. The original 6R4 isn't mid-engined; the engine sits on top of the rear axle, literally. There isn't room to have the engine in the middle with gearbox behind, so the gearbox was in front of the engine with a short offset propshaft from the transfer case to the rear diff, which was bolted to the side of the engine sump, with one driveshaft passing through the sump. You'd need an original 6R4 gearbox and transfer case, then a modified pass-through sump on whatever engine you chose to use.

The easiest route to a mid-engine Metro would be to use a transverse setup and just be RWD. I've seen one with a transverse Rover V8 on a Rover 200 Turbo gearbox in a modified MGF subframe, but the choices of transverse engine/gearbox are almost limitless.
They're using 4wd with a sequential box according to the article so they must have engineered their way round the layout. Interesting to see what their v6 will be

b14

1,061 posts

188 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Wulf Sternhammer said:
Engine wise, what about Jags supercharged V6? It certainly makes all the right noises.
It's a pretty big lump, if you are putting it in you might as well shove in the 5 litre V8 since they are the same size. They do make good noises though and can do 400bhp easily.

Caddyshack

10,796 posts

206 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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b14 said:
Wulf Sternhammer said:
Engine wise, what about Jags supercharged V6? It certainly makes all the right noises.
It's a pretty big lump, if you are putting it in you might as well shove in the 5 litre V8 since they are the same size. They do make good noises though and can do 400bhp easily.
Would the engine bay be long enough for a V8? I think that was the reason they went V6 although I think there was talk of a v8 originally.

normalbloke

7,450 posts

219 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Caddyshack said:
b14 said:
Wulf Sternhammer said:
Engine wise, what about Jags supercharged V6? It certainly makes all the right noises.
It's a pretty big lump, if you are putting it in you might as well shove in the 5 litre V8 since they are the same size. They do make good noises though and can do 400bhp easily.
Would the engine bay be long enough for a V8? I think that was the reason they went V6 although I think there was talk of a v8 originally.
A Russell Savory V8, certainly..

J4CKO

41,551 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Wulf Sternhammer said:
J4CKO said:
I wonder if they could do a fairly civilized version, nice interior with some creature comforts, reasonably plaint suspension, not too loud and a nice smooth 400 or so bhp ? I cant afford it but that would be my choice, a 6R4 daily.
In the same vein as the Clio V6? I could see that working. Nice leather Recaros, Saddle brown leather, Alcantara and Carbon fibre trim. A bit of machined aluminium strategically dotted about the cabin. Air con. Proper sunroof. Electric windows and the body painted in metallic BRG.

In fact, that just made it on to my fantasy lottery win car list. If they don't do it, I'd find someone who will.

Engine wise, what about Jags supercharged V6? It certainly makes all the right noises.
Yep, sounds about what I was thinking, kind of more in the Singer Porsche sort of mold more than a competition car, the latter being probably the biggest target market I would imagine ? But so appealing to have a 6R4 that you could drive every day and it not send you insane.

Am sure they will find a suitable engine, Mercedes do a V6 in the AMG 43 models, Lexus and Toyota still sell them, guess they will have thought of that before proceeding.

I was wondering how they do the shell, do they start with a Metro and modify it ? or panels and build it up as a 6R4


Skodapondy

286 posts

48 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Never mind how they are doing it with whatever engine and 4WD arrangements (A V6 of course) . I'm celebrating the fact they ARE doing it.

TO73074E

414 posts

27 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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There is a great video The Late Brake Show did with someone who owns one. He does talk about how much maintenance costs and it's not cheap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it_Z6lTbSnw


wpa1975

8,783 posts

114 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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TO73074E said:
There is a great video The Late Brake Show did with someone who owns one. He does talk about how much maintenance costs and it's not cheap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it_Z6lTbSnw
I seem to remember that had a different engine in it.

sdiggle

182 posts

90 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Yes please. Excellent idea which I hope is as successful as their Escort based products.

Zenzz

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66 posts

105 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Does it get any better?

mat205125

17,790 posts

213 months

Wednesday 22nd March 2023
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Impossible for me to think of anything cooler than this at the moment.

Biggest choice would be choosing the livery and spec to go for.