RE: 2023 Jaguar F-Type R 75 | PH Review
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Ray_Aber said:
oilit said:
£102k wow!!
I’ve always loved the rear end of these… but not at these prices
Well, a Porsche 992 Carrera 4 with similar colour (met.red), leather, seats and hifi, is £103.6k. However, that car has 385hp; the Jag has 575hp. So when you mean "these prices", why are you singling out Jaguar for a price that seems quite reasonable compared to an alternative? I’ve always loved the rear end of these… but not at these prices
Edited by oilit on Monday 27th March 08:01
SydneyBridge said:
I hope I am wrong but Jaguar are screwed
I'm inclined to agree... https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/exclus...I've got a P575 and I bought it instead of a 992, so its a fair comparison. The 575bhp, noise, looks (mine's metallic green) and easygoing, amiable musclecar/GT nature tipped the balance over the porker. As the article points out at the end, it does what most of us actually want from this type of car extremely well. Mine is my normal smoker rather than a track day warrior so GT4 comparison somewhat specious really - this is a decent daily that is perfect for a nice long run to the south of France and back, as well as offering daft pace and noise for a laugh every now and again.
Anyway, they're now gone which is understandable but a real shame. They've sold perfectly reasonably over the model cycle but I don't think JLR have ever really invested properly in the platform in the way that Porsche repeatedly does. They should have taken it racing rather than wasting time on Formula E - the SVR and Project 7 are interesting but a bit half-hearted. If they'd iterated it more aggressively I think it hadthe potential for a lot more.
I doubt I'll replace it directly, it may even be worth keeping as one of the last of this type of car.
Anyway, they're now gone which is understandable but a real shame. They've sold perfectly reasonably over the model cycle but I don't think JLR have ever really invested properly in the platform in the way that Porsche repeatedly does. They should have taken it racing rather than wasting time on Formula E - the SVR and Project 7 are interesting but a bit half-hearted. If they'd iterated it more aggressively I think it hadthe potential for a lot more.
I doubt I'll replace it directly, it may even be worth keeping as one of the last of this type of car.
Edited by ettore on Monday 27th March 10:44
Ray_Aber said:
oilit said:
£102k wow!!
I’ve always loved the rear end of these… but not at these prices
Well, a Porsche 992 Carrera 4 with similar colour (met.red), leather, seats and hifi, is £103.6k. However, that car has 385hp; the Jag has 575hp. So when you mean "these prices", why are you singling out Jaguar for a price that seems quite reasonable compared to an alternative? I’ve always loved the rear end of these… but not at these prices
Edited by oilit on Monday 27th March 08:01
It is a very good system!
But it is flawed (or was) by the need to reflect what are often the opinions of those above who allow a view to become default. So the classic mistake was to put a load of factors into the system, put in a competitors and say 'look, we are x% better so are good value in comparison because we are the best car company in the world and everyone wants our cars.' Now no one wants to contradict the boss and tell them the brand is lost and the styling lousy or reputation poor, so the pricing is put in place based on criteria but fail to take enough account of brand, reputation, the human side to car purchasing. You could put a factor in the system, but it required you to explain your decision to the higher ups!
Put simply, only the very smallest group of consumers know enough to sit down with two brochures and complete their own version of the JATO analysis to show the conclusion that the analytics system reaches, so instead we react irrationally, acting as much with our hearts as with our heads.
So yes the Jag is good value against the Porsche, but rightly or wrongly would not most people take the Porsche?
I've got a P450 AWD and absolutely love it, no it's not a true sports car like a Cayman or even a 911 but it's still a superb car, makes a great noise, handles well enough, even with the AWD it's still rear biased so it's fun but without being as challenging in the wet as the early RWD cars. Above all though it just has an intangible quality in it's ability to make you smile when you're in it, I always look forward to driving it and it makes every drive feel special, yes i'm sure that there are cars that in that 1% of time when you're at ten tenths have abilities beyond what the Jag does but for the 99% of the time I couldn't think of many other cars I'd rather be driving. Shame to see them go
CarlosSainz100 said:
Why does it say the ice is archaic? I thought all jags now had pivi pro?
The F-Type is still on the previous infotainment, the F-Pace has Pivi ProI'd say the infotainment is 'adequate' it has android auto & apple car play which I and I'm sure most others use most of the time but the standard Jag setup has most things you'd want, the Nav is decent etc
Krikkit said:
You're not wrong, Tata have allowed Jaguar to die despite the rude health it was in when they took it from Ford.
They positioned Jaguar ever lower in the market, in their search for volume. Dropping V6 and V8 for I4s and making themselves compete with upscale Koreans, when in reality they should have positioned themselves on the upper end of the three Germans.Ps also wish that Jag could have given the F-Type a bit more of a deserving send off, at the very least offer the same shade of purple that was offered on the questionable F-Pace Le Mans edition or whatever it was. Perhaps there is something SVO related still to come? #EverTheOptimist
Numeric - you're right; most people would - and do - take the Porsche.
I would not. I prefer the emotion (looks, sound) that the Jaguar brings, and would therefore go for that. But that's me. Many people buy a car based on its badge. I buy cars based on the car, not the badge. But that's just me.
In the early days of its existence, an Aston Martin V8 Vantage was closer in spirit to the Jaguar than the Porsche 991; ditto the Maserati GranTurismo. Both had a bellowing V8 and Grand Tourer credentials (if perhaps not aspirations, in Aston's case; I think they thought their car was a genuine 997 competitor when released).
I wish Jaguar had properly invested in the F-Type, but as the world moves towards SUVs as a default choice (not for me), it's not hard to see why Jaguar(a) didn't, and (b) are struggling so much. Add the brand issue, plus reputational issues on reliability, and it's going to be one hell of a corporate turnaround to save that marque.
I would not. I prefer the emotion (looks, sound) that the Jaguar brings, and would therefore go for that. But that's me. Many people buy a car based on its badge. I buy cars based on the car, not the badge. But that's just me.
In the early days of its existence, an Aston Martin V8 Vantage was closer in spirit to the Jaguar than the Porsche 991; ditto the Maserati GranTurismo. Both had a bellowing V8 and Grand Tourer credentials (if perhaps not aspirations, in Aston's case; I think they thought their car was a genuine 997 competitor when released).
I wish Jaguar had properly invested in the F-Type, but as the world moves towards SUVs as a default choice (not for me), it's not hard to see why Jaguar(a) didn't, and (b) are struggling so much. Add the brand issue, plus reputational issues on reliability, and it's going to be one hell of a corporate turnaround to save that marque.
NJJ said:
Ps also wish that Jag could have given the F-Type a bit more of a deserving send off, at the very least offer the same shade of purple that was offered on the questionable F-Pace Le Mans edition or whatever it was. Perhaps there is something SVO related still to come? #EverTheOptimist
...or the amazing shade of purple on Harry Metcalfe's Project 8? I'd also say that contrary to what I've seen on forums about Jag's reliability I've now had 3 F-Types and not had a single problem with any of them, which isn't something I could say about any other brand of car I've had. obviously that's just my personal experience but I find it hard to reconcile that with what the internet tells me it should be like i.e. constant misery and pain
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