RE: Fisker Ocean Extreme promises up to 440 WLTP miles

RE: Fisker Ocean Extreme promises up to 440 WLTP miles

Monday 27th March 2023

Fisker Ocean Extreme promises up to 440 WLTP miles

Might EV range anxiety in a family SUV be a thing of the past? Fisker thinks it has something...


Even allowing for the same quirks that plague WLTP EV tests as do ICE ones, the bigger the number the better is a safe rule of thumb for electric cars. More range means less time charging, and even if the majority of that is at home, being able to avoid public chargers at any point must be a good thing. And while more range is typically achieved through a bigger battery (and therefore more weight), a few more kilos on another SUV doesn’t seem the end of the world for the convenience.

Fisker is the latest manufacturer to make a big range claim for its electric SUV, the Extreme version of its new Ocean having scored an impressive 440 miles on the WLTP test. We don’t know of another comparable electric car, be it a long range Mach E, Tesla, VW MEB spin off, BMW i car or a Kia/Hyundai E-GMP product, that has yet got through 400 on WLTP - unless we’ve missed one. Even allowing for the fact that real world use never matches the claim, it’s a big number, surely enough for 300 or so in everyday use. The battery size isn't confirmed yet, funnily enough.

Interestingly, Fisker says the Ocean Extreme’s range means the car is ‘capable of potentially driving’ from London to Glasgow on one charge ‘with range to spare’; Google Maps says that’s 404 miles at it shortest, which would explain the caveats. But where most senior EVs will give you a reliable 200 miles before thinking about charge, it seems that the Ocean will up that quite significantly. Peak charging of 250kW will get you back on the road again pretty quick, too.

“From the beginning, we planned the Fisker Ocean to deliver the highest level of design, sustainability, innovation, usability, and range. We created a fantastic five-passenger vehicle, offering our buyers range confidence and convenience in every trip,” Henrik Fisker said. “This achievement is a major milestone for everyone at Fisker, and we are delighted the range exceeds our initial calculations,” he added.

Fisker says European homologation is expected by the end of April, with deliveries to commence after that. The first European Fisker Centres will open after Easter in Vienna and Copenhagen, with more to follow during 2023. And the configurator says an Ocean will be priced from £50k - consider us intrigued for what comes next.


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Undercover McNoName

Original Poster:

1,349 posts

165 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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Strange that the article doesn't mention the battery size, as usable battery and aero are the most important things to EV range.

ChrisCh86

850 posts

44 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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Is the standard version of the Fisker Ocean out in the US and is it any good?

I've seen plenty of adverts for these, but it's not a known brand yet in the European market.

damonbill

191 posts

245 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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Cant remember where I heard it but I like a summation of of someone testing an electric car for the first time: is isnt range anxiety, its charging anxiety. The range is actually fine, and not that far behind petrol cars (maybe not 1000 mile diesel audis etc), and more than enough for 95% of journeys . The anxiety is relying on crappy charging infrastructure. Sort that and for most situations you'd be fine

Pica-Pica

13,784 posts

84 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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damonbill said:
Cant remember where I heard it but I like a summation of of someone testing an electric car for the first time: is isnt range anxiety, its charging anxiety. The range is actually fine, and not that far behind petrol cars (maybe not 1000 mile diesel audis etc), and more than enough for 95% of journeys . The anxiety is relying on crappy charging infrastructure. Sort that and for most situations you'd be fine
Surely range anxiety and charge anxiety are two sides of the same coin?

Pica-Pica

13,784 posts

84 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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damonbill said:
Cant remember where I heard it but I like a summation of of someone testing an electric car for the first time: is isnt range anxiety, its charging anxiety. The range is actually fine, and not that far behind petrol cars (maybe not 1000 mile diesel audis etc), and more than enough for 95% of journeys . The anxiety is relying on crappy charging infrastructure. Sort that and for most situations you'd be fine
Surely range anxiety and charge anxiety are two sides of the same coin?

Greedydog

889 posts

195 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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Great, I love it. Just one thing with this and other direct to customer sales models, where do I get it serviced or take it for repair? Or will there be franchises?

Edited to add, I’m assuming the mentioned sales centres will be few and far between.

vikingaero

10,331 posts

169 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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So 350 summer miles and 280 winter miles on Planet Earth?

IanJ9375

1,468 posts

216 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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Greedydog said:
Great, I love it. Just one thing with this and other direct to customer sales models, where do I get it serviced or take it for repair? Or will there be franchises?

Edited to add, I’m assuming the mentioned sales centres will be few and far between.
Everything we know so far about servicing/repair etc - https://fiskerati.com/fisker-ocean/what-you-need-t...


Now crack on Lex and get it on the company car portal lol


Edited by IanJ9375 on Monday 27th March 13:20

vikingaero

10,331 posts

169 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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IanJ9375 said:
Greedydog said:
Great, I love it. Just one thing with this and other direct to customer sales models, where do I get it serviced or take it for repair? Or will there be franchises?

Edited to add, I’m assuming the mentioned sales centres will be few and far between.
Everything we know so far about servicing/repair etc - https://fiskerati.com/fisker-ocean/what-you-need-t...


Now crack on Lex and get it on the company car portal lol


Edited by IanJ9375 on Monday 27th March 13:20
Looking at the European garage partnerships, it looks like Kwik-Fit will be on the cards for servicing UK Fiskers! biggrin

Robigus

38 posts

232 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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IanJ9375 said:
Everything we know so far about servicing/repair etc - https://fiskerati.com/fisker-ocean/what-you-need-t...


Now crack on Lex and get it on the company car portal lol


Edited by IanJ9375 on Monday 27th March 13:20
"Fisker will not be constructing dealerships, rather Experience Centers."

Quite a lot of sick came up when I read that.

Edited by Robigus on Monday 27th March 13:32

V8 FOU

2,974 posts

147 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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Hmmmm.
So buying a car now the decision is made on its range. Not whether it is any good or suitable for purpose. Like buying a petrol car by the size of the petrol tank. Yea, more petrol stations, ease of filling I know.

IanJ9375

1,468 posts

216 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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vikingaero said:
Looking at the European garage partnerships, it looks like Kwik-Fit will be on the cards for servicing UK Fiskers! biggrin
Luckily I think our Kwik Fit is pretty decent - our Lex BMW goes there for tyres and MOT - I guess an EV doesn't need more than that in general until something goes wrong and then they would mobile service tech you as my pal had for his Tesla the other day "Oh don't worry we don't need you there we can get in it and do what we need without you" lol

Undercover McNoName

Original Poster:

1,349 posts

165 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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Robigus said:
"Fisker will not be constructing dealerships, rather Experience Centers."

Quite a lot of sick came up when I read that.

Edited by Robigus on Monday 27th March 13:32
Why?

Evo Sean

228 posts

166 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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Is that the official return of the 3 spoke wheel? How very retro!

pycraft

778 posts

184 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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Ah, they should bring back the Karma. Keep the looks, just make it fast and reliable.

Was overtaken by one on the 405 in California a few years back and it looked astonishing.

Numeric

1,396 posts

151 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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Pica-Pica said:
damonbill said:
Cant remember where I heard it but I like a summation of of someone testing an electric car for the first time: is isnt range anxiety, its charging anxiety. The range is actually fine, and not that far behind petrol cars (maybe not 1000 mile diesel audis etc), and more than enough for 95% of journeys . The anxiety is relying on crappy charging infrastructure. Sort that and for most situations you'd be fine
Surely range anxiety and charge anxiety are two sides of the same coin?
And the incredible failure of the Auto industry to club together and sort this boggles my mind. But instead we get the suggestion that the government should 'do something', these are shareholder companies expecting the UK tax payer to subsidize their business model.

And of course the issue is that having the right number of chargers is difficult. For two months of the year Cornwall is inundated with tourists, imagine installing the required number of chargers for them that then sit idle for the other 10 months, after all you wouldn't build a petrol station for two months use a year I guess, while it's also not helped by the assumption that putting a car on a charger and then heading off shopping for a few hours is acceptable.

Teething troubles though, I mean how many people really knock out hundreds of miles a day (I often do but I know i'm not normal)?


Missy Charm

746 posts

28 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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'more range means less time charging'?

Does not compute.

More range means more time charging.

Greedydog

889 posts

195 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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vikingaero said:
IanJ9375 said:
Greedydog said:
Great, I love it. Just one thing with this and other direct to customer sales models, where do I get it serviced or take it for repair? Or will there be franchises?

Edited to add, I’m assuming the mentioned sales centres will be few and far between.
Everything we know so far about servicing/repair etc - https://fiskerati.com/fisker-ocean/what-you-need-t...


Now crack on Lex and get it on the company car portal lol


Edited by IanJ9375 on Monday 27th March 13:20
Looking at the European garage partnerships, it looks like Kwik-Fit will be on the cards for servicing UK Fiskers! biggrin
I’m not one for fancy dealerships and free coffee,but if I’m paying 60-70k for a car I will be wanting it picked up and returned for servicing, and a secure location with parts and support and courtesy vehicles for it to be transported to if it breaks down…. Kwik Fit doesn’t strike me as a good fit for that!

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

253 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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Missy Charm said:
'more range means less time charging'?

Does not compute.

More range means more time charging.
No it doesn't.

Most charging is done when you're not with the car. Ideally, when you're asleep. If you've got a longer range, and you're mostly starting the day with a full battery, then you're less likely to need to charge whilst you're out. Meaning you're not occupying any shared infrastructure.


Johnny G Pipe

267 posts

228 months

Monday 27th March 2023
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Yes indeed. Travel the 400 miles to visit your parents in scotland and spend 4 days charging it off of a three pin plug and extension cable.

Not sure if its a ‘comparable vehicle’ but are lucid air not claiming 500+ miles?