RE: Uncertainty over EU ICE ban resolved
Discussion
Wab1974uk said:
Nomme de Plum said:
wildatheart said:
The sad part about this 'progress' is that when you follow the money, you soon realise that CO2 driven 'climate change' is one. giant. scam.
Do have some authoritive evidence to validate your assertion?Nomme de Plum said:
So basically no.
It is customary for a person making an assertion rather than stating an opinion to provide some evidence.
Must confess to being confused - on the ulez thread you seem to be one of the most critical, asserting that it will make no difference to pollution It is customary for a person making an assertion rather than stating an opinion to provide some evidence.
Are you for continued use of the ICE but against calling restrictions a scam generally
My question is, what will happen to fuel retail in Britain in the next 10 yrs? What will be the 'fulcrum point' of EV ownership as a % before its not economic for as many fuel stations to operate as they now do?
Provision of charging infrastructure already looks massively better than it did, although there is room for improvement. The more EVs there are, the better it will get as there will be demand, and the better it is, the more waverers will be encouraged to abandon ICE, so a parabolic uptake.
At what point will the govt start turning the screw on fuel prices for a final prod? They know we can take £2 a litre...
Provision of charging infrastructure already looks massively better than it did, although there is room for improvement. The more EVs there are, the better it will get as there will be demand, and the better it is, the more waverers will be encouraged to abandon ICE, so a parabolic uptake.
At what point will the govt start turning the screw on fuel prices for a final prod? They know we can take £2 a litre...
menousername said:
Nomme de Plum said:
So basically no.
It is customary for a person making an assertion rather than stating an opinion to provide some evidence.
Must confess to being confused - on the ulez thread you seem to be one of the most critical, asserting that it will make no difference to pollution It is customary for a person making an assertion rather than stating an opinion to provide some evidence.
Are you for continued use of the ICE but against calling restrictions a scam generally
There are 2x “Nom de”
1x plum and 1x jour
RichardR said:
The Article said:
This law looked like a forgone conclusion, right up until the point that Germany’s transport minister – or as we’ve named him, the caped crusader – Volker Wissing piped up and said ‘up with this I will not put,’ or words to that effect, said in German.
Anyway, it caused a bit of a domino effect. Once Wissing had spoken out, Italy, Poland and various other states stood behind Germany and that caused all sorts of ructions around the EU Commission.
Imagine having a transport minister who stands up for motorists and the automotive industry! Anyway, it caused a bit of a domino effect. Once Wissing had spoken out, Italy, Poland and various other states stood behind Germany and that caused all sorts of ructions around the EU Commission.
No, I can't either. 
The Article said:
Don’t think you’ll be able to buy a new ICE car after the EU ban and stop for a cheeky splash and dash of unleaded.
The first thing this brought to mind was something along the lines of red diesel, with a dye being added to unleaded and inspectors dipping your tank or examining your injectors for any sign of illicit unleaded use! 
Of course, the legislators will rely on technology to provide the answer (if they figure out how to make it work and until it breaks)!Maybe this will encourage manufacturers, who'll be continuing to make ICE vehicles for other markets, to maintain a supply to the EU and UK so the demand for E-fuels could help to drive manufacturing capacity up and prices down. It does, after all, seem highly profligate to simply bin a technology that's been consistently refine, enhanced and improved over the last 100+ years.
How will Germany compete with ever more cost effective EVs coming from China? That's going to go down well with the mass public isn't if they prevented are from accessing the Chinese market.
E fuel will be inn short supply and only affordable by the well healed.
In the last 100 years we have got to the dizzy heights of 40% efficiency for a petrol engine. Flogging a dead horse comes to mind.
Are you not keen on the idea of taking pollution out of our cities?
Edited by Nomme de Plum on Tuesday 28th March 17:36
menousername said:
Nomme de Plum said:
So basically no.
It is customary for a person making an assertion rather than stating an opinion to provide some evidence.
Must confess to being confused - on the ulez thread you seem to be one of the most critical, asserting that it will make no difference to pollution It is customary for a person making an assertion rather than stating an opinion to provide some evidence.
Are you for continued use of the ICE but against calling restrictions a scam generally
I'm against the general use of ICEs going forward as a means of personal transportation largely due to the health hazard they are..
I accept that not only ICE cars will need to be removed from London. All forms of transport will need to be emission free.
EVs are so much more pleasant to drive and are still in their infancy.
Robertb said:
My question is, what will happen to fuel retail in Britain in the next 10 yrs? What will be the 'fulcrum point' of EV ownership as a % before its not economic for as many fuel stations to operate as they now do?
Provision of charging infrastructure already looks massively better than it did, although there is room for improvement. The more EVs there are, the better it will get as there will be demand, and the better it is, the more waverers will be encouraged to abandon ICE, so a parabolic uptake.
At what point will the govt start turning the screw on fuel prices for a final prod? They know we can take £2 a litre...
IMO:Provision of charging infrastructure already looks massively better than it did, although there is room for improvement. The more EVs there are, the better it will get as there will be demand, and the better it is, the more waverers will be encouraged to abandon ICE, so a parabolic uptake.
At what point will the govt start turning the screw on fuel prices for a final prod? They know we can take £2 a litre...
Fuel stations will become more automated. Possibly switched to a combination of electric fast-charging and pumps.
Difficult to read future petrol/diesel prices. On the one hand, Govt want to get people away from it. On the other hand, the poorest in society can't afford EV/Hybrids so rely on older ICE-powered vehicles.
There is also the question of transport not suited to electrical power - notably trucks. They will still need diesel at a sensible rate to keep goods moving.
Muzzer79 said:
Robertb said:
My question is, what will happen to fuel retail in Britain in the next 10 yrs? What will be the 'fulcrum point' of EV ownership as a % before its not economic for as many fuel stations to operate as they now do?
Provision of charging infrastructure already looks massively better than it did, although there is room for improvement. The more EVs there are, the better it will get as there will be demand, and the better it is, the more waverers will be encouraged to abandon ICE, so a parabolic uptake.
At what point will the govt start turning the screw on fuel prices for a final prod? They know we can take £2 a litre...
IMO:Provision of charging infrastructure already looks massively better than it did, although there is room for improvement. The more EVs there are, the better it will get as there will be demand, and the better it is, the more waverers will be encouraged to abandon ICE, so a parabolic uptake.
At what point will the govt start turning the screw on fuel prices for a final prod? They know we can take £2 a litre...
Fuel stations will become more automated. Possibly switched to a combination of electric fast-charging and pumps.
Difficult to read future petrol/diesel prices. On the one hand, Govt want to get people away from it. On the other hand, the poorest in society can't afford EV/Hybrids so rely on older ICE-powered vehicles.
There is also the question of transport not suited to electrical power - notably trucks. They will still need diesel at a sensible rate to keep goods moving.
MustangGT said:
D4rez said:
It’s zero at the tailpipe, which disqualifies anything like hydrogen ice or e-fuel. Reason being NOx, particulates etc
Why would it rule out hydrogen? The only emission is water, no NOx at all.Nomme de Plum said:
So basically no.
It is customary for a person making an assertion rather than stating an opinion to provide some evidence.
And what is your evidence? The telly told me !!It is customary for a person making an assertion rather than stating an opinion to provide some evidence.
It's always funny that the people screaming for evidence are always the ones who's only point of research is turning on the BBC news.
Go look at Cloud seeding. But you won't.
Chemtrails are a conspiracy theory !!!. While ignoring the chemtrails above their own head.
Anyway, climate change should have killed us all years ago. Yet nothing happens. But it will next time. The telly said so !
Edited by Wab1974uk on Tuesday 28th March 17:55
Edited by Wab1974uk on Tuesday 28th March 17:56
Edited by Wab1974uk on Tuesday 28th March 17:56
D4rez said:
kambites said:
I'm pretty sure our proposed ban IS technology agnostic - it simply states that cars must be zero emission at point of use. How that is to be achieved is not specified.
It’s zero at the tailpipe, which disqualifies anything like hydrogen ice or e-fuel. Reason being NOx, particulates etcWab1974uk said:
Nomme de Plum said:
So basically no.
It is customary for a person making an assertion rather than stating an opinion to provide some evidence.
And what is your evidence? The telly told meIt is customary for a person making an assertion rather than stating an opinion to provide some evidence.
My evidence for what? You made an assertion not me.
You have been caught out my a number of posters so we have no reason to take you seriously.
You can hold what ever opinions you choose but that is the limit of what they are. Opinions.
Wab1974uk said:
Snipped
Anyway, climate change should have killed us all years ago. Yet nothing happens. But it will next time. The telly said so !
If you wish to discuss climate change may I respectfully ask you do so in the appropriate thread.Anyway, climate change should have killed us all years ago. Yet nothing happens. But it will next time. The telly said so !
Edited by Wab1974uk on Tuesday 28th March 17:55
Edited by Wab1974uk on Tuesday 28th March 17:56
Edited by Wab1974uk on Tuesday 28th March 17:56
This thread is a discussion with regard to the EU's position wrt ICEs and fossil fuels and possible replacement e-fuels.
Muzzer79 said:
Wab1974uk said:
Nomme de Plum said:
wildatheart said:
The sad part about this 'progress' is that when you follow the money, you soon realise that CO2 driven 'climate change' is one. giant. scam.
Do have some authoritive evidence to validate your assertion?
Wab1974 - I think that JFK was shot by aliens. There's lots of evidence out there, go and research it and you'll agree with me.
355spider said:
I asked this in another thread, but went unanswered.
This efuel, Will classics even be able to run on the stuff without damage ?
I ask because I’m not even supposed to use e10 in my f355, let alone a mixture which is a decade away
The impression I got from an article about the Porsche e fuel is yes, you will be able to run an existing ICE car on it with no modification. This efuel, Will classics even be able to run on the stuff without damage ?
I ask because I’m not even supposed to use e10 in my f355, let alone a mixture which is a decade away
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff