2 stroke engines for the public - should we ban them?
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Of course not.
A 2-stroke dirtbike or kart engine uses a lot less resources to build and doesn't blow itself up anywhere near as catastrophically as a 4-stroke engine would. They're used for a hundreth the hours per year that a car is.
If you don't like the haze and smoke, you can use or recommend a JASO FD oil mixed at 32:1-50:1 depending on application rather than the randomoil mixed at 16:1.
A 2-stroke dirtbike or kart engine uses a lot less resources to build and doesn't blow itself up anywhere near as catastrophically as a 4-stroke engine would. They're used for a hundreth the hours per year that a car is.
If you don't like the haze and smoke, you can use or recommend a JASO FD oil mixed at 32:1-50:1 depending on application rather than the randomoil mixed at 16:1.
blueST said:
This what bugs me about this country. No tolerance. We live in a small country and there are going to be times when you have to be near people doing something you don’t like. If we all asked for everything that annoyed us to be banned no one would be able to do anything. If the bikes are being ridden legally and you still don’t like it, find somewhere else to walk. There a plenty of footpath not open the motor vehicles.
Well said.tamore said:
then you get someone who has got hold of a felled tree hacking it up with a chainsaw all day. serenaded by a 2 stroke engine. lovely.
You won’t be going for any walks in the Peak District if all of the fallen trees just get left on the paths after each storm! Battery powered chainsaws might be fine for the odd bit of gardening, but not so much for anyone who has to do this kind of work as their day job. Whilst the noise of a two stroke all day long in a built up area can be a bit annoying, I’m not sure that it is such a big issue that we need an outright ban, especially until there is a viable alternative for all uses.Edited by tamore on Friday 31st March 07:52
It is a slippery slope when we ban things we don’t like. Why don’t we just try to be a bit tolerant of each other and accept that some people need to do, or like doing different things. So long as it isn’t a massive impact on our lives, be happy for them to get on with it.
Venisonpie said:
B'stard Child said:
OK we know where you stand - is there any point in discussion
RG250F owner with 350 YPVS engine so the answer for me is no
Is that a Yamagamma or a Gamaha?RG250F owner with 350 YPVS engine so the answer for me is no
Was a popular conversion back in the day.
blueST said:
This what bugs me about this country. No tolerance. We live in a small country and there are going to be times when you have to be near people doing something you don’t like. If we all asked for everything that annoyed us to be banned no one would be able to do anything. If the bikes are being ridden legally and you still don’t like it, find somewhere else to walk. There a plenty of footpath not open the motor vehicles.
Especially since people with exactly that attitude gutted historical access rights through the NERC act.Also, noisy chainsaws? Guess what, the countryside is a working environment, not some prepackaged theme park that only exists for people's leisure.
LimaDelta said:
Join us tomorrow for our next instalment of "lets ban things I don't like".
Indeed. Can we ban people quimming about engine noise on a car forum? 
I'd wager a lot of us ended up where we are today because of a 2 stroke... mopeds, 125's, gokarts etc.. I love the smell of 2 stroke and miss it in my life.
sparkythecat said:
Johnspex said:
What do you suggest we use as fuel for chainsaws, strimmers, hedge trimmers, leaf blowers and so on? Wouldn't a 4stroke be much heavier and not so high revving thus requiring a gearbox to get the necessary blade speed which would bring more wait?
Battery powered garden tools are the answer. They're getting better all the time.
Bloody hell. Did I really spell weight as wait? What a knob
blueST said:
This what bugs me about this country. No tolerance. We live in a small country and there are going to be times when you have to be near people doing something you don’t like. If we all asked for everything that annoyed us to be banned no one would be able to do anything. If the bikes are being ridden legally and you still don’t like it, find somewhere else to walk. There a plenty of footpath not open the motor vehicles.
This what bugs me about this country. The total lack of consideration for others. We live in a small country and there are too many people who think they can do what they like regardless of the effect on others. If we all did as we liked everyone's life would be hell, woodburners taking us back to the Victorian smogs and kids with breathing problems, noise from parties and motorbikes all day and all night, dirt bikes tearing up bridleways in a way horses and walkers never did. There a plenty of roads for the motor vehicles.Piston Ted said:
blueST said:
This what bugs me about this country. No tolerance. We live in a small country and there are going to be times when you have to be near people doing something you don’t like. If we all asked for everything that annoyed us to be banned no one would be able to do anything. If the bikes are being ridden legally and you still don’t like it, find somewhere else to walk. There a plenty of footpath not open the motor vehicles.
Well said.When that happens in an overcrowded little island such as ours there's little wonder that people repeatedly piss other people off.
The smell of 2 strokes immediately takes me back to happy days on holiday in the Greek islands where everyone (me included) puttered about on little scooters. Will always love it for that reason 
In the UK the noise, especially at night, can be a bit anti social and pretty much all 2 stroke motor vehicles are associated with a certain type of happy go lucky pillar of the community cheeky chappie. On the other hand at least you can hear them coming up behind you unlike these electric jobbies, and also as already pointed out 2 strokes still have a legitimate use in forestry etc.
You can’t ban them until there is a totally satisfactory replacement, just like diesel engines in HGVs and so on.
In the UK the noise, especially at night, can be a bit anti social and pretty much all 2 stroke motor vehicles are associated with a certain type of happy go lucky pillar of the community cheeky chappie. On the other hand at least you can hear them coming up behind you unlike these electric jobbies, and also as already pointed out 2 strokes still have a legitimate use in forestry etc.
You can’t ban them until there is a totally satisfactory replacement, just like diesel engines in HGVs and so on.
blueST said:
This what bugs me about this country. No tolerance. We live in a small country and there are going to be times when you have to be near people doing something you don’t like. If we all asked for everything that annoyed us to be banned no one would be able to do anything. If the bikes are being ridden legally and you still don’t like it, find somewhere else to walk. There a plenty of footpath not open the motor vehicles.
But this goes two ways. I used to live in the peaks (now N Yorks Moors) and love a 2 stroke Enduro. Unfortunately, there's enough idiots on Enduro bikes that fit a race can and have zero respect for other trail users or the trail.
So what you get is trails that are trashed and folks that are sick of hearing loud cans and being close passed at 40-50mph in a could of dust or splatter of mud.
I've lost count of the number of times this happened to me, and I've seen first hand how walkers on a shared trail treat an electric trials rider vs a stink wheel trials rider becuase of this idiot minority.
This group will ruin it for everyone...is ruining it for everyone.
This includes the 4x4 dick heads who deliberately find the biggest mud hole to get stuck in so they can play winching - making the mud hole deeper and wider in the process.
tamore said:
the reason for my comments is experience of living in the peak district, which is absolutely inundated with dirt bikes at the weekends.
nothing spoils a nice walk in the hills like the stink of 2 stroke hanging in the air as a line of dirt bikes go past, accompanied by the irritating noise they make. don't get me wrong, i get exploring on dirt bikes, but just think there could be a better way of propelling them
then you get someone who has got hold of a felled tree hacking it up with a chainsaw all day. serenaded by a 2 stroke engine. lovely.
Ahhh, you're one of those NIMBYs that would move next to a race circuit, then petition the council to shut it down on the grounds of 'noise pollution' or whatever other pathetic gripe you have with it. Strange person...nothing spoils a nice walk in the hills like the stink of 2 stroke hanging in the air as a line of dirt bikes go past, accompanied by the irritating noise they make. don't get me wrong, i get exploring on dirt bikes, but just think there could be a better way of propelling them
then you get someone who has got hold of a felled tree hacking it up with a chainsaw all day. serenaded by a 2 stroke engine. lovely.
Edited by tamore on Friday 31st March 07:52
IJWS15 said:
blueST said:
This what bugs me about this country. No tolerance. We live in a small country and there are going to be times when you have to be near people doing something you don’t like. If we all asked for everything that annoyed us to be banned no one would be able to do anything. If the bikes are being ridden legally and you still don’t like it, find somewhere else to walk. There a plenty of footpath not open the motor vehicles.
This what bugs me about this country. The total lack of consideration for others. We live in a small country and there are too many people who think they can do what they like regardless of the effect on others. If we all did as we liked everyone's life would be hell, woodburners taking us back to the Victorian smogs and kids with breathing problems, noise from parties and motorbikes all day and all night, dirt bikes tearing up bridleways in a way horses and walkers never did. There a plenty of roads for the motor vehicles.JAMSXR said:
tamore said:
should 2 stroke engined vehicles/ tools/ etc be banned for the public? the answer is yes by the way.
Do you fly, consume luxury products, eat meat.. shall we ban all of those things? You do also realise something current like a KTM TPI only produced 64.7 CO2 g/km…..
“ The all-new fuel-injected two-stroke (“TPI”) enduro models introduced by both KTM and Husqvarna for 2018 come with a long list of claimed benefits: reduced fuel consumption, automatic elevation compensation, enhanced rideability and performance, reduced emissions, smooth engine behavior, reduced fuel evaporation”
tamore said:
the reason for my comments is experience of living in the peak district, which is absolutely inundated with dirt bikes at the weekends.
nothing spoils a nice walk in the hills like the stink of 2 stroke hanging in the air as a line of dirt bikes go past, accompanied by the irritating noise they make. don't get me wrong, i get exploring on dirt bikes, but just think there could be a better way of propelling them
then you get someone who has got hold of a felled tree hacking it up with a chainsaw all day. serenaded by a 2 stroke engine. lovely.
Bloody reckless walkers, wandering up and down the Peaks eroding the hills, leaving litter, trespassing on land you're not supposed to be on, you're a bloody menace.nothing spoils a nice walk in the hills like the stink of 2 stroke hanging in the air as a line of dirt bikes go past, accompanied by the irritating noise they make. don't get me wrong, i get exploring on dirt bikes, but just think there could be a better way of propelling them
then you get someone who has got hold of a felled tree hacking it up with a chainsaw all day. serenaded by a 2 stroke engine. lovely.
bumskins said:
tamore said:
the reason for my comments is experience of living in the peak district, which is absolutely inundated with dirt bikes at the weekends.
nothing spoils a nice walk in the hills like the stink of 2 stroke hanging in the air as a line of dirt bikes go past, accompanied by the irritating noise they make. don't get me wrong, i get exploring on dirt bikes, but just think there could be a better way of propelling them
then you get someone who has got hold of a felled tree hacking it up with a chainsaw all day. serenaded by a 2 stroke engine. lovely.
Ahhh, you're one of those NIMBYs that would move next to a race circuit, then petition the council to shut it down on the grounds of 'noise pollution' or whatever other pathetic gripe you have with it. Strange person...nothing spoils a nice walk in the hills like the stink of 2 stroke hanging in the air as a line of dirt bikes go past, accompanied by the irritating noise they make. don't get me wrong, i get exploring on dirt bikes, but just think there could be a better way of propelling them
then you get someone who has got hold of a felled tree hacking it up with a chainsaw all day. serenaded by a 2 stroke engine. lovely.
Edited by tamore on Friday 31st March 07:52
i reckon it's 50/50 of considerate riders who will slow down and tell you how many are behind them, and those who will just blast past gobbing the loose surface out behind them. i've had the latter stop and have a go because i shook my head as they went past. no doubt everyone on here is in the former group…. of course
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