An epidemic of insanely slow drivers
Discussion
dcb said:
Never going to happen. The UK 70 mph speed limit is decades out of date
and even moving to 80 mph - which would save more lives than the 70 mph limit
- hasn't happened.
Interestingly, at 86 mph in the UK, you are going so fast, that according to ACPO
guidelines its too fast for a mere FPN and so you are going to court. Pretty
harsh penalty in my view.
Same speed in France, you are merely keeping up with traffic. Certainly
not fast enough for a French copper to bother to book you.
Same speed in Germany, you are travelling slower than average and
you aren't keeping up with traffic.
Fast and efficient movement of goods and services ?
Certainly not in the UK.
and even moving to 80 mph - which would save more lives than the 70 mph limit
- hasn't happened.
Interestingly, at 86 mph in the UK, you are going so fast, that according to ACPO
guidelines its too fast for a mere FPN and so you are going to court. Pretty
harsh penalty in my view.
Same speed in France, you are merely keeping up with traffic. Certainly
not fast enough for a French copper to bother to book you.
Same speed in Germany, you are travelling slower than average and
you aren't keeping up with traffic.
Fast and efficient movement of goods and services ?
Certainly not in the UK.
MDT said:
I am alright Jack said:
And please remember in Scotland there is no speed awareness option... so we are straight into points. I did a speed awareness course once and I really thought it was good. I don't think it covered which lane to be in on a motorway / DC. Monkeylegend said:
The0perator said:
generationx said:
GeniusOfLove said:
Mr Tidy said:
king arthur said:
I'd blame stop/start technology for that. It encourages you to leave the engine off until it's time to move. You then dip the clutch and put the car in gear after the lights have changed instead of before. This may take one or two extra seconds over having the engine running and the car already in gear. Multiply that by the ten cars in front of you and that's why fewer cars are making it through the lights now.
TBF stop/start isn't as much of a problem as tw*ts messing about on their phones meaning sometimes nobody makes it through the lights. 
It's not that deep; they're slow thinking, slow reacting Morlocks and it extends into every aspect of their lives.
So many times I ve waited for mouth-breathers to finally react to a green light while presumably deeply involved with something phone-related. The latest fashion amongst (just to stereotype) mostly young women is holding FaceTime calls whilst driving. Christ - get over yourselves and f
king concentrate!Unless you are made differently you are also mouth breathers
Only one person used those words, and it wasn't me.
I am alright Jack said:
dcb said:
Never going to happen. The UK 70 mph speed limit is decades out of date
and even moving to 80 mph - which would save more lives than the 70 mph limit
- hasn't happened.
Interestingly, at 86 mph in the UK, you are going so fast, that according to ACPO
guidelines its too fast for a mere FPN and so you are going to court. Pretty
harsh penalty in my view.
Same speed in France, you are merely keeping up with traffic. Certainly
not fast enough for a French copper to bother to book you.
Same speed in Germany, you are travelling slower than average and
you aren't keeping up with traffic.
Fast and efficient movement of goods and services ?
Certainly not in the UK.
and even moving to 80 mph - which would save more lives than the 70 mph limit
- hasn't happened.
Interestingly, at 86 mph in the UK, you are going so fast, that according to ACPO
guidelines its too fast for a mere FPN and so you are going to court. Pretty
harsh penalty in my view.
Same speed in France, you are merely keeping up with traffic. Certainly
not fast enough for a French copper to bother to book you.
Same speed in Germany, you are travelling slower than average and
you aren't keeping up with traffic.
Fast and efficient movement of goods and services ?
Certainly not in the UK.
I did a SAC once.. About 75% on the course wouldn't pass a driving test now. Some were so driving illiterate, I'm surprised they managed to get to the course without having an accident. Two of the ladies leaving couldn't even get out of the car park, claiming there wasn't enough room. Everyone else managed it ok.
robinessex said:
I did a SAC once.. About 75% on the course wouldn't pass a driving test now. Some were so driving illiterate, I'm surprised they managed to get to the course without having an accident. Two of the ladies leaving couldn't even get out of the car park, claiming there wasn't enough room. Everyone else managed it ok.
At least it is all online now.robinessex said:
I did a SAC once.. About 75% on the course wouldn't pass a driving test now. Some were so driving illiterate, I'm surprised they managed to get to the course without having an accident. Two of the ladies leaving couldn't even get out of the car park, claiming there wasn't enough room. Everyone else managed it ok.
Surely it would be 100% lancslad58 said:
I suspect that this orbiting is amongst many of the things on PH that didn't actually happen.
You suspect wrong. Haven't had the opportunity for about 5 years though. 2004 was my best year for it. These days, I'm more into sitting in the "slow lane" and passing everything in lanes "less slow", "fast" and "fastest" which are usually going slow, slow quick quick slow.
MDT said:
I am alright Jack said:
And please remember in Scotland there is no speed awareness option... so we are straight into points. I did a speed awareness course once and I really thought it was good. I don't think it covered which lane to be in on a motorway / DC. 
Was driving the other day with my 29 year old daughter in the car. She chastised me for over taking a car doing 35 in a 50. Unfortunately I caught up with 3 more cars doing 35 mph, but it wasnt safe to attempt to overtake.
When I explained that the car at the front wouldn't pass thier test, she said I was impatient. No. I dont see why if the road is clear anyone needs to hold up anyone else. Its selfish.
When I explained that the car at the front wouldn't pass thier test, she said I was impatient. No. I dont see why if the road is clear anyone needs to hold up anyone else. Its selfish.
I find that people who dilly dally (don't move off when they should, and/or accelerating too slowly) are a greater problem than people cruising at a slower speed. It messes with the rhythm and flow of driving.
I also find that people booting it onto roundabouts excessively quickly during high traffic has the same effect as it delays other cars from joining while they wait for the car/van on two wheels to get off the roundabout instead of being able to slot in front.
I also find that people booting it onto roundabouts excessively quickly during high traffic has the same effect as it delays other cars from joining while they wait for the car/van on two wheels to get off the roundabout instead of being able to slot in front.
Pit Pony said:
Was driving the other day with my 29 year old daughter in the car. She chastised me for over taking a car doing 35 in a 50. Unfortunately I caught up with 3 more cars doing 35 mph, but it wasnt safe to attempt to overtake.
When I explained that the car at the front wouldn't pass thier test, she said I was impatient. No. I dont see why if the road is clear anyone needs to hold up anyone else. Its selfish.
Guess its the 'speed bad' and 'speed is the only cause of accidents' rhetoric that has been hammered in the media for the last 20 yearsWhen I explained that the car at the front wouldn't pass thier test, she said I was impatient. No. I dont see why if the road is clear anyone needs to hold up anyone else. Its selfish.
The0perator said:
Pit Pony said:
Was driving the other day with my 29 year old daughter in the car. She chastised me for over taking a car doing 35 in a 50. Unfortunately I caught up with 3 more cars doing 35 mph, but it wasn't safe to attempt to overtake.
When I explained that the car at the front wouldn't pass their test, she said I was impatient. No. I don't see why if the road is clear anyone needs to hold up anyone else. Its selfish.
Guess its the 'speed bad' and 'speed is the only cause of accidents' rhetoric that has been hammered in the media for the last 20 yearsWhen I explained that the car at the front wouldn't pass their test, she said I was impatient. No. I don't see why if the road is clear anyone needs to hold up anyone else. Its selfish.
Pit Pony said:
You suspect wrong. Haven't had the opportunity for about 5 years though. 2004 was my best year for it.
These days, I'm more into sitting in the "slow lane" and passing everything in lanes "less slow", "fast" and "fastest" which are usually going slow, slow quick quick slow.
I've done "orbiting", usually late at night when it's such a blatant....oh don't get me started. I generally can't be arsed these days though.These days, I'm more into sitting in the "slow lane" and passing everything in lanes "less slow", "fast" and "fastest" which are usually going slow, slow quick quick slow.
These days, like you, if I'm already in lane 1 and there an MLM in lane 2, I just carry on, without adjusting speed, and calmly pass them on the inside.
I'm not moving out across three lanes to go round them, that carries its own risks, and I'm not getting into trying to flash them out of the way, because that just causes aggression, they almost always react badly to it, and can even make them attempt to stop you passing. Far easier just to quietly and calmly pass them on the inside, by the time the gormless idiot realises, I'm long gone.
Scott
Local FB group a few days ago, there is a 40mph road that goes past the turn off for a high school, the school is nowhere near the actual turn off, the road is also separated by railings from the pavement.
Lady saying that anymore than 20mph down that road is too much and lots agreeing. A few of us have pointed out its sign posted at 40mph, during school opening/closing its impossible to do more than 10mph anyway due to the traffic.
Lady saying that anymore than 20mph down that road is too much and lots agreeing. A few of us have pointed out its sign posted at 40mph, during school opening/closing its impossible to do more than 10mph anyway due to the traffic.
the-norseman said:
Local FB group a few days ago, there is a 40mph road that goes past the turn off for a high school, the school is nowhere near the actual turn off, the road is also separated by railings from the pavement.
Lady saying that anymore than 20mph down that road is too much and lots agreeing. A few of us have pointed out its sign posted at 40mph, during school opening/closing its impossible to do more than 10mph anyway due to the traffic.
I’ve heard that residents who campaign for reduced local limits go on to make up the majority of motorists done for exceeding the new limits.Lady saying that anymore than 20mph down that road is too much and lots agreeing. A few of us have pointed out its sign posted at 40mph, during school opening/closing its impossible to do more than 10mph anyway due to the traffic.
zarjaz1991 said:
Pit Pony said:
You suspect wrong. Haven't had the opportunity for about 5 years though. 2004 was my best year for it.
These days, I'm more into sitting in the "slow lane" and passing everything in lanes "less slow", "fast" and "fastest" which are usually going slow, slow quick quick slow.
I've done "orbiting", usually late at night when it's such a blatant....oh don't get me started. I generally can't be arsed these days though.These days, I'm more into sitting in the "slow lane" and passing everything in lanes "less slow", "fast" and "fastest" which are usually going slow, slow quick quick slow.
These days, like you, if I'm already in lane 1 and there an MLM in lane 2, I just carry on, without adjusting speed, and calmly pass them on the inside.
I'm not moving out across three lanes to go round them, that carries its own risks, and I'm not getting into trying to flash them out of the way, because that just causes aggression, they almost always react badly to it, and can even make them attempt to stop you passing. Far easier just to quietly and calmly pass them on the inside, by the time the gormless idiot realises, I'm long gone.
Scott
SJfW said:
zarjaz1991 said:
Pit Pony said:
You suspect wrong. Haven't had the opportunity for about 5 years though. 2004 was my best year for it.
These days, I'm more into sitting in the "slow lane" and passing everything in lanes "less slow", "fast" and "fastest" which are usually going slow, slow quick quick slow.
I've done "orbiting", usually late at night when it's such a blatant....oh don't get me started. I generally can't be arsed these days though.These days, I'm more into sitting in the "slow lane" and passing everything in lanes "less slow", "fast" and "fastest" which are usually going slow, slow quick quick slow.
These days, like you, if I'm already in lane 1 and there an MLM in lane 2, I just carry on, without adjusting speed, and calmly pass them on the inside.
I'm not moving out across three lanes to go round them, that carries its own risks, and I'm not getting into trying to flash them out of the way, because that just causes aggression, they almost always react badly to it, and can even make them attempt to stop you passing. Far easier just to quietly and calmly pass them on the inside, by the time the gormless idiot realises, I'm long gone.
Scott
swisstoni said:
I ve heard that residents who campaign for reduced local limits go on to make up the majority of motorists done for exceeding the new limits.
It's usually a case of "I don't want people speeding past MY house, but I'll speed past other houses".A bit near me has a Victorian road (running right past front doors, not particularly wide, lots of cars parked on the road) which has been extended (same width) to also serve a couple of new estates (closes and cul de sacs, houses set back from the road, no cars parked on the main road). When I'm driving through I can often tell if the car behind me will be turning into the new houses simply because they'll be up my arse as I do 30mph in the Victorian parts, then as soon as we're driving near their estate they'll calm down and drop back.
One of these days I'll pull in, follow them and do a big smokey burnout outside their front door. That'll learn 'em.
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