An epidemic of insanely slow drivers
Discussion
Granadier said:
Wardy78 said:
theplayingmantis said:
zarjaz1991 said:
Wardy78 said:
And I'm struggling to of roads signs that are not just either self-explanatory or downright bleeding obvious. My daughter is 16 (and also neurodivergent, Inattentive ADHD for her). She is starting the process to learn to drive and I'm asking her about road signs all the time. Very few she doesn't get automatically.
Yeah. I think neurodivergent types may be better at this type of thing. Wish her all the best with this and tell her my story if it helps because it sounds like she's going to p*ss the theory test and I think if you do that you find the physical test much easier and you're a better driver for it. That's my thinking. I bet she turns out to be a good driver.Scott
Again it's an easy cop out for poor behaviour and a general lowering of standards, and the desire to label everyone and for bad parents to have an excuse.
And this isn't to take away from those who actually have these conditions in a truly life limiting way and not just as an excuse.
But this is OT.
So we went to the ADHD Foundation who were brilliant. Couple of assessments, Qb test then a referral to a consultant who has been amazing. She's now on a low dose of medication.
Meanwhile, half her year are claiming to have ADHD and the school supports them all, or rather seeks support for them all.
zarjaz1991 said:
Wardy78 said:
Thank you. We'd considered getting her to do an auto-only test because of her challenges, but put her on the Young Driver courses to see how she'd cope with a manual, and she's taken to it easily.
...and I hope you're right, she's my taxi from the pub for the next few years if so
lol! Yeah still plenty of call for manuals and it sounds like she clearly has that skill as a natural. The signs are all good, she's going to be great at it. She might even end up "one of us" and become an enthusiast....and I hope you're right, she's my taxi from the pub for the next few years if so
Scott
Wardy78 said:
zarjaz1991 said:
Wardy78 said:
Thank you. We'd considered getting her to do an auto-only test because of her challenges, but put her on the Young Driver courses to see how she'd cope with a manual, and she's taken to it easily.
...and I hope you're right, she's my taxi from the pub for the next few years if so
lol! Yeah still plenty of call for manuals and it sounds like she clearly has that skill as a natural. The signs are all good, she's going to be great at it. She might even end up "one of us" and become an enthusiast....and I hope you're right, she's my taxi from the pub for the next few years if so
Scott
Gad-Westy said:
Heaveho said:
I'm starting to notice a thing where the driver in front slows almost to a total stop when turning left, having already arrived at said left turn at a speed where slowing down any further is completely unnecessary. Compounded when it's a traffic light junction with a short light. I shouldn't, but I've become compelled to lean on the horn in this situation, to the point where I've now started working my way through the vehicles I own retrofitting twin horns to get my point across.
I have to admit, I'll sometimes be very slow turning into a street that has lots of parked cars causing a width restriction. Too many people blindly turn into those and block oncoming traffic. But I guess you're not really talking about that kind of scenario. But either way, can't see what air horns are going to achieve I'm afraid.Edited by Heaveho on Thursday 25th September 21:15
Air horns? No, I'm not doing that, even I've left the 70s behind!
Twin horns.Wardy78 said:
theplayingmantis said:
Wardy78 said:
robinessex said:
I did a SAC once.. About 75% on the course wouldn't pass a driving test now. Some were so driving illiterate, I'm surprised they managed to get to the course without having an accident. Two of the ladies leaving couldn't even get out of the car park, claiming there wasn't enough room. Everyone else managed it ok.
I did one, got nabbed at 53 on a section of dual carriageway that is 50mph for a mile between two 70-limit sections, dangerous b
d I am, I'm lucky not to have been just shot on sight.Anyway..... The course was fine. Covid times so all online. Consisted of a lot of pictures/question of roads and their signs, nothing taxing in the slightest. I was the only one that got 100%. But the surprising thing was that everyone else got way less than 50%!
Things like the NSL sign. Photo of a road with a lot of street lamps asking what speed limit. Photo of a clear single carriageway with no lights or markings. etc etc.
Some didn't get a single question correct. The biggest surprise was the lack of surprise from the instructor??
This is why I think every driver should be made to resit (or sit, I never took it) the theory test every 5 years. It would remove a huge swath of s
t drivers from our roads AND/OR generate so much revenue from the 'driving without.....' fines that the country wouldn't be (as) bankrupt.Here's the email to show I completed the course?
unless im missing something, and its one of those mythical things on here where i don't think any evidence has ever appeared showing someone being nicked within 10%.
unless im being thick!
sure it wasnt 58 not 53 perhaps?
Wardy78 said:
zarjaz1991 said:
Wardy78 said:
And I'm struggling to of roads signs that are not just either self-explanatory or downright bleeding obvious. My daughter is 16 (and also neurodivergent, Inattentive ADHD for her). She is starting the process to learn to drive and I'm asking her about road signs all the time. Very few she doesn't get automatically.
Yeah. I think neurodivergent types may be better at this type of thing. Wish her all the best with this and tell her my story if it helps because it sounds like she's going to p*ss the theory test and I think if you do that you find the physical test much easier and you're a better driver for it. That's my thinking. I bet she turns out to be a good driver.Scott
...and I hope you're right, she's my taxi from the pub for the next few years if so
We don't need speed limits. If drivers were taught how to drive properly instead of just passing a 50-year-old out-of-date 'test', we'd be a long way down the path of drivers being able to drive at a sensible speed for the CURRENT conditions of the road they're on. When I first got mobile on my motorcycle, the only speed limit was 30mph in towns.
Yesterday Sunday AM around 1030, nugget doing 20mph in a 30 all the way from Chorlton to the major junction near to old Trafford where he went up Trafford road and I went up Wharfside way.
No doubt he crawled up Trafford road too.
This morning, another absolute nugget in the right hand lane of the Princess parkway (road) dong 15mph in a 30 with nothing in front of him = mass undertakes.
No doubt he crawled up Trafford road too.
This morning, another absolute nugget in the right hand lane of the Princess parkway (road) dong 15mph in a 30 with nothing in front of him = mass undertakes.
bigothunter said:
A lot of people drive around as though lobotomised. And I'd say that some of it is due to the fact they are normally law abiding types who have at one time or another fallen foul of a speed camera, a bus lane or some other gotcha. Perhaps quite a lot. And they are now in fear of getting caught again.Others are just flicking through social media or fiddling with the sat nav. Driving is a nuisance for them.
Either way it's too late. If there was a golden age of urban driving it is long gone and autonomous cars can't come soon enough for a lot of drivers.
bigothunter said:
Sums it up wellBasically, driving was a skill. But now its just something people expect to do without any effort or attention and they get bored so scroll their phone, mess with the huge screen in the middle and not really pay attention because they are bored.. and no one is going to tell them off or fine them for that. However 35 in a 30 and they'll pay for the fine and the increased insurance.
Its maybe not a popular opinion but more coppers on the road actually policing it rather than cameras would be a big improvement.
The0perator said:
Sums it up well
Basically, driving was a skill. But now its just something people expect to do without any effort or attention and they get bored so scroll their phone, mess with the huge screen in the middle and not really pay attention because they are bored.. and no one is going to tell them off or fine them for that. However 35 in a 30 and they'll pay for the fine and the increased insurance.
Its maybe not a popular opinion but more coppers on the road actually policing it rather than cameras would be a big improvement.
I securely still see driving as a skill.Basically, driving was a skill. But now its just something people expect to do without any effort or attention and they get bored so scroll their phone, mess with the huge screen in the middle and not really pay attention because they are bored.. and no one is going to tell them off or fine them for that. However 35 in a 30 and they'll pay for the fine and the increased insurance.
Its maybe not a popular opinion but more coppers on the road actually policing it rather than cameras would be a big improvement.
I have just started advanced driver training with RoSPA to pull me up a level or two because I realise I've got sloppy and I'm actually appalled at that.
Scott
bigothunter said:
And journalists, it would appear Jethro Bovingdon said:
... as a fresh faced 12 year old I was flown to Australia for the ‘Vauxhall’ Monaro launch.
Anyone who still has the willpower to consider driving a skill, something to be celebrated, and want to experience the liberating sensation of freedom to pursue their interest without interference, could do a lot worse than spend a week ( or more ) on the IOM in a quick car with decent handling.
I did exactly this in July and had a wonderful 7 days reuniting myself with the speed limit free mountain road, surrounded by locals all driving quickly and well. It seems a remarkablly accident averse environment considering how those on the mainland who are intent on forcing us to believe that speed kills continue to pursue us with their drivel.
I did exactly this in July and had a wonderful 7 days reuniting myself with the speed limit free mountain road, surrounded by locals all driving quickly and well. It seems a remarkablly accident averse environment considering how those on the mainland who are intent on forcing us to believe that speed kills continue to pursue us with their drivel.
Edited by Heaveho on Tuesday 28th October 07:36
Heaveho said:
Anyone who still has the willpower to consider driving a skill, something to be celebrated, and want to experience the liberating sensation of freedom to pursue their interest without interference, could do a lot worse than spend a week ( or more ) on the IOM in a quick car with decent handling.
I did exactly this in July and had a wonderful 7 days reuniting myself with the speed limit free mountain road, surrounded by locals all driving quickly and well. It seems a remarkablly accident averse environment considering how those on the mainland who are intent on forcing us to believe that speed kills continue to pursue us with their drivel.
Now you've got me thinking about that for next year. I haven't been to the IOM since I was a child so have never driven it. Sounds exactly the sort of thing I'd love....I did exactly this in July and had a wonderful 7 days reuniting myself with the speed limit free mountain road, surrounded by locals all driving quickly and well. It seems a remarkablly accident averse environment considering how those on the mainland who are intent on forcing us to believe that speed kills continue to pursue us with their drivel.
Scott
Heaveho said:
I took the Evo. One of the best times I ve had in it for a decade. Worried I may have given away a secret and everyone will be there next time I go, lol.
LOL.I've only got Mondeos but I might look to hire something. Saying that I enjoy drives like that in those cars regardless, it doesn't need to be something "nice" for me to enjoy a good drive. Not to say it's not more fun if I do have something nice though.
Scott
Heaveho said:
Anyone who still has the willpower to consider driving a skill, something to be celebrated, and want to experience the liberating sensation of freedom to pursue their interest without interference, could do a lot worse than spend a week ( or more ) on the IOM in a quick car with decent handling.
I did exactly this in July and had a wonderful 7 days reuniting myself with the speed limit free mountain road, surrounded by locals all driving quickly and well. It seems a remarkablly accident averse environment considering how those on the mainland who are intent on forcing us to believe that speed kills continue to pursue us with their drivel.
Does go to show, actually driving makes all the difference. Unfortunately less people on said roads probably helps... but people who drive because they have to and people who drive because they enjoy it, has to be a difference in attention/skill whateverI did exactly this in July and had a wonderful 7 days reuniting myself with the speed limit free mountain road, surrounded by locals all driving quickly and well. It seems a remarkablly accident averse environment considering how those on the mainland who are intent on forcing us to believe that speed kills continue to pursue us with their drivel.
Edited by Heaveho on Tuesday 28th October 07:36
The0perator said:
Does go to show, actually driving makes all the difference. Unfortunately less people on said roads probably helps... but people who drive because they have to and people who drive because they enjoy it, has to be a difference in attention/skill whatever
Totally agree. I've been on back roads and ended up in a sort of convoy with a couple of other people clearly driving it for the same reason as me - enjoyment. And even though you've no idea who they are, there's clearly a sort of shared experience going on, the driving is competent, you're not held up or annoyed. I find it a joy to be sharing a road like that with someone who obviously both enjoys driving and is very good at it. Doesn't actually matter what the car is, or what your car is. It's a shared joy.Scott
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