An epidemic of insanely slow drivers
Discussion
KobayashiMaru86 said:
Had a guy this morning in a Porsche Macan giving full road captain vibes. Didn't get to any speed limit, over braking before any corner. Yes, I know it's wet but it really wasn't an excuse for it.
We have aa chap who drives a new porsche SUV round here. He is one who drives everywhere at 40 (including the 30 zones) and brakes at every bend and brakes at any vehicle coming the opposite way.Tom8 said:
We have aa chap who drives a new porsche SUV round here. He is one who drives everywhere at 40 (including the 30 zones) and brakes at every bend and brakes at any vehicle coming the opposite way.
You would have thought that anyone working for the breakdown services would not drive like that, Porsche or no Porsche.Sixteen Stone said:
I'm elderly and drive a Honda Jazz. Lando Norris? Move over slow coach.
My dad has one, as a second car, whilst he's no speed freak he won't fit the stereotype at all.They are nice little cars, I've driven his a few times and it's perfectly competent little car, great for nipping around town but can also hold its own on longer drives. Even the older ones still look very smart to me.
It's never the car, it's always the driver.
MOMACC said:
I think EV drivers are adding to the issue, not all but those on auto cruise control are.
My ID3 is shocking on auto cruise as if I put it at 70 on the motorway it will stay well back from the car in front which if that is doing 70 mine will drop to 65, those behind follow suit.
I think that's just a VW thing. Our Golf R does it too. It slows so imperceivably that you can easily miss its dropped you from 70 down to 60, I've often been in the situation of thinking "I'll move over when I get closer and overtake that car...oh they must have sped up, I'm no longer catching them"... and then looked down, realised I've dropped to ~60 and manually speed up again. My ID3 is shocking on auto cruise as if I put it at 70 on the motorway it will stay well back from the car in front which if that is doing 70 mine will drop to 65, those behind follow suit.
I really do prefer the non-smart Cruise Control, I wish it was an option to disable the ACC and leave it as just dumb CC but there is no way to do it[1].
[1] Maybe if you broke or disabled the radar somehow but then you'd also lose the emergency braking etc.
MOMACC said:
I think EV drivers are adding to the issue, not all but those on auto cruise control are.
My ID3 is shocking on auto cruise as if I put it at 70 on the motorway it will stay well back from the car in front which if that is doing 70 mine will drop to 65, those behind follow suit.
Plenty of EV drivers willing to sit at 60 - 65 to maximise battery too.
Personally I've stopped using the cruise and now sit at 77 on the pedal.
Teslas seem better than most at the cruise speed though.
NSL stretch near me goes from 40 to NSL for 2 miles then back to 40, no chance to overtake either. You guessed it, no one goes above 40. It's very frustrating.
ACC is not just in EVs.My ID3 is shocking on auto cruise as if I put it at 70 on the motorway it will stay well back from the car in front which if that is doing 70 mine will drop to 65, those behind follow suit.
Plenty of EV drivers willing to sit at 60 - 65 to maximise battery too.
Personally I've stopped using the cruise and now sit at 77 on the pedal.
Teslas seem better than most at the cruise speed though.
NSL stretch near me goes from 40 to NSL for 2 miles then back to 40, no chance to overtake either. You guessed it, no one goes above 40. It's very frustrating.
But ACC is utter crap and only lazy inattentive drivers like it.
CC is a welcome and essential part for long motorway or DC drives where pedal regulation is a bit of a bore but my new car only has ACC so it's a pita to use it to cruise.
Fastdruid said:
MOMACC said:
I think EV drivers are adding to the issue, not all but those on auto cruise control are.
My ID3 is shocking on auto cruise as if I put it at 70 on the motorway it will stay well back from the car in front which if that is doing 70 mine will drop to 65, those behind follow suit.
I think that's just a VW thing. Our Golf R does it too. It slows so imperceivably that you can easily miss its dropped you from 70 down to 60, I've often been in the situation of thinking "I'll move over when I get closer and overtake that car...oh they must have sped up, I'm no longer catching them"... and then looked down, realised I've dropped to ~60 and manually speed up again. My ID3 is shocking on auto cruise as if I put it at 70 on the motorway it will stay well back from the car in front which if that is doing 70 mine will drop to 65, those behind follow suit.
I really do prefer the non-smart Cruise Control, I wish it was an option to disable the ACC and leave it as just dumb CC but there is no way to do it[1].
[1] Maybe if you broke or disabled the radar somehow but then you'd also lose the emergency braking etc.
Is it all marques.
It was standard and not untickable so I had to have it. Messing with the radar is an option but so far it deactivates completely. A way is needed to fool the 'closeness monitor' as the lowest setting is still ridiculously far back. Leading to me getting undertaken at times (safely with plenty of room) should I be lazy and keep the ACC on and pull out to OT before braking kicks in. Mostly I flick it off as approaching a car to OT and switch it back on when in the OT lane or if something's just OT me in that lane and I'm pulling out behind them as they accelerate away once their clear over wise it slams in the brakes needlessly.
It's really a hateful device that encourages bad and lazy driving that causes congestion and phantom jams.
I hadn't realised it had ACC as one of the packs until I collected. The dealer was saying don't worry it's wonderful whack it on on M25 and you don't have to think...I bit my tongue.
theplayingmantis said:
But ACC is utter crap and only lazy inattentive drivers like it.
CC is a welcome and essential part for long motorway or DC drives where pedal regulation is a bit of a bore but my new car only has ACC so it's a pita to use it to cruise.
I think it's great for relaxed long distance motorway driving?CC is a welcome and essential part for long motorway or DC drives where pedal regulation is a bit of a bore but my new car only has ACC so it's a pita to use it to cruise.
I've suddenly had an imaginary 20 MPH limit rolled out. I managed to go over a couple of speed humps the other day behind a Vauxhall Adam mooching along at 12 MPH. I had enough of that so I over took them and drove normally.
And a big shout out to the idiots between Thurrock & Rainham who think that NSL is 35 MPH. It f
king well isn't!! They don't speed up when it's NSL or even get to 40 when it goes back down again.
And a big shout out to the idiots between Thurrock & Rainham who think that NSL is 35 MPH. It f
king well isn't!! They don't speed up when it's NSL or even get to 40 when it goes back down again. LARK F1 GTR said:
I've suddenly had an imaginary 20 MPH limit rolled out. I managed to go over a couple of speed humps the other day behind a Vauxhall Adam mooching along at 12 MPH. I had enough of that so I over took them and drove normally.
And a big shout out to the idiots between Thurrock & Rainham who think that NSL is 35 MPH. It fking well isn't!! They don't speed up when it's NSL or even get to 40 when it goes back down again.
Hindhead tunnel shows NSL and it’s a dual carriageway with central reservation (actually a huge tunnel wall) but as it’s an average speed camera area people don’t know their rules and drive through at an exact 60….i wouldn’t mind if they moved to the left as they should and got out of the way for people who know they can do 70 but they hog the outside lane. And a big shout out to the idiots between Thurrock & Rainham who think that NSL is 35 MPH. It f
king well isn't!! They don't speed up when it's NSL or even get to 40 when it goes back down again. I undertook on my motorbike recently after a I flashed as someone was doing 55 outside lane with clear inside and he went a bit mad flashing as I made off for quite some time and still hogging that lane with other drivers backing up behind him. I only flashed him once as a wake up, waited, then moved left and slowly went past with a Paddington bear stare.
Wardy78 said:
theplayingmantis said:
If you have no interest in doing the limit, often needless braking and wasting road space when overtaking I guess your right!
Are you replying to me? Because that is all utter bks if you are?Oh, and it's either "you're" or "it's your right"
keeping acc and not wishing it to activate means you need to change lane to overtake far too early ime even with lowest following calibration. as others have stated elsewhere to avoid creeping slow braking you need to all over exactly how close you to the distant car ahead, and if you pull out behind someone you have to override it or if someone pulls in in front of you despite them going faster and in the process of accelerating away, if its in the 'safe' distance zone the car has deemed ahead it will needlessly brake.
all of which are very distracting things and negate the benefits of CC. if you are happy to have the car brake needlessly in such scenarios, or be constantly on it to override them it seems to me make the benefits of cc pointless.
maintaining a speed without going over is the benefit of cc for me at least, allowing the driver to focus on maneuvering and reacting to obstacles (other vehicles) without worrying about speed generally. those reactions will involve braking and accelerating at times, but having acc adding in automatic braking is a nightmare. i cannot see any scenario where its beneficial if the driver is being attentive to their surroundings. perhaps heavy stop start traffic, but then i wouldn't trust it and would far rather rely on myself. if the calibration was sensible before automated braking kicks in then i would have less of an issue with it. to me it seems a tool for inattentive and or lazy drivers, if used without any manual override.
Edited by theplayingmantis on Tuesday 9th December 21:11
Edited by theplayingmantis on Tuesday 9th December 21:12
Caddyshack said:
LARK F1 GTR said:
I've suddenly had an imaginary 20 MPH limit rolled out. I managed to go over a couple of speed humps the other day behind a Vauxhall Adam mooching along at 12 MPH. I had enough of that so I over took them and drove normally.
And a big shout out to the idiots between Thurrock & Rainham who think that NSL is 35 MPH. It fking well isn't!! They don't speed up when it's NSL or even get to 40 when it goes back down again.
Hindhead tunnel shows NSL and it s a dual carriageway with central reservation (actually a huge tunnel wall) but as it s an average speed camera area people don t know their rules and drive through at an exact 60 .i wouldn t mind if they moved to the left as they should and got out of the way for people who know they can do 70 but they hog the outside lane. And a big shout out to the idiots between Thurrock & Rainham who think that NSL is 35 MPH. It f
king well isn't!! They don't speed up when it's NSL or even get to 40 when it goes back down again. I undertook on my motorbike recently after a I flashed as someone was doing 55 outside lane with clear inside and he went a bit mad flashing as I made off for quite some time and still hogging that lane with other drivers backing up behind him. I only flashed him once as a wake up, waited, then moved left and slowly went past with a Paddington bear stare.
if its someone who has moved right to overtake something in the distance (probably as they have acc on and don't want it to kick in needlessly!) and has ample opportunity to move over then back out again to let faster traffic past (the wait your turn mob, even though they could and should move left then out again, usually a bloke of a certain age - obviously not an issue if the vehicle cannot do the limit - HGV for example) and undertaking is not a 'safe' option (but them moving left and then back out would easily still be), then i leave the indicator on rather than flash.
in this scenario more umbrage will be taken by some who are lazy, as they are notionally in the OT lane for a reason, albeit either needlessly early, or they cant be bothered to move in then out again whilst overtaking a spaced out train of vehicles.
if its someone going absolutely know where speed matching what they are overtaking, which I've experienced a couple of times on the a30 and a12 recenetly, they get the full beams after a while. usually they are on the phone or fiddling with something and often 'professional' drivers...
theplayingmantis said:
Caddyshack said:
LARK F1 GTR said:
I've suddenly had an imaginary 20 MPH limit rolled out. I managed to go over a couple of speed humps the other day behind a Vauxhall Adam mooching along at 12 MPH. I had enough of that so I over took them and drove normally.
And a big shout out to the idiots between Thurrock & Rainham who think that NSL is 35 MPH. It fking well isn't!! They don't speed up when it's NSL or even get to 40 when it goes back down again.
Hindhead tunnel shows NSL and it s a dual carriageway with central reservation (actually a huge tunnel wall) but as it s an average speed camera area people don t know their rules and drive through at an exact 60 .i wouldn t mind if they moved to the left as they should and got out of the way for people who know they can do 70 but they hog the outside lane. And a big shout out to the idiots between Thurrock & Rainham who think that NSL is 35 MPH. It f
king well isn't!! They don't speed up when it's NSL or even get to 40 when it goes back down again. I undertook on my motorbike recently after a I flashed as someone was doing 55 outside lane with clear inside and he went a bit mad flashing as I made off for quite some time and still hogging that lane with other drivers backing up behind him. I only flashed him once as a wake up, waited, then moved left and slowly went past with a Paddington bear stare.
if its someone who has moved right to overtake something in the distance (probably as they have acc on and don't want it to kick in needlessly!) and has ample opportunity to move over then back out again to let faster traffic past (the wait your turn mob, even though they could and should move left then out again, usually a bloke of a certain age - obviously not an issue if the vehicle cannot do the limit - HGV for example) and undertaking is not a 'safe' option (but them moving left and then back out would easily still be), then i leave the indicator on rather than flash.
in this scenario more umbrage will be taken by some who are lazy, as they are notionally in the OT lane for a reason, albeit either needlessly early, or they cant be bothered to move in then out again whilst overtaking a spaced out train of vehicles.
if its someone going absolutely know where speed matching what they are overtaking, which I've experienced a couple of times on the a30 and a12 recenetly, they get the full beams after a while. usually they are on the phone or fiddling with something and often 'professional' drivers...
xx99xx said:
Do you find flashing your lights at people 'works'?
Yes. But there's a trick on how you do it. A polite quick single flash on the beams and people are likely to move left and let you pass. However, if you just hold them on full beam then people usually tend to double down and hold the lane OR slow down further or brake check.
In my case, if a quick flash causes them to double down then they get the full beams until they move out the way. Or if possible I will always undertake them and get on with it.
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