An epidemic of insanely slow drivers
Discussion
Wardy78 said:
theplayingmantis said:
Caddyshack said:
LARK F1 GTR said:
I've suddenly had an imaginary 20 MPH limit rolled out. I managed to go over a couple of speed humps the other day behind a Vauxhall Adam mooching along at 12 MPH. I had enough of that so I over took them and drove normally.
And a big shout out to the idiots between Thurrock & Rainham who think that NSL is 35 MPH. It f
king well isn't!! They don't speed up when it's NSL or even get to 40 when it goes back down again.
Hindhead tunnel shows NSL and it s a dual carriageway with central reservation (actually a huge tunnel wall) but as it s an average speed camera area people don t know their rules and drive through at an exact 60 .i wouldn t mind if they moved to the left as they should and got out of the way for people who know they can do 70 but they hog the outside lane. And a big shout out to the idiots between Thurrock & Rainham who think that NSL is 35 MPH. It f
king well isn't!! They don't speed up when it's NSL or even get to 40 when it goes back down again. I undertook on my motorbike recently after a I flashed as someone was doing 55 outside lane with clear inside and he went a bit mad flashing as I made off for quite some time and still hogging that lane with other drivers backing up behind him. I only flashed him once as a wake up, waited, then moved left and slowly went past with a Paddington bear stare.
if its someone who has moved right to overtake something in the distance (probably as they have acc on and don't want it to kick in needlessly!) and has ample opportunity to move over then back out again to let faster traffic past (the wait your turn mob, even though they could and should move left then out again, usually a bloke of a certain age - obviously not an issue if the vehicle cannot do the limit - HGV for example) and undertaking is not a 'safe' option (but them moving left and then back out would easily still be), then i leave the indicator on rather than flash.
in this scenario more umbrage will be taken by some who are lazy, as they are notionally in the OT lane for a reason, albeit either needlessly early, or they cant be bothered to move in then out again whilst overtaking a spaced out train of vehicles.
if its someone going absolutely know where speed matching what they are overtaking, which I've experienced a couple of times on the a30 and a12 recenetly, they get the full beams after a while. usually they are on the phone or fiddling with something and often 'professional' drivers...
Maybe if you used a good ACC (and used it properly) it would ease that
You sound like a lazy and inattentive driver...
Wardy78 said:
Your experience (or use of ACC) is wrong then. ACC doesn't change my driving one jot and certainly doesn't make me change lanes more/brake more etc? I don't recognise anything you are saying? The distance I set my car at is exactly the distance I would drive to without it? Do you take greater risks? Or set your system to be more cautious? Thats merely user error?
It keeps me up with traffic, would and does react quicker than I can, but makes the whole process far more relaxing. On very busy sections it's more a useful safety net and less useful, but on long quieter motorway journeys it's brilliant, if you use it properly and/or it's a good system (which it sounds like you/yours isn't.
Ditto in creeping traffic, it's really useful, IME.
Can't you keep up without out?It keeps me up with traffic, would and does react quicker than I can, but makes the whole process far more relaxing. On very busy sections it's more a useful safety net and less useful, but on long quieter motorway journeys it's brilliant, if you use it properly and/or it's a good system (which it sounds like you/yours isn't.
Ditto in creeping traffic, it's really useful, IME.
Are you not paying attention?
Can you not modulate your pedals?
How can it possibly react quicker than you unless you don't pay attention and are inattentive.
I don't brake more the ACC brakes.
I have it on the lowest setting. It's not user error it's a poor design in the car I have it on at least.
And yes it does do all those things. If someone pulls in in front of you in it's zone it brakes...ignoring the fact the car could be accelerating away. Likewise when pulling out behind a car accelerating it way. Anything in it's zone it will apply brakes that's a simple fact.
If to not trigger it kicking in one needs to pull out so far in advance that it allows easy and safe undertaking by others, which has happened to me a couple of times it's a poor system. There is no need to pull out to overtake that far in advance. Perhaps your doesn't kick in that far ahead. Perhaps you get over that early anyway. If the latter you shouldn't as it's a waste of road space and leads to needless overtaking trains
silencepoint said:
theplayingmantis said:
Caddyshack said:
xx99xx said:
Not often, maybe about once a year and it's more likely on a motorway. The last time it occurred I was in lane 1 (of 4) at 60mph and the flasher was just too lazy to overtake as his exit was coming up about half a mile away. Hence I just ignore it.
I mentioned tailgating - because whenever I see cars getting the impatient flash (usually from my relaxing vantage point of lane 1), the impatient car is more often than not tailgating or has been/is about to, as the flashing hasn't had the desired result.
The flash is not asking anyone to speed up. It is a wake up call that you are behind and they are in the outside lane when the inside is clear and they should have moved over.I mentioned tailgating - because whenever I see cars getting the impatient flash (usually from my relaxing vantage point of lane 1), the impatient car is more often than not tailgating or has been/is about to, as the flashing hasn't had the desired result.
I think many lane hoggers are just stupid but some drivers have dropped in to a subconscious type of hypnosis, their mind is elsewhere and just haven t realised they should move over. Sometimes, they wake up and get out of the way and they get a nice thank you
Telling that other posters are using the word impatient and other emotive words to describe those doing no wrong.
It's a typical sign of a road captain. Im not saying xx is as sitting in L1 and being flashed makes no sense. Unless perhaps someone was dangerously slow in which case a horn would be more appropriate, but others saying it yes probably followed by a nice moronic brake check simply for being reminded to drive properly.
There s a big difference between a flash and then being able to make progress vs those that flash and then brake check the slower car for punishment for driving slow. How does it make any sense that you want to slow yourself down to punish them for not letting you drive faster.
xx99xx said:
Pit Pony said:
On (some) EVs there is measurement of deceleration... caused by regeneration settings... and if the Engine Braking is high enough it will trigger the brake lights. I have a feeling it has been written into future legislation. Not sure because i work in the truck industry and we had a 12ton prototype last year with the incorrect settings that was almost undrivable. Taking your foot off mid corner was apparently like trying to do a hand brake turn. fixed with a parameter change.
Clever stuff no ?
There is potential for almost one pedal driving and therefore the brakes themselves could be smaller lighter and cheaper on most EVs
A quote from https://unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp...Clever stuff no ?
There is potential for almost one pedal driving and therefore the brakes themselves could be smaller lighter and cheaper on most EVs
This may well have changed since but brake lights under regen deceleration is still a thing (for PHEV/EVs).
theplayingmantis said:
xx99xx said:
Pit Pony said:
On (some) EVs there is measurement of deceleration... caused by regeneration settings... and if the Engine Braking is high enough it will trigger the brake lights. I have a feeling it has been written into future legislation. Not sure because i work in the truck industry and we had a 12ton prototype last year with the incorrect settings that was almost undrivable. Taking your foot off mid corner was apparently like trying to do a hand brake turn. fixed with a parameter change.
Clever stuff no ?
There is potential for almost one pedal driving and therefore the brakes themselves could be smaller lighter and cheaper on most EVs
A quote from https://unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp...Clever stuff no ?
There is potential for almost one pedal driving and therefore the brakes themselves could be smaller lighter and cheaper on most EVs
This may well have changed since but brake lights under regen deceleration is still a thing (for PHEV/EVs).
Posting the UNECE stuff adds value in addition to what 'Derek' and 'Steve' might observe to be facts based on their observations of brake lights. Despite it being 'done to death' on countless other threads.
xx99xx said:
theplayingmantis said:
Do you find yourself flashed often? Who mentioned tailgating?
Not often, maybe about once a year and it's more likely on a motorway. The last time it occurred I was in lane 1 (of 4) at 60mph and the flasher was just too lazy to overtake as his exit was coming up about half a mile away. Hence I just ignore it.I mentioned tailgating - because whenever I see cars getting the impatient flash (usually from my relaxing vantage point of lane 1), the impatient car is more often than not tailgating or has been/is about to, as the flashing hasn't had the desired result.
Yes, the flasher is usually tailgating, and the flashee usually has another car ahead of them, with the correct gap (2 seconds).
Virtual PAH said:
Often wonder if a pit lane speed limiter style button would help that could be set to a limit and cruise control does the rest.
My car has exactly that. Well almost. Most cars now have the choice of ACC or limiter.Press the speed limiter and it defaults to 20 if you are going less than that.
M4cruiser said:
From my observations, tailgating is far more common than speeding or lane hogging.
Yes, the flasher is usually tailgating, and the flashee usually has another car ahead of them, with the correct gap (2 seconds).
Characteristically middle lane morons sit in their comforting packs with absolutely minimum vehicle separation. They seem to be waiting for the multi-car shunt. Thankfully they drive slowly.Yes, the flasher is usually tailgating, and the flashee usually has another car ahead of them, with the correct gap (2 seconds).
theplayingmantis said:
Tom8 said:
John D. said:
Tom8 said:
The other common issue with not overtaking is keeping a huge distance between the slow vehicle and the car which should overtake. Followed a tractor last night and the Honda Jazz two cars ahead would not get closer than say 50m. Car behind wouldn't overtake either so no one has a chance unless you come across a long extended straight.
A big gap is normally preferable to too small a gap IME. Then you have a gap to drop into rather than having to pass multiple vehicles in one go. You can be confident the driver leaving the gap isn't about to pull out and overtake themselves as well. theplayingmantis said:
Wardy78 said:
theplayingmantis said:
Caddyshack said:
LARK F1 GTR said:
I've suddenly had an imaginary 20 MPH limit rolled out. I managed to go over a couple of speed humps the other day behind a Vauxhall Adam mooching along at 12 MPH. I had enough of that so I over took them and drove normally.
And a big shout out to the idiots between Thurrock & Rainham who think that NSL is 35 MPH. It fking well isn't!! They don't speed up when it's NSL or even get to 40 when it goes back down again.
Hindhead tunnel shows NSL and it s a dual carriageway with central reservation (actually a huge tunnel wall) but as it s an average speed camera area people don t know their rules and drive through at an exact 60 .i wouldn t mind if they moved to the left as they should and got out of the way for people who know they can do 70 but they hog the outside lane. And a big shout out to the idiots between Thurrock & Rainham who think that NSL is 35 MPH. It f
king well isn't!! They don't speed up when it's NSL or even get to 40 when it goes back down again. I undertook on my motorbike recently after a I flashed as someone was doing 55 outside lane with clear inside and he went a bit mad flashing as I made off for quite some time and still hogging that lane with other drivers backing up behind him. I only flashed him once as a wake up, waited, then moved left and slowly went past with a Paddington bear stare.
if its someone who has moved right to overtake something in the distance (probably as they have acc on and don't want it to kick in needlessly!) and has ample opportunity to move over then back out again to let faster traffic past (the wait your turn mob, even though they could and should move left then out again, usually a bloke of a certain age - obviously not an issue if the vehicle cannot do the limit - HGV for example) and undertaking is not a 'safe' option (but them moving left and then back out would easily still be), then i leave the indicator on rather than flash.
in this scenario more umbrage will be taken by some who are lazy, as they are notionally in the OT lane for a reason, albeit either needlessly early, or they cant be bothered to move in then out again whilst overtaking a spaced out train of vehicles.
if its someone going absolutely know where speed matching what they are overtaking, which I've experienced a couple of times on the a30 and a12 recenetly, they get the full beams after a while. usually they are on the phone or fiddling with something and often 'professional' drivers...
Maybe if you used a good ACC (and used it properly) it would ease that
You sound like a lazy and inattentive driver...
What makes me sound like a lazy and inattentive driver?
theplayingmantis said:
Wardy78 said:
Your experience (or use of ACC) is wrong then. ACC doesn't change my driving one jot and certainly doesn't make me change lanes more/brake more etc? I don't recognise anything you are saying? The distance I set my car at is exactly the distance I would drive to without it? Do you take greater risks? Or set your system to be more cautious? Thats merely user error?
It keeps me up with traffic, would and does react quicker than I can, but makes the whole process far more relaxing. On very busy sections it's more a useful safety net and less useful, but on long quieter motorway journeys it's brilliant, if you use it properly and/or it's a good system (which it sounds like you/yours isn't.
Ditto in creeping traffic, it's really useful, IME.
Can't you keep up without out? Yes, easily It keeps me up with traffic, would and does react quicker than I can, but makes the whole process far more relaxing. On very busy sections it's more a useful safety net and less useful, but on long quieter motorway journeys it's brilliant, if you use it properly and/or it's a good system (which it sounds like you/yours isn't.
Ditto in creeping traffic, it's really useful, IME.
Are you not paying attention? Yes, all the time behind the wheel
Can you not modulate your pedals? Yes, two pedals, not difficult
I can also read a map, but choose to use GPS/SatNav at times.
I can also check my tyres pressures using a gauge, but choose to let the car's reading at times
I can change gear myself, but choose to let an auto gearbox to it at times
I can wind down a window, but choose a car with electric windows
I can turn my lights and windscreen wipers on manually, but chose to use the auto function at times
Etc
How can it possibly react quicker than you unless you don't pay attention and are inattentive. radar has a reaction time of around 200 milliseconds, about the same as an F1 driver or fighter pilot. The average human reaction time is 1.6secs.
I don't brake more the ACC brakes. My ACC seldom brakes, certainly no more than I do
I have it on the lowest setting. It's not user error it's a poor design in the car I have it on at least. sounds like it is given everything you've said
And yes it does do all those things. If someone pulls in in front of you in it's zone it brakes...ignoring the fact the car could be accelerating away. Likewise when pulling out behind a car accelerating it way. Anything in its zone it will apply brakes that's a simple fact. I never have it brake when I wouldn't anyway. Sounds like your system is s
t, or you are If to not trigger it kicking in one needs to pull out so far in advance that it allows easy and safe undertaking by others, which has happened to me a couple of times it's a poor system. There is no need to pull out to overtake that far in advance. Perhaps your doesn't kick in that far ahead. Perhaps you get over that early anyway. If the latter you shouldn't as it's a waste of road space and leads to needless overtaking trains
Wardy78 said:
theplayingmantis said:
Wardy78 said:
Your experience (or use of ACC) is wrong then. ACC doesn't change my driving one jot and certainly doesn't make me change lanes more/brake more etc? I don't recognise anything you are saying? The distance I set my car at is exactly the distance I would drive to without it? Do you take greater risks? Or set your system to be more cautious? Thats merely user error?
It keeps me up with traffic, would and does react quicker than I can, but makes the whole process far more relaxing. On very busy sections it's more a useful safety net and less useful, but on long quieter motorway journeys it's brilliant, if you use it properly and/or it's a good system (which it sounds like you/yours isn't.
Ditto in creeping traffic, it's really useful, IME.
Can't you keep up without out? Yes, easily It keeps me up with traffic, would and does react quicker than I can, but makes the whole process far more relaxing. On very busy sections it's more a useful safety net and less useful, but on long quieter motorway journeys it's brilliant, if you use it properly and/or it's a good system (which it sounds like you/yours isn't.
Ditto in creeping traffic, it's really useful, IME.
Are you not paying attention? Yes, all the time behind the wheel
Can you not modulate your pedals? Yes, two pedals, not difficult
I can also read a map, but choose to use GPS/SatNav at times.
I can also check my tyres pressures using a gauge, but choose to let the car's reading at times
I can change gear myself, but choose to let an auto gearbox to it at times
I can wind down a window, but choose a car with electric windows
I can turn my lights and windscreen wipers on manually, but chose to use the auto function at times
Etc
How can it possibly react quicker than you unless you don't pay attention and are inattentive. radar has a reaction time of around 200 milliseconds, about the same as an F1 driver or fighter pilot. The average human reaction time is 1.6secs.
I don't brake more the ACC brakes. My ACC seldom brakes, certainly no more than I do
I have it on the lowest setting. It's not user error it's a poor design in the car I have it on at least. sounds like it is given everything you've said
And yes it does do all those things. If someone pulls in in front of you in it's zone it brakes...ignoring the fact the car could be accelerating away. Likewise when pulling out behind a car accelerating it way. Anything in its zone it will apply brakes that's a simple fact. I never have it brake when I wouldn't anyway. Sounds like your system is s
t, or you are If to not trigger it kicking in one needs to pull out so far in advance that it allows easy and safe undertaking by others, which has happened to me a couple of times it's a poor system. There is no need to pull out to overtake that far in advance. Perhaps your doesn't kick in that far ahead. Perhaps you get over that early anyway. If the latter you shouldn't as it's a waste of road space and leads to needless overtaking trains
pti said:
Wardy78 said:
theplayingmantis said:
Wardy78 said:
Your experience (or use of ACC) is wrong then. ACC doesn't change my driving one jot and certainly doesn't make me change lanes more/brake more etc? I don't recognise anything you are saying? The distance I set my car at is exactly the distance I would drive to without it? Do you take greater risks? Or set your system to be more cautious? Thats merely user error?
It keeps me up with traffic, would and does react quicker than I can, but makes the whole process far more relaxing. On very busy sections it's more a useful safety net and less useful, but on long quieter motorway journeys it's brilliant, if you use it properly and/or it's a good system (which it sounds like you/yours isn't.
Ditto in creeping traffic, it's really useful, IME.
Can't you keep up without out? Yes, easily It keeps me up with traffic, would and does react quicker than I can, but makes the whole process far more relaxing. On very busy sections it's more a useful safety net and less useful, but on long quieter motorway journeys it's brilliant, if you use it properly and/or it's a good system (which it sounds like you/yours isn't.
Ditto in creeping traffic, it's really useful, IME.
Are you not paying attention? Yes, all the time behind the wheel
Can you not modulate your pedals? Yes, two pedals, not difficult
I can also read a map, but choose to use GPS/SatNav at times.
I can also check my tyres pressures using a gauge, but choose to let the car's reading at times
I can change gear myself, but choose to let an auto gearbox to it at times
I can wind down a window, but choose a car with electric windows
I can turn my lights and windscreen wipers on manually, but chose to use the auto function at times
Etc
How can it possibly react quicker than you unless you don't pay attention and are inattentive. radar has a reaction time of around 200 milliseconds, about the same as an F1 driver or fighter pilot. The average human reaction time is 1.6secs.
I don't brake more the ACC brakes. My ACC seldom brakes, certainly no more than I do
I have it on the lowest setting. It's not user error it's a poor design in the car I have it on at least. sounds like it is given everything you've said
And yes it does do all those things. If someone pulls in in front of you in it's zone it brakes...ignoring the fact the car could be accelerating away. Likewise when pulling out behind a car accelerating it way. Anything in its zone it will apply brakes that's a simple fact. I never have it brake when I wouldn't anyway. Sounds like your system is s
t, or you are If to not trigger it kicking in one needs to pull out so far in advance that it allows easy and safe undertaking by others, which has happened to me a couple of times it's a poor system. There is no need to pull out to overtake that far in advance. Perhaps your doesn't kick in that far ahead. Perhaps you get over that early anyway. If the latter you shouldn't as it's a waste of road space and leads to needless overtaking trains
I have literally never had a situation where ACC's lack of anticipation had ever been present, let alone an issue. (Brake assist is a very different matter BTW!).
If anything, ACC (and normal cruise control) can improve the driver's ability to anticipate/plan, IME.
Wardy78 said:
But I'm there, it doesn't need to anticipate. I'm the one steering and in control of the car. This is ACC, it's not full autopilot? It's helping in the same way as auto lights/wipers/gearbox/etc. Non of which can anticipate like a human. All of which are, at times, very useful.
I have literally never had a situation where ACC's lack of anticipation had ever been present, let alone an issue. (Brake assist is a very different matter BTW!).
If anything, ACC (and normal cruise control) can improve the driver's ability to anticipate/plan, IME.
ACC is worse than traditional cruise in that particular scenario, 'forcing' you to pull out to overtake before necessary and potentially negatively impacting faster vehicles behind. Obviously you can override it but many don't bother. I have literally never had a situation where ACC's lack of anticipation had ever been present, let alone an issue. (Brake assist is a very different matter BTW!).
If anything, ACC (and normal cruise control) can improve the driver's ability to anticipate/plan, IME.
IMO cruise improves the ability to anticipate, ACC doesn't. That's not to say it isn't a useful tool and would be even better if you were able to switch between ACC and traditional cruise, but in most cars you can't.
pti said:
Wardy78 said:
But I'm there, it doesn't need to anticipate. I'm the one steering and in control of the car. This is ACC, it's not full autopilot? It's helping in the same way as auto lights/wipers/gearbox/etc. Non of which can anticipate like a human. All of which are, at times, very useful.
I have literally never had a situation where ACC's lack of anticipation had ever been present, let alone an issue. (Brake assist is a very different matter BTW!).
If anything, ACC (and normal cruise control) can improve the driver's ability to anticipate/plan, IME.
ACC is worse than traditional cruise in that particular scenario, 'forcing' you to pull out to overtake before necessary and potentially negatively impacting faster vehicles behind. Obviously you can override it but many don't bother. I have literally never had a situation where ACC's lack of anticipation had ever been present, let alone an issue. (Brake assist is a very different matter BTW!).
If anything, ACC (and normal cruise control) can improve the driver's ability to anticipate/plan, IME.
IMO cruise improves the ability to anticipate, ACC doesn't. That's not to say it isn't a useful tool and would be even better if you were able to switch between ACC and traditional cruise, but in most cars you can't.
ACC, meh. Just let the computer do it, turn brain off. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.
This is why I prefer speed limiter vs ACC.
I can just set the limit to 79 for example and keep my foot on the pedal, there's no slowing down if I get too close or leave a lane change until the last second or it getting confused as my foot is controlling all of that. ACC is good for traffic as you can leave it to do its thing and just follow the line of cars but even then I don't really use it much.
I can just set the limit to 79 for example and keep my foot on the pedal, there's no slowing down if I get too close or leave a lane change until the last second or it getting confused as my foot is controlling all of that. ACC is good for traffic as you can leave it to do its thing and just follow the line of cars but even then I don't really use it much.
I've been following this topic since it started and during that time I've gone daily driving performance cars (BMW M2 and Clio RS200 Cup), to driving a Volvo XC70.
My driving style has gone from fast road, to old man. I pootle around now, even more so when my newborn is with me, and yesterday I made myself laugh when I looked in my rear view mirror. I've become the slow car at the front of a line of cars.
I've become everything I hated on the road
.
On the upside, I'm finally achieving 40mpg in a car
My driving style has gone from fast road, to old man. I pootle around now, even more so when my newborn is with me, and yesterday I made myself laugh when I looked in my rear view mirror. I've become the slow car at the front of a line of cars.
I've become everything I hated on the road
. On the upside, I'm finally achieving 40mpg in a car
pti said:
Wardy78 said:
But I'm there, it doesn't need to anticipate. I'm the one steering and in control of the car. This is ACC, it's not full autopilot? It's helping in the same way as auto lights/wipers/gearbox/etc. Non of which can anticipate like a human. All of which are, at times, very useful.
I have literally never had a situation where ACC's lack of anticipation had ever been present, let alone an issue. (Brake assist is a very different matter BTW!).
If anything, ACC (and normal cruise control) can improve the driver's ability to anticipate/plan, IME.
ACC is worse than traditional cruise in that particular scenario, 'forcing' you to pull out to overtake before necessary and potentially negatively impacting faster vehicles behind. Obviously you can override it but many don't bother. I have literally never had a situation where ACC's lack of anticipation had ever been present, let alone an issue. (Brake assist is a very different matter BTW!).
If anything, ACC (and normal cruise control) can improve the driver's ability to anticipate/plan, IME.
IMO cruise improves the ability to anticipate, ACC doesn't. That's not to say it isn't a useful tool and would be even better if you were able to switch between ACC and traditional cruise, but in most cars you can't.
Fastdruid said:
^This. With CC I have to concentrate on traffic, plan ahead, thinking things like "right so if I wait until I'm overtaking close then that car behind will be blocking me so I need to pull out early *or* cut CC until they're past and then pull out behind them". I turn it into a game of trying never to disengage which forces attention and planning.
ACC, meh. Just let the computer do it, turn brain off. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.
ACC just does the same thing, but the car will slow you if needed. My dad was always a nightmare with CC, he would get so close to a car in front waiting for the overtaking car to get past.ACC, meh. Just let the computer do it, turn brain off. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.
If you use ACC as an opportunity to turn the brain off, then that is the issue. Again, the user, not the tech.
The issue seems to be that ACC systems differ... the Distronic on my 2014 CLS is absolutely fantastic. It allows the gap to close if the car in front is accelerating away, and it allows you to close on a car in front if you are indicating to change lanes.
Clearly it can only 'see' the car in front, or adjacent if you are indicating so there is the odd occasion you need to intervene. But for the most part it makes long motorway or dual carriageway journeys much less mentally tiring.
I have mine set to a gap of 2 secs. If anyone undertakes to fill that, then its their issue. They are the ones who will delay your journey when the emergency services have to sweep up the mess they've created by not leaving enough space.
Clearly it can only 'see' the car in front, or adjacent if you are indicating so there is the odd occasion you need to intervene. But for the most part it makes long motorway or dual carriageway journeys much less mentally tiring.
I have mine set to a gap of 2 secs. If anyone undertakes to fill that, then its their issue. They are the ones who will delay your journey when the emergency services have to sweep up the mess they've created by not leaving enough space.
Fastdruid said:
pti said:
Wardy78 said:
But I'm there, it doesn't need to anticipate. I'm the one steering and in control of the car. This is ACC, it's not full autopilot? It's helping in the same way as auto lights/wipers/gearbox/etc. Non of which can anticipate like a human. All of which are, at times, very useful.
I have literally never had a situation where ACC's lack of anticipation had ever been present, let alone an issue. (Brake assist is a very different matter BTW!).
If anything, ACC (and normal cruise control) can improve the driver's ability to anticipate/plan, IME.
ACC is worse than traditional cruise in that particular scenario, 'forcing' you to pull out to overtake before necessary and potentially negatively impacting faster vehicles behind. Obviously you can override it but many don't bother. I have literally never had a situation where ACC's lack of anticipation had ever been present, let alone an issue. (Brake assist is a very different matter BTW!).
If anything, ACC (and normal cruise control) can improve the driver's ability to anticipate/plan, IME.
IMO cruise improves the ability to anticipate, ACC doesn't. That's not to say it isn't a useful tool and would be even better if you were able to switch between ACC and traditional cruise, but in most cars you can't.
ACC, meh. Just let the computer do it, turn brain off. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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