RE: New Toyota Land Cruiser launched in UK
Discussion
Frankychops said:
NGK210 said:
What about rust / corrosion protection?
For all of Toyota’s pious dedication to reliability and build quality, its egregiously cynical cost-cutting re. undersealing – ie, not undersealing – has been a major problem in snow / road salt regions, affecting ladder frames in particular.
So what’s been done? Is the new Land Cruiser actually undersealed or, even better, has the ladder frame been galvanized, or even better still, made of stainless steel?
And what’s the duration of the corrosion warranty?
stainless is heavy and brittle, there's a reason its not used.For all of Toyota’s pious dedication to reliability and build quality, its egregiously cynical cost-cutting re. undersealing – ie, not undersealing – has been a major problem in snow / road salt regions, affecting ladder frames in particular.
So what’s been done? Is the new Land Cruiser actually undersealed or, even better, has the ladder frame been galvanized, or even better still, made of stainless steel?
And what’s the duration of the corrosion warranty?
And stainless is a lot less brittle than rust.
Fast and Spurious said:
Yes of course. Why they insist on making cutlery out of it I'll never know, it's so brittle. Yeah.....
It’s amount application. Have you ever seen how a steel rod bends and flexes, where as stainless snaps?If you’re comparing knifes and forks to a ladder chassis, I don’t think this conversation will go far
Frankychops said:
It’s amount application. Have you ever seen how a steel rod bends and flexes, where as stainless snaps?
If you’re comparing knifes and forks to a ladder chassis, I don’t think this conversation will go far
Yeah, yeah, nice dodge. If you’re comparing knifes and forks to a ladder chassis, I don’t think this conversation will go far
But it doesn’t get away from the fact Toyota traditionally does not underseal nor galvenize.
Or perhaps it’s different with this new LC - does anyone actually know, please?
blasos said:
rwindmill said:
Hmmmmm, take a Landrover Defender, some tracing paper and.......................voila!!
The KIA EV9 is the same.
It would appear that all the design houses in the world, have had every piece of equipment stolen from their studios, with the exception of a ruler and a pencil.
The KIA EV9 looks nothing like the Defender, thankfully. In fact, it looks orders of magnitude better.The KIA EV9 is the same.
It would appear that all the design houses in the world, have had every piece of equipment stolen from their studios, with the exception of a ruler and a pencil.
Where as the EV9 is all swooping curves and sartorial elegance:
NGK210 said:
But it doesn’t get away from the fact Toyota traditionally does not underseal nor galvenize.
Or perhaps it’s different with this new LC - does anyone actually know, please?
I doubt it will be any different from a current Hilux, worth your while to do some rustproofing when it’s new. Or perhaps it’s different with this new LC - does anyone actually know, please?
Frankychops said:
Jag_NE said:
The Defender has this beaten already.
How and why? For the masses, is a pensioner brand.
People value image and style much much higher than reliability.
The old gen LC was a small seller, the massive price hike will keep it there.
PH geeks these but in reality won’t be going out and buying new. Which is all that matters really.
rwindmill said:
blasos said:
rwindmill said:
Hmmmmm, take a Landrover Defender, some tracing paper and.......................voila!!
The KIA EV9 is the same.
It would appear that all the design houses in the world, have had every piece of equipment stolen from their studios, with the exception of a ruler and a pencil.
The KIA EV9 looks nothing like the Defender, thankfully. In fact, it looks orders of magnitude better.The KIA EV9 is the same.
It would appear that all the design houses in the world, have had every piece of equipment stolen from their studios, with the exception of a ruler and a pencil.
Where as the EV9 is all swooping curves and sartorial elegance:
biggbn said:
rwindmill said:
blasos said:
rwindmill said:
Hmmmmm, take a Landrover Defender, some tracing paper and.......................voila!!
The KIA EV9 is the same.
It would appear that all the design houses in the world, have had every piece of equipment stolen from their studios, with the exception of a ruler and a pencil.
The KIA EV9 looks nothing like the Defender, thankfully. In fact, it looks orders of magnitude better.The KIA EV9 is the same.
It would appear that all the design houses in the world, have had every piece of equipment stolen from their studios, with the exception of a ruler and a pencil.
Where as the EV9 is all swooping curves and sartorial elegance:
swisstoni said:
biggbn said:
rwindmill said:
blasos said:
rwindmill said:
Hmmmmm, take a Landrover Defender, some tracing paper and.......................voila!!
The KIA EV9 is the same.
It would appear that all the design houses in the world, have had every piece of equipment stolen from their studios, with the exception of a ruler and a pencil.
The KIA EV9 looks nothing like the Defender, thankfully. In fact, it looks orders of magnitude better.The KIA EV9 is the same.
It would appear that all the design houses in the world, have had every piece of equipment stolen from their studios, with the exception of a ruler and a pencil.
Where as the EV9 is all swooping curves and sartorial elegance:
NomduJour said:
I doubt it will be any different from a current Hilux, worth your while to do some rustproofing when it’s new.
Getting the typical new vehicle buyer to do that is next to impossible, only the exceptional owner can even be bothered to wash the salty muck off the undersides in the spring or check.I've never understood why Toyota don't make some effort on chassis (if nothing else) on vehicles destined for countries with a salt fetish, their reputation already solid with people in the know could only be enhanced further.
My 19 year old (prado sized) LC5 flew through another MOT this week without a single advisory, it'll probably outlast me.
Smint said:
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I've never understood why Toyota don't make some effort on chassis (if nothing else) on vehicles destined for countries with a salt fetish, their reputation already solid with people in the know could only be enhanced further.
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^This. I've never understood why Toyota don't make some effort on chassis (if nothing else) on vehicles destined for countries with a salt fetish, their reputation already solid with people in the know could only be enhanced further.
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It costs £75k and punters are expected to do their own undersealing?? FFS!!
How much would it cost Toyota to galvanize the ladder frame? Poke all, I bet.
It’s a bizarrely obstinate and penny-pinching form of cost cutting.
And it’s not only a problem in snow zones, it’s also a PITA for folks who need to reverse a boat trailer into sea water.
NGK210 said:
^This.
It costs £75k and punters are expected to do their own undersealing?? FFS!!
How much would it cost Toyota to galvanize the ladder frame? Poke all, I bet.
It’s a bizarrely obstinate and penny-pinching form of cost cutting.
And it’s not only a problem in snow zones, it’s also a PITA for folks who need to reverse a boat trailer into sea water.
Rear live axle also barely painted and rusts like an old horseshoe, my rear axle and chassis are smothered in marine grease which (so far) backed up by annual blasts of ACF50 appears to be working better than all the fancy coatings one can buy whether amateur or professional, whilst the underside is filthy to work on very seldom do any bolts sheer off or ancilliary parts sensors etc corrode or fail.It costs £75k and punters are expected to do their own undersealing?? FFS!!
How much would it cost Toyota to galvanize the ladder frame? Poke all, I bet.
It’s a bizarrely obstinate and penny-pinching form of cost cutting.
And it’s not only a problem in snow zones, it’s also a PITA for folks who need to reverse a boat trailer into sea water.
This chassis corrosion issue became more apparent from 90 and 100 series onwards circa '96/7, my previous 70 series and i believe the 80's too are alleged to have thicker chassis which stand the test of time better though i haven't measured steel gauge personally, before 120 series arrived around 2003 Toyota already had enough evidence the chassis untreatment wasn't rust resistant enough on the newer models and they really should have taken steps long ago.
Used buyers who know these vehicles expect to inspect lots of examples before snapping the right one up, i was most fortunate when i found mine.
I watched a video of the LC assembly line in Japan, the attention to detail of body construction was something else, chassis construction supply and painting never featured which maybe tells its own story.
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