RE: 2024 Porsche Taycan Turbo S | UK Review
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To be honest I find it quite easy to ignore the “EV haters” that are a bit too trigger happy on these threads. I wish more would. These threads become so tiresomely cluttered with posters who feel a need to challenge posters with what are perceived to be opinions that must be countered - which tends to then prompt a further response and then another counter response and so on.
Don’t get me started on those that choose to comment on those that wish others wouldn’t comment.
Oh, hang on.
Anyway, engineering achievements they may be, these Porsches carry huge price tags. And on occasion sport particularly unappealing wheels.
Don’t get me started on those that choose to comment on those that wish others wouldn’t comment.
Oh, hang on.
Anyway, engineering achievements they may be, these Porsches carry huge price tags. And on occasion sport particularly unappealing wheels.
Chris Peacock said:
Here's another thing I don't understand. (and I say this as someone who's never owned an EV, I just love cars in general), why do the same extreme anti EV posters comment on every EV thread? Why do you even read them?! I've got zero interest in expensive watches, I think they're a vulgar, pointless extravagance.. so I don't read watch threads, and I certainly don't comment on every thread to share my views. It's really quite strange behaviour.
Frankychops said:
plfrench said:
To get 700 miles from a GLE400d, you'd have to drive like a saint. I think you'd be surprised how small the gap was between the GLE and a Model 3 LR if both driven in mixed driving with the same degree of acceleration (i.e. pressing on a bit but slow enough for the 400d to keep up) once you'd got used to regen. I bet you'd be sub 500 miles in the merc vs. 320+ in the Model 3.
I had a e400d all terrain before a model 3 long range. the Merc would do 600miles to each tank of fuel, it was also quicker than the tesla 50-100. My tesla has been a good car, they never do 320miles, 230ish.Water Fairy said:
bqf said:
HardMiles said:
Crikey, you lot are easily upset - all of your tampons must be on fire! 
Yes, I do understand how it all works, I actually sell cars for a living, but I do appreciate the talking down to, it must make you feel very high and mighty, nice one...
I will just leave you with this thought, some people on here may, just might be, PETROLHEADS, or PISTON HEADS, we like those things, difficult to imagine I know. You can microwave a burger quikcer, but I'llk take the BBQ'd one thanks gents.
And to denounce another ultimately dumb comment, "it was all about speed until EV's came along." No. No, it never was for everyone, the feel, the feedback, the joy cannot be measured in 0-60's and MPG. I'd still take a Frog Eye Sprite over all of the modern stuff, it isn't fast, but its endlessly enjoyable & it brings joy to others.
So, I'll get back in my box - but gents, you're wrong.
What he said, almost word for word. If you're 'spending'/deducting from tax £160,000 for a Taycan, you really are a soulless NPC.Yes, I do understand how it all works, I actually sell cars for a living, but I do appreciate the talking down to, it must make you feel very high and mighty, nice one...
I will just leave you with this thought, some people on here may, just might be, PETROLHEADS, or PISTON HEADS, we like those things, difficult to imagine I know. You can microwave a burger quikcer, but I'llk take the BBQ'd one thanks gents.
And to denounce another ultimately dumb comment, "it was all about speed until EV's came along." No. No, it never was for everyone, the feel, the feedback, the joy cannot be measured in 0-60's and MPG. I'd still take a Frog Eye Sprite over all of the modern stuff, it isn't fast, but its endlessly enjoyable & it brings joy to others.
So, I'll get back in my box - but gents, you're wrong.
The pathetic ones that should be embarrassed are the nappy wearers who insist on relentlessly trying to ram down others throats how EVs are better and we should all try one, and that preferring ICE makes you a Neanderthal.
Why can't the EV brigade accept we all have a choice? Besides, the idea that EVs are 'clean' is the joke of the century and people conveniently 'forget' how dependent the world is on fossil fuels for so many other things that makes the effect of cars a drop in the ocean. No pun intended.
EV8 said:
Water Fairy said:
bqf said:
HardMiles said:
Crikey, you lot are easily upset - all of your tampons must be on fire!
Yes, I do understand how it all works, I actually sell cars for a living, but I do appreciate the talking down to, it must make you feel very high and mighty, nice one...
I will just leave you with this thought, some people on here may, just might be, PETROLHEADS, or PISTON HEADS, we like those things, difficult to imagine I know. You can microwave a burger quikcer, but I'llk take the BBQ'd one thanks gents.
And to denounce another ultimately dumb comment, "it was all about speed until EV's came along." No. No, it never was for everyone, the feel, the feedback, the joy cannot be measured in 0-60's and MPG. I'd still take a Frog Eye Sprite over all of the modern stuff, it isn't fast, but its endlessly enjoyable & it brings joy to others.
So, I'll get back in my box - but gents, you're wrong.
What he said, almost word for word. If you're 'spending'/deducting from tax £160,000 for a Taycan, you really are a soulless NPC.Yes, I do understand how it all works, I actually sell cars for a living, but I do appreciate the talking down to, it must make you feel very high and mighty, nice one...
I will just leave you with this thought, some people on here may, just might be, PETROLHEADS, or PISTON HEADS, we like those things, difficult to imagine I know. You can microwave a burger quikcer, but I'llk take the BBQ'd one thanks gents.
And to denounce another ultimately dumb comment, "it was all about speed until EV's came along." No. No, it never was for everyone, the feel, the feedback, the joy cannot be measured in 0-60's and MPG. I'd still take a Frog Eye Sprite over all of the modern stuff, it isn't fast, but its endlessly enjoyable & it brings joy to others.
So, I'll get back in my box - but gents, you're wrong.
The pathetic ones that should be embarrassed are the nappy wearers who insist on relentlessly trying to ram down others throats how EVs are better and we should all try one, and that preferring ICE makes you a Neanderthal.
Why can't the EV brigade accept we all have a choice? Besides, the idea that EVs are 'clean' is the joke of the century and people conveniently 'forget' how dependent the world is on fossil fuels for so many other things that makes the effect of cars a drop in the ocean. No pun intended.
scenario8 said:
To be honest I find it quite easy to ignore the “EV haters” that are a bit too trigger happy on these threads. I wish more would. These threads become so tiresomely cluttered with posters who feel a need to challenge posters with what are perceived to be opinions that must be countered - which tends to then prompt a further response and then another counter response and so on.
Don’t get me started on those that choose to comment on those that wish others wouldn’t comment.
Oh, hang on.
Anyway, engineering achievements they may be, these Porsches carry huge price tags. And on occasion sport particularly unappealing wheels.
Quite. Has anyone on here referred to themselves as an "EV hater." It's puerile internet speak. Don’t get me started on those that choose to comment on those that wish others wouldn’t comment.
Oh, hang on.
Anyway, engineering achievements they may be, these Porsches carry huge price tags. And on occasion sport particularly unappealing wheels.
This is a general thread, where one might expect to find a range of views (and where the same half dozen posters come to repeat themselves seek after week). It is mildly perverse is that there are always a couple of posters who have a Pavlovian reaction whenever the same few criticisms of EVs are made and who clearly can't discern when they are being wound up. One of the early posts on this thread made a sarcastic reference to "millions of tons of CO2" being used to manufacture a single car battery. Quite a few posters seem so fixated on engaging with perceived "anti-EV" thinking that they took this seriously.
Some time ago, a former poster who had claimed to be a powertrain engineer flounced after working himself into such a froth because of a self-imposed obligation to relentlessly repeat himself to people who clearly didn't give a toss. For someone who could presumably spend all day working with people who shared his interests and views, it's unusual that he spared the time and effort to squabble relentlessly with the same handful of randoms on one particular internet forum. Others are available. If I found that someone who works for me is doing that, I'd be a bit concerned.
Really, this is a couple of threads a week on GG, which PH know will get a few pages from the same half dozen posters winding each other up. For actual discussion about EVs, there are plenty of threads in the relevant sub-forum.
Wheelspinning said:
raspy said:
Needs to be under 2 secs 0-60 and over 1,000 bhp. A disappointing effort from Porsche for their flagship Taycan.
Agreed.9 years after my 2wd McLaren was launched this all singing dancing 4wd electric supercar with overboost can just about match my car from 0-124.
It's not an overly relevant point, but I expected far better and quicker.
Interested to see what this does do the previous model in terms of further depreciation….
And indeed how these look in terms of lease cost bearing in mind expected depreciation
Downside of an EV not having a soul is there is little interest in owning a past model. Comparable cost cars that might be used as a daily for some like an RS6 for example, you may be interested to have the V10 or the V8 etc….. but with this you’ll never think oooh that battery used from 20019-22 that’s the one I’d like.
The Tesla I use purely for tax purposes is fabulous as a daily but I have zero attachment to it.
And indeed how these look in terms of lease cost bearing in mind expected depreciation
Downside of an EV not having a soul is there is little interest in owning a past model. Comparable cost cars that might be used as a daily for some like an RS6 for example, you may be interested to have the V10 or the V8 etc….. but with this you’ll never think oooh that battery used from 20019-22 that’s the one I’d like.
The Tesla I use purely for tax purposes is fabulous as a daily but I have zero attachment to it.
whp1983 said:
Interested to see what this does do the previous model in terms of further depreciation….
And indeed how these look in terms of lease cost bearing in mind expected depreciation
Downside of an EV not having a soul is there is little interest in owning a past model. Comparable cost cars that might be used as a daily for some like an RS6 for example, you may be interested to have the V10 or the V8 etc….. but with this you’ll never think oooh that battery used from 20019-22 that’s the one I’d like.
The Tesla I use purely for tax purposes is fabulous as a daily but I have zero attachment to it.
I guess part of the depreciation problem is the high starting price and in part is impacted by muddled government ‘stop-go’ policy on EV, as it has been with diesel. And indeed how these look in terms of lease cost bearing in mind expected depreciation
Downside of an EV not having a soul is there is little interest in owning a past model. Comparable cost cars that might be used as a daily for some like an RS6 for example, you may be interested to have the V10 or the V8 etc….. but with this you’ll never think oooh that battery used from 20019-22 that’s the one I’d like.
The Tesla I use purely for tax purposes is fabulous as a daily but I have zero attachment to it.
I don’t buy into the whole ‘soul and attachment’ talk when it comes to cars, surely we can like or dislike, but not love or hate, they’re cars FFS.
I may be alone in this on here, but I think if we see clear and certain policy formulation allied to a less fragmented charging infrastructure (with more chargers), used EV’s will hold their money, comparatively. The market value has nothing to do with soul or attachment, more driven by policy and the pace of battery technology.
It would be fascinating to see how these opinions will be regarded one hundred years from now.
Rat_Fink_67 said:
I think you may have stumbled on to the wrong website..?
Soul and attachment is reserved for my family, friends and pets I’m afraid. Everything has a ‘golden age’ and it may just be that the motoring one has come and gone, sad though it may be there are more important things to get worked up about. When people start to link soul to depreciation then I know I’m on the wrong website!
Depreciation being flagged as a concern by folk who only buy secondhand cars has zero merit in an EV versus ICE debate. Unless you’re buying something very special indeed (GT3 RS.. Pista etc) all cars depreciate regardless of fuel type.
Most people lease these premium EVs through tax efficient schemes, so at this end of the market, 45% of lease payment is income tax (not paid).
Range is no longer an argument for me either, despite being a dyed in wool petrolhead. We recently travelled from Essex to Le Mans (sub 400 miles) in a petrol car, but we stopped twice to stretch our legs, refresh etc. A 20 minute break to refresh the battery would not have impacted our journey in the slightest.
We’ve done the maths at home (I’m a chartered financial analyst) and it now makes sense to sell my wife’s C Class diesel for a leased Macan via her tax efficient work scheme.
Most people lease these premium EVs through tax efficient schemes, so at this end of the market, 45% of lease payment is income tax (not paid).
Range is no longer an argument for me either, despite being a dyed in wool petrolhead. We recently travelled from Essex to Le Mans (sub 400 miles) in a petrol car, but we stopped twice to stretch our legs, refresh etc. A 20 minute break to refresh the battery would not have impacted our journey in the slightest.
We’ve done the maths at home (I’m a chartered financial analyst) and it now makes sense to sell my wife’s C Class diesel for a leased Macan via her tax efficient work scheme.
EV8 said:
It's just that EVs are actually better cars... Sorry. They are. Except for track days or if are you an idiot with straight piped exhaust.
If you define a car as something to move people and things from point A to point B quickly, comfortably and easily (which is a very good definition) then yes I absolutely agree that EVs are just better. We recently changed our family car for an EV and by that definition it's great.I'm not sure I agree that anyone who still likes ICE either needs to do track days or is an idiot though. Much as I adore our EV I have absolutely no intention of selling my ICE sports car, because it is as much a toy as it is a car. It's something I own primarily for fun, the fact it's useful as a car is just a bonus. I find it more fun behind the wheel than any EV I have tried (and I have tried some fast ones). The fact you think rocketship EVs are more fun does not make me wrong.
It's like saying that a roast dinner is objectively better than a burger; they are just different things that different people can enjoy. One might be more nutritionally balanced than the other, or healthier, or have a more nuanced flavour profile, but that doesn't mean people can't prefer the other one.
In my eyes the new design looks fussy, straight lines crash with the overall 991-inspired shape.
I have been really tempted by an OPC-warrantied Taycan as a daily - my company doesn't offer these as SS so it'd be my car allowance paying for it.
I changed my mind when I looked at the insurance...
Cheaper to insure a GT3, for example.
I have been really tempted by an OPC-warrantied Taycan as a daily - my company doesn't offer these as SS so it'd be my car allowance paying for it.
I changed my mind when I looked at the insurance...
Cheaper to insure a GT3, for example.
murphyaj said:
If you define a car as something to move people and things from point A to point B quickly, comfortably and easily (which is a very good definition) then yes I absolutely agree that EVs are just better. We recently changed our family car for an EV and by that definition it's great.
I'm not sure I agree that anyone who still likes ICE either needs to do track days or is an idiot though. Much as I adore our EV I have absolutely no intention of selling my ICE sports car, because it is as much a toy as it is a car. It's something I own primarily for fun, the fact it's useful as a car is just a bonus. I find it more fun behind the wheel than any EV I have tried (and I have tried some fast ones). The fact you think rocketship EVs are more fun does not make me wrong.
It's like saying that a roast dinner is objectively better than a burger; they are just different things that different people can enjoy. One might be more nutritionally balanced than the other, or healthier, or have a more nuanced flavour profile, but that doesn't mean people can't prefer the other one.
Fair points and pretty much matches my own position. I too have a sports car for fun, but it has to be manual for me, despite the state of our overcrowded, pot holed roads. I’ve owned lots of fast, powerful auto’s and honestly think the Taycan is just as enjoyable to drive, but not some of the better manual cars I’ve owned (B7 RS4, E39 M5) or the current one. It’s a very personal thing as you say. I'm not sure I agree that anyone who still likes ICE either needs to do track days or is an idiot though. Much as I adore our EV I have absolutely no intention of selling my ICE sports car, because it is as much a toy as it is a car. It's something I own primarily for fun, the fact it's useful as a car is just a bonus. I find it more fun behind the wheel than any EV I have tried (and I have tried some fast ones). The fact you think rocketship EVs are more fun does not make me wrong.
It's like saying that a roast dinner is objectively better than a burger; they are just different things that different people can enjoy. One might be more nutritionally balanced than the other, or healthier, or have a more nuanced flavour profile, but that doesn't mean people can't prefer the other one.
Most of the EV haters chatting about soul and my personal favourite if you like EVs you're an NPC, might as well just tell us all how insecure you are.
I'd have more respect for them if they did all the work on their 'soul' themselves but I know most of them wouldn't know which way round to hold a spanner and would hand even oil changes off to a "NPC".
The show me on the doll where the nasty EV hurt you really rings true with a few posters on here.
If you don't want one don't buy one, the vast majority of you will be old enough that you can drive around in ICE cars until your kids take your licence off you anyway.
I'd have more respect for them if they did all the work on their 'soul' themselves but I know most of them wouldn't know which way round to hold a spanner and would hand even oil changes off to a "NPC".
The show me on the doll where the nasty EV hurt you really rings true with a few posters on here.
If you don't want one don't buy one, the vast majority of you will be old enough that you can drive around in ICE cars until your kids take your licence off you anyway.
murphyaj said:
If you define a car as something to move people and things from point A to point B quickly, comfortably and easily (which is a very good definition) then yes I absolutely agree that EVs are just better. We recently changed our family car for an EV and by that definition it's great.
I'm not sure I agree that anyone who still likes ICE either needs to do track days or is an idiot though. Much as I adore our EV I have absolutely no intention of selling my ICE sports car, because it is as much a toy as it is a car. It's something I own primarily for fun, the fact it's useful as a car is just a bonus. I find it more fun behind the wheel than any EV I have tried (and I have tried some fast ones). The fact you think rocketship EVs are more fun does not make me wrong.
It's like saying that a roast dinner is objectively better than a burger; they are just different things that different people can enjoy. One might be more nutritionally balanced than the other, or healthier, or have a more nuanced flavour profile, but that doesn't mean people can't prefer the other one.
We're about to purchase an EV for daily duties but my MX5 will stay for some time as my weekend car. I'm convinced EV's can be fun too and fun EVs will have their own merits. It's just that these cars haven't been designed yet (save for a few very expensive options). But in due time they will. I have no doubt that an EV MX5 will be huge fun, even if it might take a generation to sort it out. Hell, the existing mx5s are great fun while the engines haven't been much special, except perhaps the facelift ND engines. But mx5s have proven that fun doesn't only need to depend on the engine.I'm not sure I agree that anyone who still likes ICE either needs to do track days or is an idiot though. Much as I adore our EV I have absolutely no intention of selling my ICE sports car, because it is as much a toy as it is a car. It's something I own primarily for fun, the fact it's useful as a car is just a bonus. I find it more fun behind the wheel than any EV I have tried (and I have tried some fast ones). The fact you think rocketship EVs are more fun does not make me wrong.
It's like saying that a roast dinner is objectively better than a burger; they are just different things that different people can enjoy. One might be more nutritionally balanced than the other, or healthier, or have a more nuanced flavour profile, but that doesn't mean people can't prefer the other one.
Firebobby said:
st33ly said:
SDK said:
ChocolateFrog said:
4.4 miles per kWh (if accurate) is akin to a 1000hp ICE car averaging 70mpg.
In other words very impressive.
4.4 miles per kWh is actually the equivalent of 150 MPGe from an ICE car.In other words very impressive.
A 2.5ton, 900bhp, Lotus Eletre averaging 2.2 miles per kWh (poor EV efficiency) is still more energy efficient than the best diesel or petrol car.
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