RE: 2024 Porsche Taycan Turbo S | UK Review

[Dapster]

Why on earth would you spec a press car in white? It does it no favours at all.

Regardless, the E Tron looks a million times better

[SDK]

st33ly said:

SDK said:

ChocolateFrog said:

4.4 miles per kWh (if accurate) is akin to a 1000hp ICE car averaging 70mpg.

In other words very impressive.

4.4 miles per kWh is actually the equivalent of 150 MPGe from an ICE car.

A 2.5ton, 900bhp, Lotus Eletre averaging 2.2 miles per kWh (poor EV efficiency) is still more energy efficient than the best diesel or petrol car.

Does that also take into consideration the million tons of CO2 produced to make the battery. Oh and don’t forget the child deaths too. Can that some how be calculable?

Not sure if serious

[Robertb]

Well we’ve had depreciation, milk float, CO2 in manufacturing and child deaths.

Just need ‘But what if I want to drive from Calais to Nice in one go towing a 25ft sports cruiser’ then we have Full House.

[theboss]

Robertb said:

Well we’ve had depreciation, milk float, CO2 in manufacturing and child deaths.

Just need ‘But what if I want to drive from Calais to Nice in one go towing a 25ft sports cruiser’ then we have Full House.

Not quite, we need an apocalyptic blizzard which causes thousands of EV owners to freeze to death, as well.

[cerb4.5lee]

Robertb said:

Well we’ve had depreciation, milk float, CO2 in manufacturing and child deaths.

Just need ‘But what if I want to drive from Calais to Nice in one go towing a 25ft sports cruiser’ then we have Full House.

I can't help but think about EVs whenever I fill the car up and I see over 700 miles on the range in fairness. An EV could only dream about a range like that though. However, the reality is that a range of only around 200 miles is more than enough for the majority of folk anyway in fairness.

[theicemario]

Dapster said:

Why on earth would you spec a press car in white? It does it no favours at all.

Regardless, the E Tron looks a million times better

Agree, it should've been miserable fking resale grey like that E-Tron. Way to make a press car stand out

[raspy]

Needs to be under 2 secs 0-60 and over 1,000 bhp. A disappointing effort from Porsche for their flagship Taycan.

[Nomme de Plum]

cerb4.5lee said:

Robertb said:

Well we’ve had depreciation, milk float, CO2 in manufacturing and child deaths.

Just need ‘But what if I want to drive from Calais to Nice in one go towing a 25ft sports cruiser’ then we have Full House.

I can't help but think about EVs whenever I fill the car up and I see over 700 miles on the range in fairness. An EV could only dream about a range like that though. However, the reality is that a range of only around 200 miles is more than enough for the majority of folk anyway in fairness.

We’ve just swopped out a Carrera 4S for the Taycan 4S. My GF was a 911 fanatic but decided the ride was way too harsh and the noise intrusive.

She is much happier in the Taycan. She reckons she must be getting old. (46). I Prefer the Taycan too.

[ChocolateFrog]

SDK said:

ChocolateFrog said:

4.4 miles per kWh (if accurate) is akin to a 1000hp ICE car averaging 70mpg.

In other words very impressive.

4.4 miles per kWh is actually the equivalent of 150 MPGe from an ICE car.

A 2.5ton, 900bhp, Lotus Eletre averaging 2.2 miles per kWh (poor EV efficiency) is still more energy efficient than the best diesel or petrol car.

I know that's not what I meant.

I was talking purely from a performance to efficiency POV.

Surprised the MPGe is as low as that TBH. Better comparison would be the cost per mile. Less than 2p in the Porsche compared to 40p in a similar performance Veyron. (Fuel costs only)

[SDK]

cerb4.5lee said:

I can't help but think about EVs whenever I fill the car up and I see over 700 miles on the range in fairness. An EV could only dream about a range like that though. However, the reality is that a range of only around 200 miles is more than enough for the majority of folk anyway in fairness.

Very few people NEED over 300-400 miles of range, in a single trip without stopping.
Quote - Chris Harris : “Range is limited by the size of your bladder, not the size of your fuel tank”

[ChocolateFrog]

theboss said:

Robertb said:

Well we’ve had depreciation, milk float, CO2 in manufacturing and child deaths.

Just need ‘But what if I want to drive from Calais to Nice in one go towing a 25ft sports cruiser’ then we have Full House.

Not quite, we need an apocalyptic blizzard which causes thousands of EV owners to freeze to death, as well.

They seem to survive in Norway, I'm sure warm and wet UK will be fine.

Can count on one hand the number of times it's been below -10 in England in my lifetime (possibly slight exaggeration but if it's more than 20 days in the last 40 years I'd be surprised.)

Edited by ChocolateFrog on Tuesday 16th July 08:14

[ChocolateFrog]

cerb4.5lee said:

Robertb said:

Well we’ve had depreciation, milk float, CO2 in manufacturing and child deaths.

Just need ‘But what if I want to drive from Calais to Nice in one go towing a 25ft sports cruiser’ then we have Full House.

I can't help but think about EVs whenever I fill the car up and I see over 700 miles on the range in fairness. An EV could only dream about a range like that though. However, the reality is that a range of only around 200 miles is more than enough for the majority of folk anyway in fairness.

I've had a hire car for the last month and I can't help but think about the £80 I've spent on petrol that would have cost me £15 in electricity for 2.5x the performance in my car.

[Firebobby]

st33ly said:

SDK said:

ChocolateFrog said:

4.4 miles per kWh (if accurate) is akin to a 1000hp ICE car averaging 70mpg.

In other words very impressive.

4.4 miles per kWh is actually the equivalent of 150 MPGe from an ICE car.

A 2.5ton, 900bhp, Lotus Eletre averaging 2.2 miles per kWh (poor EV efficiency) is still more energy efficient than the best diesel or petrol car.

Does that also take into consideration the million tons of CO2 produced to make the battery. Oh and don’t forget the child deaths too. Can that some how be calculable?

Difficult to calculate something like that, but as this is a forum about cars are we bothered? If you are then I'd suggest moving to a more appropriate forum and leave the real "piston heads" to discuss cars!

[jenkosrugby]

cerb4.5lee said:

Robertb said:

Well we’ve had depreciation, milk float, CO2 in manufacturing and child deaths.

Just need ‘But what if I want to drive from Calais to Nice in one go towing a 25ft sports cruiser’ then we have Full House.

I can't help but think about EVs whenever I fill the car up and I see over 700 miles on the range in fairness. An EV could only dream about a range like that though. However, the reality is that a range of only around 200 miles is more than enough for the majority of folk anyway in fairness.

And I'm sure the EV drivers cant help but think about what it would cost them to do 700 miles and what it must feel like waking up every morning with a full charge not having to go to a petrol station.......Horses for courses.

[sidesauce]

cerb4.5lee said:

I can't help but think about EVs whenever I fill the car up and I see over 700 miles on the range in fairness. An EV could only dream about a range like that though.

Behold the Vision EQXX:-



It has done 747 miles from a single charge (it also weighs 1755kgs...) which isn't theoretical; it actually was driven that distance. Over two years ago!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billroberson/2022/06/...

Ok, so you'll say "but it's not a production car" - then here's the Lucid Air Grand Touring which does 516 miles:-



My point is, a production BEV with a 700 mile range is not really a dream - it's just a matter of time, and not a too distant time in the future either. Better believe that at least one will be on sale within the next 5 years.

Edited by sidesauce on Tuesday 16th July 08:31

[ChocolateFrog]

jenkosrugby said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Robertb said:

Well we’ve had depreciation, milk float, CO2 in manufacturing and child deaths.

Just need ‘But what if I want to drive from Calais to Nice in one go towing a 25ft sports cruiser’ then we have Full House.

I can't help but think about EVs whenever I fill the car up and I see over 700 miles on the range in fairness. An EV could only dream about a range like that though. However, the reality is that a range of only around 200 miles is more than enough for the majority of folk anyway in fairness.

And I'm sure the EV drivers cant help but think about what it would cost them to do 700 miles and what it must feel like waking up every morning with a full charge not having to go to a petrol station.......Horses for courses.

While hoping few enough people come to the same realisation that I can continue with almost free fuel for a few years yet.

Don't want too many people to catch on and stop paying fuel duty and 20% vat on their fuel while I get it at 5%.

Please keep your mobile burn pits on the road guys.

[sbh071]

st33ly said:

Does that also take into consideration the million tons of CO2 produced to make the battery. Oh and don’t forget the child deaths too. Can that some how be calculable?

https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/data-tools/ev-life-cycle-assessment-calculator

[Terminator X]

ChocolateFrog said:

While hoping few enough people come to the same realisation that I can continue with almost free fuel for a few years yet.

Don't want too many people to catch on and stop paying fuel duty and 20% vat on their fuel while I get it at 5%.

Please keep your mobile burn pits on the road guys.

Saves £10's at the pumps per week whilst losing £50-100 grand in depreciation from new. Makes sense.

TX.

[Harry_523]

The depreciation will only be horrendous if OPC's force people to buy 3 of them to get a GT3RS allocation again...

And f they do, one of these for 60 grand in 2 years is the bargain of the century!

[MrGeoff]

Still can't shake the depreciation on these BEVs. As someone else rightly pointed out, the average private consumer cannot stomach that and the only consumer that will is a business individual.

Also, the wheels on this car are hideous, what were they thinking? I'm assuming the white lip has some aero properties but still, they look terrible...