RE: 2024 Porsche Taycan Turbo S | UK Review

[D4rez]

h0b0 said:

Here is mine (Twiggy) with the carbon fiber blade wheels.



The car was delivered yesterday and within a few miles it was clear Chunky (my Cayenne GTS) was old technology.

We experimented with charging for the first time. It was at 46%. Wanted to get to 80% so left it for 20 minutes. It was at 97% when we returned. Also, the wife was concerned about parking it at the Mall but the charger spaces are huge and protected.

The acceleration is like nothing else automotive I have experienced. I was shocked when I first put my foot down. It’s more roller coaster than car. But, I very quickly realized the Turbo S is unnecessary and the 4S would meet anyone’s need. I went with this Turbo S because it is very highly spec’s and I took advantage of depreciation. It has lost 62% of value in 4 years. That feels like pre-covid depreciation. The UK used to have extremely cheap second hand cars compared to the US, and now you don’t. I would imagine an S-Class Merc has lost the same percentage.

Stop with your actual ownership review, I want to hear more from people who can’t afford one

[limpsfield]

D4rez said:

Stop with your actual ownership review, I want to hear more from people who can’t afford one

There are so few EV reviews from actual owners as we are normally dead within a week from the battery fire. I know I was.

[Nomme de Plum]

limpsfield said:

D4rez said:

Stop with your actual ownership review, I want to hear more from people who can’t afford one

There are so few EV reviews from actual owners as we are normally dead within a week from the battery fire. I know I was.

Strange here i am well more than a year later with my 2 EVs, not driven simultaneously, obviously, no fires no drama of fuss just 20kM or so of trouble free and quiet driving.

[cerb4.5lee]

D4rez said:

h0b0 said:

Here is mine (Twiggy) with the carbon fiber blade wheels.



The car was delivered yesterday and within a few miles it was clear Chunky (my Cayenne GTS) was old technology.

We experimented with charging for the first time. It was at 46%. Wanted to get to 80% so left it for 20 minutes. It was at 97% when we returned. Also, the wife was concerned about parking it at the Mall but the charger spaces are huge and protected.

The acceleration is like nothing else automotive I have experienced. I was shocked when I first put my foot down. It’s more roller coaster than car. But, I very quickly realized the Turbo S is unnecessary and the 4S would meet anyone’s need. I went with this Turbo S because it is very highly spec’s and I took advantage of depreciation. It has lost 62% of value in 4 years. That feels like pre-covid depreciation. The UK used to have extremely cheap second hand cars compared to the US, and now you don’t. I would imagine an S-Class Merc has lost the same percentage.

Stop with your actual ownership review, I want to hear more from people who can’t afford one

I'm just surprised that no one has had a go at him for mentioning the depreciation with them to be fair, because the none owners of Taycans aren't allowed to mention it in comparison!

[limpsfield]

Nomme de Plum said:

limpsfield said:

D4rez said:

Stop with your actual ownership review, I want to hear more from people who can’t afford one

There are so few EV reviews from actual owners as we are normally dead within a week from the battery fire. I know I was.

Strange here i am well more than a year later with my 2 EVs, not driven simultaneously, obviously, no fires no drama of fuss just 20kM or so of trouble free and quiet driving.

You're obviously not doing it properly.

Someone will be along shortly to explain why, with a handy link to a Chinese Youtube channel.

I would type more but I can't, on account of being dead in an EV fire.

[Nomme de Plum]

limpsfield said:

You're obviously not doing it properly.

Someone will be along shortly to explain why, with a handy link to a Chinese Youtube channel.

I would type more but I can't, on account of being dead in an EV fire.

Am I due a parrot?

[anonymous-user]

EV drivers, true to form

[Nomme de Plum]

murphyaj said:

I haven't had time to go through all 12 pages of the thread. Anybody care to check and see if we have bingo yet?

This is more than a little tongue-in-cheek of course. Many of these are actual legitimate criticisms, others are bullst, but they are the same arguments that go round and round and round and round and round, which is quite amusing to watch.

It's worth repeating for those less open minded.

[cerb4.5lee]

Nomme de Plum said:

murphyaj said:

I haven't had time to go through all 12 pages of the thread. Anybody care to check and see if we have bingo yet?

This is more than a little tongue-in-cheek of course. Many of these are actual legitimate criticisms, others are bullst, but they are the same arguments that go round and round and round and round and round, which is quite amusing to watch.

It's worth repeating for those less open minded.

You aren't open minded anymore to engines though, so surely it works both ways?

That chart is a cracker though in fairness.

[h0b0]

Nomme de Plum said:

murphyaj said:

I haven't had time to go through all 12 pages of the thread. Anybody care to check and see if we have bingo yet?

This is more than a little tongue-in-cheek of course. Many of these are actual legitimate criticisms, others are bullst, but they are the same arguments that go round and round and round and round and round, which is quite amusing to watch.

It's worth repeating for those less open minded.

Some are good discussion points.

I’ve been surprised by some of the reactions I’ve been getting. “Why does it say turbo when it doesn’t have one?!?” Was said at the car wash in quite a rude manner considering he was cleaning my car. My response “Turbo S”. I have a personality trait, suited to Porsche ownership when you are an ass to me, I am an ass back. I did also go on to say it is model designation and all gas Porsches are turbos now but no one seems to care about that. At the other end of the car wash I was smiling when I saw a young employee jump into the car so he could drive it.

Not turning this political, but those that vote one party here think I have fallen victim to an elaborate scam. I’ve asked them to explain why and haven’t got a reasoned argument. My own feelings is that the drive to EV is about decoupling us from middle eastern oil. Nothing to do with the environment.

Charge times. I was uneducated and assumed you would always charge to 100%. If you do that in most EVd it does take a long time. But 10-80% in 17 minutes gets me over 200 miles.

Range. Just like petrol cars, they are sensitive to how you use them. But, in different ways. Petrol cars produce heat as a result of a lower efficiency. EVs a hugely impacted by producing heat from the battery. Driving styles hurts range. My Cayenne will do 500 miles to a tank on motorways. However, I typically get 320 miles to a tank. (Cayennes of my generation have the long range tank as standard)

Soul. It was said earlier in this thread that the soul of a petrol car is a mix of how it deals with compromise. I agree, and I also agree there’s no soul to an EV. But, a petrol car is like riding a pedal bike and an EV is like riding an electric bike. Biking enthusiasts get their pleasure out of riding. Electric bike riders may get their enjoyment out of what they see. Most biking enthusiasts will never see the point of an electric bike. For reference my bike is a push bike. My scooter is electric. I ride my bike for the ride. I use my scooter for the commute. Their purpose isn’t interchangeable.

Cost more to insure. Cayenne and Audi Q3 are $1200 each. Taycan $1600 a year. So, yes. I’m at the point of renewing insurance. All three went up 60% just because insurance companies need money to refuel their corporate jets.

My daily commute - one mile to the train station on my scooter. Don’t use a car. If I did, the Taycan would be the best choice for almost any distance. Years ago I was considering a job that had a 60 mile commute. The Tesla would have been perfect. Enough range to get there and back. But, I’d do a reverse commute. Charging it at the office for free. There’s also discounts on all tolls including bridges.

Battery needs to be replaced. A valid point. This car comes with a 10 year warranty. My Cayenne had a 10 year warranty on the transfer case. I took it in with no symptoms to ask them what they thought. Less than a minute later they had approval for a replacement. I hope to have a similar experience. If not, I will deal with it at the time. Also, what about battery tech? Isn’t this out of date?!?!? Yes it is. However, Porsche already offer updated batteries for panamera hybrids and we have been told newer batteries will be available for Taycan’s. It’s possible I will be able to keep up with modern battery tech.

Too heavy. I’m fat.

Will only do one lap. Yeah, but it will do it faster making all races endurance now 😉

[Nomme de Plum]

cerb4.5lee said:

Nomme de Plum said:

murphyaj said:

I haven't had time to go through all 12 pages of the thread. Anybody care to check and see if we have bingo yet?

This is more than a little tongue-in-cheek of course. Many of these are actual legitimate criticisms, others are bullst, but they are the same arguments that go round and round and round and round and round, which is quite amusing to watch.

It's worth repeating for those less open minded.

You aren't open minded anymore to engines though, so surely it works both ways?

That chart is a cracker though in fairness.

I'm not sure what you man about engines. I've rebuilt and built them since I was 16. Then comes a point when something superior comes along. WE used log tables, slide rules, various tombs and bibles for thermodynamic tables etc etc. We had calculators then computers, spreadsheets, word processors and now apps. Life moves win.

I find it really strange that my Grandfather who died in 1987 embraced every new and never feared advancement. He started his career on the last sailing ships.

Yet here we are in 2024 where some people seem afraid of the advancement that modern technology will bring. I'd hate to be that person who is fearful in their 30s, 40s, 50s.

ICEs will be remembered for what they were. An interesting hundred years or so. Maybe a bit like steam in the 1700s which was superseded a couple of hundred years or so later. Change just happens more rapidly now.

[Nomme de Plum]

h0b0 said:

Nomme de Plum said:

murphyaj said:

I haven't had time to go through all 12 pages of the thread. Anybody care to check and see if we have bingo yet?

This is more than a little tongue-in-cheek of course. Many of these are actual legitimate criticisms, others are bullst, but they are the same arguments that go round and round and round and round and round, which is quite amusing to watch.

It's worth repeating for those less open minded.

Some are good discussion points.

I’ve been surprised by some of the reactions I’ve been getting. “Why does it say turbo when it doesn’t have one?!?” Was said at the car wash in quite a rude manner considering he was cleaning my car. My response “Turbo S”. I have a personality trait, suited to Porsche ownership when you are an ass to me, I am an ass back. I did also go on to say it is model designation and all gas Porsches are turbos now but no one seems to care about that. At the other end of the car wash I was smiling when I saw a young employee jump into the car so he could drive it.

Not turning this political, but those that vote one party here think I have fallen victim to an elaborate scam. I’ve asked them to explain why and haven’t got a reasoned argument. My own feelings is that the drive to EV is about decoupling us from middle eastern oil. Nothing to do with the environment.

Charge times. I was uneducated and assumed you would always charge to 100%. If you do that in most EVd it does take a long time. But 10-80% in 17 minutes gets me over 200 miles.

Range. Just like petrol cars, they are sensitive to how you use them. But, in different ways. Petrol cars produce heat as a result of a lower efficiency. EVs a hugely impacted by producing heat from the battery. Driving styles hurts range. My Cayenne will do 500 miles to a tank on motorways. However, I typically get 320 miles to a tank. (Cayennes of my generation have the long range tank as standard)

Soul. It was said earlier in this thread that the soul of a petrol car is a mix of how it deals with compromise. I agree, and I also agree there’s no soul to an EV. But, a petrol car is like riding a pedal bike and an EV is like riding an electric bike. Biking enthusiasts get their pleasure out of riding. Electric bike riders may get their enjoyment out of what they see. Most biking enthusiasts will never see the point of an electric bike. For reference my bike is a push bike. My scooter is electric. I ride my bike for the ride. I use my scooter for the commute. Their purpose isn’t interchangeable.

Cost more to insure. Cayenne and Audi Q3 are $1200 each. Taycan $1600 a year. So, yes. I’m at the point of renewing insurance. All three went up 60% just because insurance companies need money to refuel their corporate jets.

My daily commute - one mile to the train station on my scooter. Don’t use a car. If I did, the Taycan would be the best choice for almost any distance. Years ago I was considering a job that had a 60 mile commute. The Tesla would have been perfect. Enough range to get there and back. But, I’d do a reverse commute. Charging it at the office for free. There’s also discounts on all tolls including bridges.

Battery needs to be replaced. A valid point. This car comes with a 10 year warranty. My Cayenne had a 10 year warranty on the transfer case. I took it in with no symptoms to ask them what they thought. Less than a minute later they had approval for a replacement. I hope to have a similar experience. If not, I will deal with it at the time. Also, what about battery tech? Isn’t this out of date?!?!? Yes it is. However, Porsche already offer updated batteries for panamera hybrids and we have been told newer batteries will be available for Taycan’s. It’s possible I will be able to keep up with modern battery tech.

Too heavy. I’m fat.

Will only do one lap. Yeah, but it will do it faster making all races endurance now ??

Great post.

A pragmatist living in the real world.

Nothing is perfect and in some ways an electric car is less imperfect but it depends on one's metrics.

[h0b0]

Apologies for the spelling mistakes. I fell down the stairs an hour ago and I’m laying in bed in agony considering if I should go to the hospital, and if I do which car to take. Will they have charging?

[Nomme de Plum]

h0b0 said:

Apologies for the spelling mistakes. I fell down the stairs an hour ago and I’m laying in bed in agony considering if I should go to the hospital, and if I do which car to take. Will they have charging?

My smelling pistakes are renown.


Maybe a glass of something.

[h0b0]

I just heard this and think it works well here.

Going to EV is like going from film camera to digital. Totally makes sense to me.

[MightyBadger]

Rat_Fink_67 said:

EV drivers, true to form

Have only been in two EV threads but seems accurate

[Capitan Obvio]

SDK said:

cerb4.5lee said:

I can't help but think about EVs whenever I fill the car up and I see over 700 miles on the range in fairness. An EV could only dream about a range like that though. However, the reality is that a range of only around 200 miles is more than enough for the majority of folk anyway in fairness.

Very few people NEED over 300-400 miles of range, in a single trip without stopping.
Quote - Chris Harris : “Range is limited by the size of your bladder, not the size of your fuel tank”

It’s true. But what people need and want are different when buying cars.
Very few people NEED the ability to accelerate from 0-60mph in less than 3 seconds. But many will buy a particular car based on this very stat.

[ZesPak]

Capitan Obvio said:

Very few people NEED the ability to accelerate from 0-60mph in less than 3 seconds. But many will buy a particular car based on this very stat.

and that's how we ended up with most "enthusiast" cars having automatic gearboxes, 4wd and more computing power than Deep Blue.
The range madness will hopefully subside if more people get accustomed to EV ownership.

[cerb4.5lee]

Capitan Obvio said:

SDK said:

cerb4.5lee said:

I can't help but think about EVs whenever I fill the car up and I see over 700 miles on the range in fairness. An EV could only dream about a range like that though. However, the reality is that a range of only around 200 miles is more than enough for the majority of folk anyway in fairness.

Very few people NEED over 300-400 miles of range, in a single trip without stopping.
Quote - Chris Harris : “Range is limited by the size of your bladder, not the size of your fuel tank”

It’s true. But what people need and want are different when buying cars.
Very few people NEED the ability to accelerate from 0-60mph in less than 3 seconds. But many will buy a particular car based on this very stat.

That is one of the big reasons why we've always gone for diesels for the high mileage usage, because the high range just gives you a bit of piece of mind for us. Others will see things differently of course though.

I also bought the M4 mainly for its performance, even though I can't use all of the performance for all of the time, and it is just nice that you know you have it when you do(I guess that Taycan owners feel similar on that as well).

I wouldn't want a slow car in the same way that I wouldn't want an EV with a low range either. I genuinely hope that EVs keep climbing when it comes to range, because we can charge at home, so perhaps one day an EV could fit as a car to do the high mileage I think. It would be a damn sight cheaper to run too I'd imagine.

[mark-3bw80]

You can dress it up all you want but its only got one trick, acceleration. still a soul less milk float with hidious wheels.