RE: AMG breaks its own Nordschleife record
Discussion
Numeric said:
I don't think I agree - drive with a great driver (or ride behind a great rider) and you see them do things that unless you have reasonable talent by which I mean hand eye coordination, you can not replicate.
Now in say an M2 OG you may be right - the car is lacking downforce so if you drive slower it doesn't cause much issue, but with a car like this you have to get it 'working' before you will see delivery of performance, think riding an enduro bike where extra speed will carry you through but fear of your lack of talent causes you to approach the problem at a lower speed so it all goes wrong. It's the same here - unless you are 'on it' the car goes to sleep and it actually becomes harder to drive, so you back off more. So while an average (mean) driver might get close in a more basic car, with these hyper style cars I think you could be made to look very daft if you think money will buy you a degree of talent.
As I lack both money and talent this is not an issue likely to trouble me!
Excellent analogy with the enduro bike: head says 'pin it', balls say 'slow the f down'! I've instructed many guys transitioning to track from enduro/motocross (and more often than not, they're VERY good), but on occasion when I meet them for a laugh on their turf for some off-road shenanigans, they just make me look like a tree stump with the speeds/confidence they deploy! Haha!Now in say an M2 OG you may be right - the car is lacking downforce so if you drive slower it doesn't cause much issue, but with a car like this you have to get it 'working' before you will see delivery of performance, think riding an enduro bike where extra speed will carry you through but fear of your lack of talent causes you to approach the problem at a lower speed so it all goes wrong. It's the same here - unless you are 'on it' the car goes to sleep and it actually becomes harder to drive, so you back off more. So while an average (mean) driver might get close in a more basic car, with these hyper style cars I think you could be made to look very daft if you think money will buy you a degree of talent.
As I lack both money and talent this is not an issue likely to trouble me!
smilo996 said:
The 959 of hypercars. Definitely at the bottom of the list of the current crop. Likely a technical tour de force, let down by being very dull, fortunately stopping short of the truly 959 hideous 959 which was eclipsed by the flamboyant F40 & buried by the F1.
To list a few.....
It's a reasonable analogy. The reviews I've seen of the One are distinctly middling, with the complexity, lack of aural drama, and questionable reliability all combining to make it a little underwhelming.To list a few.....
By comparison, what little I've seen on the Aston is very complimentary.
These cars are of course hugely compromised because of what they set out to achieve, but there are still bragging rights and Athena poster sales to be fought over

I've decided that I'm OK with 'Ring times for this class of car. ("Thank goodness!", I hear you groan!
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80/90s: 0-60 and top speed were a decent Top Trump metric, and not so stratospheric as to be unachievable by mere mortals, even on the public road (for 0-60, at least).
That has changed rapidly, and so many of these hyper road and track cars are now either in air conditioned cocoons or simply never going to be taken to their potential, certainly not on the road.
The 'Ring for "normal" cars (hatches, estates) is a waste of resources, developing cars barely suitable for the poor condition of many public roads (some exceptions noted, e.g. Civic Type-R).
However, setting a 'Ring time in the hypercars gives a reasonably well controlled comparison of each vehicles capabilities when pushed to their limits, and some owners could probably deploy and thus enjoy at least 90% of that performance potential.
So well done, AMG Mercedes! Now, who's next...?

80/90s: 0-60 and top speed were a decent Top Trump metric, and not so stratospheric as to be unachievable by mere mortals, even on the public road (for 0-60, at least).
That has changed rapidly, and so many of these hyper road and track cars are now either in air conditioned cocoons or simply never going to be taken to their potential, certainly not on the road.
The 'Ring for "normal" cars (hatches, estates) is a waste of resources, developing cars barely suitable for the poor condition of many public roads (some exceptions noted, e.g. Civic Type-R).
However, setting a 'Ring time in the hypercars gives a reasonably well controlled comparison of each vehicles capabilities when pushed to their limits, and some owners could probably deploy and thus enjoy at least 90% of that performance potential.
So well done, AMG Mercedes! Now, who's next...?
pycraft said:
Ross14 said:
we await the McMurty Spierling having ago...,
Won't it need to recharge halfway around?Running at 100% (F1 pace) it wouldn't make a complete lap.
At GT3 pace it would do at least 2 laps...
See here for details:
https://mcmurtry.com/speirling-pure/
Skeptisk said:
I wonder how much quicker the CGT would be on the latest tyres? Obviously not a minute but 10-15 seconds?
I think modern Cup 2 R tyres would make a CGT meaningfully faster than before. KW already offer a special ‘Ring optimised damper kit and perhaps some even better ceramics could add up to a much faster car as the fundamentals of the CGT are still fantastic some 20 years on. Might be on par with one of Manthey GT Porsches.But where an upgraded CGT would never match modern stuff is Aero. The CGT was the first car I drove where I felt it would hunker down at speed. (Probably only a few kilos of downforce !) but this new stuff has so much aero that it’s positively glued to the track and can melt rubber. Of course there very few people that can access aero grip anywhere so when I see a 992 GT3RS being driven down the high street, I think it’s a little ludicrous.
Amazing laptime from this Merc which is increasingly gaining my interest. However in the context of this multi million pound mega-hyper-car for absolute sheer pace the laptimes from the mere (Manthey-ed) GT3s and GT2s are even more bonkers!.
jmcc500 said:
Gecko1978 said:
It would be interesting to know how fast the average customer would be I assume even with that car times would be minuets slower and likely never get close to it's true potential. Nice looking hyper car though does more for me than say a Chiron or what ever the new one is called
Doesn't Nico Rosberg own one? He might get pretty close 
I suspect this thing will take some serious commitment to drive at the limit.
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