RE: Land Rover previews 'most capable electric SUV'
Discussion
JD said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I'd beat my kids with a stick...if they ever mentioned wanting to drive an EV! 
Does it ever get boring playing this character?Obviously the kids can like what they like, and they don't have to be like me of course. They'll probably be miles better for it too I'd imagine!
Julian Scott said:
Have KSI stats worsened as the weight/performance of cars has gotten greater?
As you know many factors comes into play: road infrastucture, speed limits, radars, behavior, cars safety features... Also modern sub 3000lbs cars are also much safer now.
In the USA, road fatalities are actually on the rise.
It's like an arms race. Because there's more and more enormous cars on the road, people don't feel safe anymore in small ones so they tend to follow the trend.
Funny that you can't buy car with a low bonnet because of pedestrian crash regulations but there's no problem with those SUV with enormous front facia...
theicemario said:
Having a large number of very tall 3t+ “light” passenger vehicles on our roads can only be a good thing.
Until you get hit by one, that is.
https://flowingdata.com/2024/09/04/weight-of-cars-...
Looking more and more like an American colony over here. Time to import an F-650 and be done with it
You do have to keep in mind that the American idea of a big vehicle isn't the same as ours.Until you get hit by one, that is.
https://flowingdata.com/2024/09/04/weight-of-cars-...
Looking more and more like an American colony over here. Time to import an F-650 and be done with it
otolith said:
theicemario said:
Having a large number of very tall 3t+ “light” passenger vehicles on our roads can only be a good thing.
Until you get hit by one, that is.
https://flowingdata.com/2024/09/04/weight-of-cars-...
Looking more and more like an American colony over here. Time to import an F-650 and be done with it
You do have to keep in mind that the American idea of a big vehicle isn't the same as ours.Until you get hit by one, that is.
https://flowingdata.com/2024/09/04/weight-of-cars-...
Looking more and more like an American colony over here. Time to import an F-650 and be done with it
blistacompact said:
Julian Scott said:
Have KSI stats worsened as the weight/performance of cars has gotten greater?
As you know many factors comes into play: road infrastucture, speed limits, radars, behavior, cars safety features... Also modern sub 3000lbs cars are also much safer now.
In the USA, road fatalities are actually on the rise.
It's like an arms race. Because there's more and more enormous cars on the road, people don't feel safe anymore in small ones so they tend to follow the trend.
Funny that you can't buy car with a low bonnet because of pedestrian crash regulations but there's no problem with those SUV with enormous front facia...
Anything heavier than 6000lb gets classified as a truck, so isn’t subject to the same regulations as passenger cars
This EV Range Rover isn't exactly breaking new ground in terms of weight or size.
The US comparison doesn't stack up for a number of reasons.
1) The Range Rover is quite diminutive compared to a full size US pick up truck (FSUSPUT).
2) The Range Rover has far better visibility than a FSUSPUT.
3) The Range Rover isn't built on a body on frame construction to far lower safety standards than a car would be, the FSUSPUT is.
4) Range Rovers have been ~3000kg since 2002, the L405 was nearly 500kg lighter than the L322, so the weight of the EV Range Rover will be more akin to an L322 than to a FSUSPUT.
However, I concede that the fact that the majority of EV's for sale have a lot of weight, and very high accelerative performance compared to ICE equivalents is a recipe for some big accidents, but again, nothing new, the RRS crash onto railway tracks in London was a classic example of high-speed-high-weight issues.
The EV Range Rover is not going to 'save the planet' but if someone who would have bought a diesel one buys an EV one then there is a new positive I suppose.
The US comparison doesn't stack up for a number of reasons.
1) The Range Rover is quite diminutive compared to a full size US pick up truck (FSUSPUT).
2) The Range Rover has far better visibility than a FSUSPUT.
3) The Range Rover isn't built on a body on frame construction to far lower safety standards than a car would be, the FSUSPUT is.
4) Range Rovers have been ~3000kg since 2002, the L405 was nearly 500kg lighter than the L322, so the weight of the EV Range Rover will be more akin to an L322 than to a FSUSPUT.
However, I concede that the fact that the majority of EV's for sale have a lot of weight, and very high accelerative performance compared to ICE equivalents is a recipe for some big accidents, but again, nothing new, the RRS crash onto railway tracks in London was a classic example of high-speed-high-weight issues.
The EV Range Rover is not going to 'save the planet' but if someone who would have bought a diesel one buys an EV one then there is a new positive I suppose.
otolith said:
theicemario said:
Having a large number of very tall 3t+ “light” passenger vehicles on our roads can only be a good thing.
Until you get hit by one, that is.
https://flowingdata.com/2024/09/04/weight-of-cars-...
Looking more and more like an American colony over here. Time to import an F-650 and be done with it
You do have to keep in mind that the American idea of a big vehicle isn't the same as ours.Until you get hit by one, that is.
https://flowingdata.com/2024/09/04/weight-of-cars-...
Looking more and more like an American colony over here. Time to import an F-650 and be done with it
if I was a wealthy man I’d certainly have one for towing and messing about it. otolith said:
theicemario said:
Having a large number of very tall 3t+ “light” passenger vehicles on our roads can only be a good thing.
Until you get hit by one, that is.
https://flowingdata.com/2024/09/04/weight-of-cars-...
Looking more and more like an American colony over here. Time to import an F-650 and be done with it
You do have to keep in mind that the American idea of a big vehicle isn't the same as ours.Until you get hit by one, that is.
https://flowingdata.com/2024/09/04/weight-of-cars-...
Looking more and more like an American colony over here. Time to import an F-650 and be done with it
p1stonhead said:
That’s a F150 so I don’t think that really counts as a big American pickup. The big stuff like F250, F350 etc are much much larger. In UK terms it would be like suggesting a Range Rover evoke is a big car, when there are a couple of bigger Range Rover models in the range.ducnick said:
That’s a F150 so I don’t think that really counts as a big American pickup. The big stuff like F250, F350 etc are much much larger. In UK terms it would be like suggesting a Range Rover evoke is a big car, when there are a couple of bigger Range Rover models in the range.
Yeah, I considered using the larger ones, I thought the biggest selling one was large enough to make the point.Harry H said:
JoshSm said:
p1stonhead said:
My last RR was terminally unreliable and costly and I went in fully eyes open.
If this electric version means effectively no moving parts, and good reliability it may actually tempt me back (once they drop price like a stone)
I wouldn’t have an ICE one again. Too much to go wrong
I wouldn't necessarily bet on improved reliability, experience suggests it's just a chance for new exciting types of faults plus all the usual from the many many parts that aren't significantly different. Especially all the fun electrical & software bugs some brands enjoy don't go away, they just have new room to play.If this electric version means effectively no moving parts, and good reliability it may actually tempt me back (once they drop price like a stone
)I wouldn’t have an ICE one again. Too much to go wrong
Plus the new simpler part count inevitably means that if something needs fixing it's a replacement of a big expensive sealed lump of drive unit or battery.
Guess it all depends which bits you expect to go wrong & how and the ICE bits were just a fraction of it.
I'm in both camps at the moment. Electric for the daily commute and petrol for hoofing it up motorways. No way would I attempt to combine the two.
blistacompact said:
Julian Scott said:
Have KSI stats worsened as the weight/performance of cars has gotten greater?
As you know many factors comes into play: road infrastucture, speed limits, radars, behavior, cars safety features... Also modern sub 3000lbs cars are also much safer now.
In the USA, road fatalities are actually on the rise.
It's like an arms race. Because there's more and more enormous cars on the road, people don't feel safe anymore in small ones so they tend to follow the trend.
Funny that you can't buy car with a low bonnet because of pedestrian crash regulations but there's no problem with those SUV with enormous front facia...
Glenn63 said:
otolith said:
theicemario said:
Having a large number of very tall 3t+ “light” passenger vehicles on our roads can only be a good thing.
Until you get hit by one, that is.
https://flowingdata.com/2024/09/04/weight-of-cars-...
Looking more and more like an American colony over here. Time to import an F-650 and be done with it
You do have to keep in mind that the American idea of a big vehicle isn't the same as ours.Until you get hit by one, that is.
https://flowingdata.com/2024/09/04/weight-of-cars-...
Looking more and more like an American colony over here. Time to import an F-650 and be done with it
if I was a wealthy man I’d certainly have one for towing and messing about it. For context, Doug is 1.91m (or 6' 3") tall!
GT9 said:
Gecko1978 said:
My question is how much does battery range depreciate over time.
Degradation is not typically linear, there is usually an early year degradation around the 1% p.a. level that then starts to plateau.The plateau will probably last the life of most UK cars and remain above 90%, or even 95%.
The key thing to understand is that degradation for early EVs from say ten years ago is not representative of recently manufactured cars, the situation is improving all the time.
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