RE: 2025 Maserati GranTurismo Folgore | UK Review

[sidesauce]

Notwithstanding letting someone else taking the depreciation 'hit' first, this will be my next car - absolutely love it and have been waiting for them to be available.

Edited by sidesauce on Wednesday 5th March 16:48

[Julian Scott]

cerb4.5lee said:

I'm torn because I like Maserati, but I don't like EV(although the torque figure in this does impress me though). I haven't got a £180k to throw away either, so I guess that it just doesn't matter really. Plus if I did have a £180k to throw at a car, I'd would definitely have an engine under the bonnet anyway for me.

I think this is where Maserati have pulled a blinder. Developing a car that is a (softly) ground breaking EV alongside a petrol version (although loss of V8 is to be lamented).

That said, the entry model being £140k before you start is a punchy part of the market.

[Julian Scott]

BigChiefmuffinAgain said:

Julian Scott said:

Gecko1978 said:

If you drive it at high speed it won't do 280 miles will it. You might drive 100 miles without stopping I often do 160 on a trip. So will it do that many miles at 70 to 85mph if so then it's fine if not then range is an issue

I'd put money on the fact it would easily do 160 miles at 70-85mph.

So in effect, every 2 hours on the motorway you would have to take a half hour break to recharge it, assuming you can find a fast charger which wasn't being used.

Can't see many want to use this as a GT car which seems to defeat the whole purpose of this. And my V8 manager far better range on a motorway. 400 miles is easy.

It'd be more like every three hours. And I never drive for more than 3 hours without a stop (my car would need fuel close to that point anyway) and my body needs a coffee/drink and a piss at that same 3 hour interval. That stop has never been under 20mins even without getting fuel, closer to 30mins by the time I've then driven to the fuel station part of a decent service station, parked, fulled and paid.

So even a 200-mile range EV would be no more inconvenient.

The flip side of course is that for the rest of the time, I'd never need to visit a fuel station.

Of all the people I know with EVs, no-one spends as much personal time in 'fuelling' their car up as I do with mine. That's my choice to have a thirsty V8 though ;-)

[Julian Scott]

stuart100 said:

Maseratis need an ICE. Otherwise they are not really a Maserati. Same goes for Ferrari, Lamborghini etc and the other greats. Yes times are changing but an EV Maser... Not interested. Perhaps many years into the future when there is no choice.

2 of the 3 versions of this car have an ICE.

[TNH]

Stunning car, especially in the spec in the photos.

I think I'd rather have the V6 version and save the money but when they get legislated out something like this will be just the ticket!

[Julian Scott]

Aids0G said:

This is where EV's in general fall down, the long distance road trips. December last year I went Skiing for a long weekend, drove down in one go just under 800 miles circa 12 hours (0 degrees and windy) with one stop for diesel 4 up in my old X5. On the way down we worked out my wife's I-Pace would have needed 4/5 stops for a 1.5 hour charge assuming circa 160-180 miles range at 85mph, just not viable.

EV's are wonderful on a 50% of the range long bit of string from home, this Maserati is stunning but will anyone unless its a tax thing buy one over a V6 Trofeo?

So for someone who does an 800 mile non-stop journey, they are still a way off. For the other 99.99% they (technically) work fine.

Plus, current EVs are a generation newer than the I-Pace, and next gen will be even better.

[Julian Scott]

je777 said:

It looks great.
But how many people will spend that much money - knowing that it will depreciate like a stone - for a heavy, emotionless (to most - let's be honest) sportscar?
EVs have their place: sportscars are not it.

Standard petrol Maseratis being famed for their depreciation proof residuals?

[Aids0G]

Julian Scott said:

Aids0G said:

This is where EV's in general fall down, the long distance road trips. December last year I went Skiing for a long weekend, drove down in one go just under 800 miles circa 12 hours (0 degrees and windy) with one stop for diesel 4 up in my old X5. On the way down we worked out my wife's I-Pace would have needed 4/5 stops for a 1.5 hour charge assuming circa 160-180 miles range at 85mph, just not viable.

EV's are wonderful on a 50% of the range long bit of string from home, this Maserati is stunning but will anyone unless its a tax thing buy one over a V6 Trofeo?

So for someone who does an 800 mile non-stop journey, they are still a way off. For the other 99.99% they (technically) work fine.

Plus, current EVs are a generation newer than the I-Pace, and next gen will be even better.

That's a fair point and a 200 mile range would suit 80% of my driving needs.

Trouble is we buy cars to cover broad bases including the extremes of 800 mile + journeys and its going to be a while before an EV can cover the outlying 20% of what an ICE car can offer and given the price point of this Maserati its 'GT' credentials let it down vs the V6.

[Maccmike8]

Looks great. Beauty. Still ICE though. However, if there was a car to convert you to ev, this could be it.

Edited by Maccmike8 on Wednesday 5th March 21:41

[Julian Scott]

Aids0G said:

Julian Scott said:

Aids0G said:

This is where EV's in general fall down, the long distance road trips. December last year I went Skiing for a long weekend, drove down in one go just under 800 miles circa 12 hours (0 degrees and windy) with one stop for diesel 4 up in my old X5. On the way down we worked out my wife's I-Pace would have needed 4/5 stops for a 1.5 hour charge assuming circa 160-180 miles range at 85mph, just not viable.

EV's are wonderful on a 50% of the range long bit of string from home, this Maserati is stunning but will anyone unless its a tax thing buy one over a V6 Trofeo?

So for someone who does an 800 mile non-stop journey, they are still a way off. For the other 99.99% they (technically) work fine.

Plus, current EVs are a generation newer than the I-Pace, and next gen will be even better.

That's a fair point and a 200 mile range would suit 80% of my driving needs.

Trouble is we buy cars to cover broad bases including the extremes of 800 mile + journeys and its going to be a while before an EV can cover the outlying 20% of what an ICE car can offer and given the price point of this Maserati its 'GT' credentials let it down vs the V6.

Even if 800mile journeys are 20% of your driving, and you want one car to do everything (as I do), EVs aren't for you. But a lot of cars wouldn't be for you. Neither of our cars would be. A big diesel SUV is your best tool....until EVs can offer a 5-600 miles range and/or 60-80% recharging in 10mins (but we're not that far off that).

And the lower spec GT would be a better tool (although not for 4 up for 12 hours) - but if the range topper with c800bhp was ICE, it still probably wouldn't be the GT car for the job.


But the 'once every 5 years I need to drive 7,000 miles' often proposed argument is a little weak and dare I say stubborn. I hire a van half a dozen times per year as I need to carry a van load of stuff to either Scotland or Wales. I also need to hire a minibus a couple of times per year.

Hiring a van/minibus for 6 or 8 days per year is substantially preferable to having a 6 seater large van all year round, because I don't want 357 days of compromised driving just because of those 8 days. That's called logic. The same logic as the 'once every 5 years I need to drive 7,000 miles' fraternity choose to ignore! (not you...if 20% of your driving is that 800mile trip it's a different matter!).

[stuart100]

Julian Scott said:

stuart100 said:

Maseratis need an ICE. Otherwise they are not really a Maserati. Same goes for Ferrari, Lamborghini etc and the other greats. Yes times are changing but an EV Maser... Not interested. Perhaps many years into the future when there is no choice.

2 of the 3 versions of this car have an ICE.

Yes I know. I was just referring to the EV.

[Aids0G]

Julian Scott said:

Aids0G said:

Julian Scott said:

Aids0G said:

This is where EV's in general fall down, the long distance road trips. December last year I went Skiing for a long weekend, drove down in one go just under 800 miles circa 12 hours (0 degrees and windy) with one stop for diesel 4 up in my old X5. On the way down we worked out my wife's I-Pace would have needed 4/5 stops for a 1.5 hour charge assuming circa 160-180 miles range at 85mph, just not viable.

EV's are wonderful on a 50% of the range long bit of string from home, this Maserati is stunning but will anyone unless its a tax thing buy one over a V6 Trofeo?

So for someone who does an 800 mile non-stop journey, they are still a way off. For the other 99.99% they (technically) work fine.

Plus, current EVs are a generation newer than the I-Pace, and next gen will be even better.

That's a fair point and a 200 mile range would suit 80% of my driving needs.

Trouble is we buy cars to cover broad bases including the extremes of 800 mile + journeys and its going to be a while before an EV can cover the outlying 20% of what an ICE car can offer and given the price point of this Maserati its 'GT' credentials let it down vs the V6.

Even if 800mile journeys are 20% of your driving, and you want one car to do everything (as I do), EVs aren't for you. But a lot of cars wouldn't be for you. Neither of our cars would be. A big diesel SUV is your best tool....until EVs can offer a 5-600 miles range and/or 60-80% recharging in 10mins (but we're not that far off that).

And the lower spec GT would be a better tool (although not for 4 up for 12 hours) - but if the range topper with c800bhp was ICE, it still probably wouldn't be the GT car for the job.


But the 'once every 5 years I need to drive 7,000 miles' often proposed argument is a little weak and dare I say stubborn. I hire a van half a dozen times per year as I need to carry a van load of stuff to either Scotland or Wales. I also need to hire a minibus a couple of times per year.

Hiring a van/minibus for 6 or 8 days per year is substantially preferable to having a 6 seater large van all year round, because I don't want 357 days of compromised driving just because of those 8 days. That's called logic. The same logic as the 'once every 5 years I need to drive 7,000 miles' fraternity choose to ignore! (not you...if 20% of your driving is that 800mile trip it's a different matter!).

You are spot on about the charging, a 450 mile (winter 0 degrees, wet, windy etc) range but with a 80% recharge in 15 mins would be just fine and I think your right it cant be long perhaps 10 years until that is a reality for mainstream (larger) cars.

In the meantime you might be right, why not just hire something. However it is great that a vehicle like the X5 (2015 vintage!) can at a lowish entry cost point cover all the bases for me 28,000 miles a year of general driving + those long trips. It is the the ultimate flexibility of an ICE vehicle that EV's will probably never truly be able to replicate.

[paddy1970]

Looking forward to pick up one for £30k soon...

[swisstoni]

paddy1970 said:

Looking forward to pick up one for £30k soon...

The one. It might be worth something on rarity alone.

[The Dictator]

I think that looks fabulous, but who is going to buy one? Second hand premium cars do not seem to hold their value well.

[M138]

9k rpm said:

This will make the Taycan depreciation rate look glacial.

At £20k more than a Taycan Turbo S you will really have want a trident on the front.

Bit more class than a Taycan.

[AndrewNR]

SpadeBrigade said:

Is anyone actually going to buy one though? I think they are seriously going to struggle to sell many of these at that price point.

That was my thought. Looks too similar to the older models too IMO.

[Resolutionary]

That bonnet is massive, and yet can't be opened / has no storage space. Seems odd.
Ain't a bad looking thing though.

[Justin-ow582]

AndrewNR said:

SpadeBrigade said:

Is anyone actually going to buy one though? I think they are seriously going to struggle to sell many of these at that price point.

That was my thought. Looks too similar to the older models too IMO.

You say that like it's a bad thing. To me, looking like the previous GranTurismo is one of it's stand-out attributes.

[jenkosrugby]

je777 said:

It looks great.
But how many people will spend that much money - knowing that it will depreciate like a stone - for a heavy, emotionless (to most - let's be honest) sportscar?
EVs have their place: sportscars are not it.