Supercars spotted, some rarities (vol 8)

[RSTurboPaul]

BunkMoreland said:

Longy00000 said:

There is nothing wrong with that plate on a Senna.

The whole car is a tribute to the man and if someone wants a plate that continues that tribute then I really don't see the issue.

Its a pretty terrible tribute to the man though.

Given the only road car he had any real advice on was the NSX, a car that rewarded good driving and didn't rely on a ton of technology so most people can drive it very fast without the skill.

I doubt he'd go for the overly complicated tricked up 720s that looks awful

We look forward to a thread on your Test Drive and subsequent purchase of something else with your £800k...

[Don1]

Can we please get back to cars and not sanctimonious moaning about other people’s choices please?

Such as this - a slight cheat as it was at a car meet today, but as a working vehicle….

[Wheel Turned Out]

Don1 said:

Can we please get back to cars and not sanctimonious moaning about other people s choices please?

Such as this - a slight cheat as it was at a car meet today, but as a working vehicle .

Surely without any of that PH would basically disappear.

2CV Shop are currently selling an H-Van with a Rover V8 shoved in the front. Bet that's a bit terrifying.

[Don1]

True, but like the cooking van, Thyme and Plaice

Back to the cars. This was lurking in the field behind Bell Sport & Classic. I had never seen one like this before, the lengthened floor pan seems strange to my eyes. I don’t know if I like it or not, but glad I’ve seen it.

[autofocus]

Hi,

Visiting a mate who has a unit on Trafford Park, Manchester. Headed to the end of the road to turn around and this greeted me.

Looked lovely in the sun.



Regards

Tim

[SydneyBridge]

The G is the 4 wheel version of the 6 wheel, I think...

[Mabbs9]

autofocus said:

Hi,

Visiting a mate who has a unit on Trafford Park, Manchester. Headed to the end of the road to turn around and this greeted me.

Looked lovely in the sun.



Regards

Tim

Very nice!

[C5_Steve]

SydneyBridge said:

The G is the 4 wheel version of the 6 wheel, I think...

It's a G650 Landaulet. You're thinking of the 4x4 squared thing I think.

[BunkMoreland]

RSTurboPaul said:

We look forward to a thread on your Test Drive and subsequent purchase of something else with your £800k...

Congratulations on missing the point spectacularly!

McLaren Senna is probably amazing to drive. Even a fool like me will go super fast round a track in it. The tech in it is cutting edge.

Its is however fking hideous!

BUT

Do you REALLY think that Ayrton himself would have liked it?

A reminder of the car he DID like





A car that's pretty far removed from what the McLaren represents. The NSX was all about the driver making the difference. The purity of man and machine without layers of tech. To me, THATS the type of car that would honour him. Had he lived, he'd probably have loved the McLaren F1 for its lack of driver aids. I know McLaren didn't do special editions of cars back then. But a McLaren F1 "Senna edition" would have been mega!

My hypothetical £800k goes here btw

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19955848

[Wheelspinning]

Longy00000 said:

There is nothing wrong with that plate on a Senna.

The whole car is a tribute to the man and if someone wants a plate that continues that tribute then I really don't see the issue.

Tbf, it says more about the people commenting on a perfectly legal plate that they deliberately overlooked a McLaren Senna in gulf colours being driven about.

Jealousy must be a terrible burden....

[paulguitar]

BunkMoreland said:

A reminder of the car he DID like

That car was for sale recently, asking price was £500k!

Lovely thing. Hopefully, whoever bought it is using it, rather than hiding it away somewhere.

[Wheelspinning]

BunkMoreland said:

Congratulations on missing the point spectacularly!

McLaren Senna is probably amazing to drive. Even a fool like me will go super fast round a track in it. The tech in it is cutting edge.

Its is however fking hideous!

BUT

Do you REALLY think that Ayrton himself would have liked it?

A reminder of the car he DID like

You post a pic from 1990 of Senna with a then company car he was given by his then engine manufacturer of his F1 car.

The Senna was not designed to be 'pretty'; it was designed to excel on the track which it did on launch around 8 years ago and still does now.

It's funny how the same people who criticised the Senna now fawn over the 992 GT3RS which effectively borrowed every design cue from the Senna.

Bruno Senna was involved in the testing and development and still has one; it would be safe to say Senna with his McLaren connection would have definitely been involved in the development and testing of this and also had one had he still been alive.

I don't think anyone missed your point spectacularly.

[LotusOmega375D]

BunkMoreland said:

A car that's pretty far removed from what the McLaren represents. The NSX was all about the driver making the difference. The purity of man and machine without layers of tech. To me, THATS the type of car that would honour him. Had he lived, he'd probably have loved the McLaren F1 for its lack of driver aids.

The McLaren F1 was launched in 1992. Senna died in May 1994 and was a McLaren driver from 1988 -1993, so throughout its gestation and development. It seems strange that he only seems to be remembered for input into the NSX. Did he not have anything to do with the F1?

[paulguitar]

LotusOmega375D said:

The McLaren F1 was launched in 1992. Senna died in May 1994 and was a McLaren driver from 1988 -1993, so throughout its gestation and development. It seems strange that he only seems to be remembered for input into the NSX. Did he not have anything to do with the F1?

Ay18ton did not have any direct involvement in developing the F1. Also, his work on the NSX is often significantly exaggerated.

[BunkMoreland]

paulguitar said:

Ay18ton did not have any direct involvement in developing the F1. Also, his work on the NSX is often significantly exaggerated.

Very true. He was asked for a few thoughts. He wasn't involved in NSX really. But I believe he genuinely appreciated it. (sponsor or not)

I think with McLaren F1 he was concentrating on the championship. Majority of track work for the road car iirc was done by Jolyons dad and Mika

[Mr Tidy]

paulguitar said:

That car was for sale recently, asking price was £500k!

Lovely thing. Hopefully, whoever bought it is using it, rather than hiding it away somewhere.

How much!

I sat in it at a PHSS at Honda UK in 2015 and was surprised it was an auto. I wonder why they are selling?

[havoc]

BunkMoreland said:

paulguitar said:

Ay18ton did not have any direct involvement in developing the F1. Also, his work on the NSX is often significantly exaggerated.

Very true. He was asked for a few thoughts. He wasn't involved in NSX really. But I believe he genuinely appreciated it. (sponsor or not)

His input IS exaggerated, BUT he made one fundamental contribution which DID have a major impact on the car - he said it felt too fragile, he pushed for a stiffer chassis. Honda, off the back of this, significantly upped chassis / torsional stiffness, which would have had a notable impact on consistency of handling...which is one of the things the car is famed for.

Mr Tidy said:

paulguitar said:

That car was for sale recently, asking price was £500k!

Lovely thing. Hopefully, whoever bought it is using it, rather than hiding it away somewhere.

How much!

I sat in it at a PHSS at Honda UK in 2015 and was surprised it was an auto. I wonder why they are selling?

Because they want to cash-in off the Senna association while modern classics are in the ascendancy.

AIUI (if this is the Portugese car), the car was never owned by Senna - it was a Honda car which they loaned to him when he was in Portugal. So there may well be some artistic licence in the marketing of the car / its' provenance. Sure he drove it - much more than once. But it wasn't HIS car in the way that a certain NA2 was most definitely Jenson Button's car.

[matherto]

RSTurboPaul said:

BunkMoreland said:

Longy00000 said:

There is nothing wrong with that plate on a Senna.

The whole car is a tribute to the man and if someone wants a plate that continues that tribute then I really don't see the issue.

Its a pretty terrible tribute to the man though.

Given the only road car he had any real advice on was the NSX, a car that rewarded good driving and didn't rely on a ton of technology so most people can drive it very fast without the skill.

I doubt he'd go for the overly complicated tricked up 720s that looks awful

We look forward to a thread on your Test Drive and subsequent purchase of something else with your £800k...

Such an awful counterpoint.

Not allowed to be critical of something if you can’t afford it

[Dapster]

havoc said:

BunkMoreland said:

paulguitar said:

Ay18ton did not have any direct involvement in developing the F1. Also, his work on the NSX is often significantly exaggerated.

Very true. He was asked for a few thoughts. He wasn't involved in NSX really. But I believe he genuinely appreciated it. (sponsor or not)

His input IS exaggerated, BUT he made one fundamental contribution which DID have a major impact on the car - he said it felt too fragile, he pushed for a stiffer chassis. Honda, off the back of this, significantly upped chassis / torsional stiffness, which would have had a notable impact on consistency of handling...which is one of the things the car is famed for.

Mr Tidy said:

paulguitar said:

That car was for sale recently, asking price was £500k!

Lovely thing. Hopefully, whoever bought it is using it, rather than hiding it away somewhere.

How much!

I sat in it at a PHSS at Honda UK in 2015 and was surprised it was an auto. I wonder why they are selling?

Because they want to cash-in off the Senna association while modern classics are in the ascendancy.

AIUI (if this is the Portugese car), the car was never owned by Senna - it was a Honda car which they loaned to him when he was in Portugal. So there may well be some artistic licence in the marketing of the car / its' provenance. Sure he drove it - much more than once. But it wasn't HIS car in the way that a certain NA2 was most definitely Jenson Button's car.

This is an actual car he owned - his name is on the V5 and it sold recently for £230k - approx 6 to 10 times the market value



https://rmsothebys.com/auctions/lf25/lots/r0012-19...

[havoc]

Dapster said:

This is an actual car he owned - his name is on the V5 and it sold recently for £230k - approx 6 to 10 times the market value



https://rmsothebys.com/auctions/lf25/lots/r0012-19...

And whilst I wouldn't pay that sort of premium for the association, I can understand why some people would.

With the red NSX, it all feels a little bit 'trying too hard'...although presumably some fool will be along before long with more money than sense...