Urban myths about cars

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carl_w

9,172 posts

258 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Crow555 said:
"The Polo name has been a source of speculation. Some people believed it was a reference to polar winds, in keeping with Volkswagen's penchant for naming its watercooled cars after winds and currents, but many fans insist that it is in fact a pun on the Golf's name, because "golf" and "polo" are both words (in both English and German) for upper-class sports. The fact that the Polo's original saloon derivative was named the Derby gives more credence to the latter theory, since derby, like polo, refers to an equestrian sport."
But we already ascertained that the Golf was named after the gulfstream, yet there werem Golf models called Driver and Caddy.

Rob_J

13,262 posts

221 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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carl_w said:
Crow555 said:
"The Polo name has been a source of speculation. Some people believed it was a reference to polar winds, in keeping with Volkswagen's penchant for naming its watercooled cars after winds and currents, but many fans insist that it is in fact a pun on the Golf's name, because "golf" and "polo" are both words (in both English and German) for upper-class sports. The fact that the Polo's original saloon derivative was named the Derby gives more credence to the latter theory, since derby, like polo, refers to an equestrian sport."
But we already ascertained that the Golf was named after the gulfstream, yet there werem Golf models called Driver and Caddy.
And the gear levers knob used to be dimpled like a golfball

Crow555

1,037 posts

194 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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carl_w said:
But we already ascertained that the Golf was named after the gulfstream, yet there werem Golf models called Driver and Caddy.
Sorry, I must've missed that in the previous posts. I always imagined it was linked to the Golf in terms of sporting names but it is interesting that there are other naming theories out there.

cg360

609 posts

237 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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mackie1 said:
cg360 said:
mat205125 said:
m4tthew said:
Mk2 Gti 8v has more torque than the 16v rolleyes
Not peak, but I believe the useful torque was spread over a wider usable band, and could be argued to be the better car for normal driving where you don't want to thrash the tits off it and stir the gears constantly


Pic shows what people who've had both know - it feels like it has more torque, but in fact at no time does the 8v have more than the 16v.

I've had both, btw.

Edited by cg360 on Friday 14th March 13:20
Is the gearing the same?
I think only 5th gear is different for the most part, being longer on the 16v, but I have heard that later examples had a longer 2nd as well, pushing its reach over 60mph.


fourwheelsteer

869 posts

252 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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cg360 said:
mackie1 said:
cg360 said:
mat205125 said:
m4tthew said:
Mk2 Gti 8v has more torque than the 16v rolleyes
Not peak, but I believe the useful torque was spread over a wider usable band, and could be argued to be the better car for normal driving where you don't want to thrash the tits off it and stir the gears constantly


Pic shows what people who've had both know - it feels like it has more torque, but in fact at no time does the 8v have more than the 16v.

I've had both, btw.

Edited by cg360 on Friday 14th March 13:20
Is the gearing the same?
I think only 5th gear is different for the most part, being longer on the 16v, but I have heard that later examples had a longer 2nd as well, pushing its reach over 60mph.
Nope, 5th gear on the 16v was slightly lower, closing the gap between 4th and 5th. At least, that is true for all the Golf GTI data I've been able to fine.

robbo1

842 posts

282 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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Negative Creep said:
A K&N filter and Peco exhaust will add 30bhp to a 1.2 Corsa - fact.
Only if you have blue LEDs on the washer jets as well!
biggrin

cg360

609 posts

237 months

Friday 14th March 2008
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You're right, fws. Lower fifth on valvers. More available revs makes the top speed higher.

Had golfs yourself, then?

CraigW

12,248 posts

282 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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ELAN+2 said:
CraigW said:
ELAN+2 said:
The one that really annoys me(anorak mode) is that the Lotus 900 series engine was based on the Vauxhall slant 4 of the same era, in reality Lotus noticed the bore centres of the Vauxhall lump were the same as thier new engine and used the vauxhall blocks to speed up head development. A variation of this engine was used in the Europa shaped race cars. The engine Lotus supplied to Jensen was a totally Lotus design with an alloy block as also used in the Elite/Eclat/Excell and Esprit. A derivative was also used in the Sunbeam Lotus.

Mark
god yeah, I can see why, I'd be livid wink
What I was trying to get at is the poorly researched "all you need to know" type magazine articles and books that profess to be the definative guide to a a given subject that are full of glaring errors, a bit like a 911 is really a re bodied beetle with a big engine!!
fairplay mate wink

Sway

26,250 posts

194 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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Was told once that if you gave a Mercedes of '90s vintage a decent kick to the centre of either front or rear bumper, the car would think it had been in a collision and would unlock/open all doors....

Come to think of it, the guy who told me always seemed to have a few 'bits for sale' scratchchin Never found out if it was true though.


Oh, and can't believe no-one has posted 'hybrids are better for the environment' yet. :snigger:



liner33

10,690 posts

202 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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Sway said:
Was told once that if you gave a Mercedes of '90s vintage a decent kick to the centre of either front or rear bumper, the car would think it had been in a collision and would unlock/open all doors....

Come to think of it, the guy who told me always seemed to have a few 'bits for sale' scratchchin Never found out if it was true though.


Oh, and can't believe no-one has posted 'hybrids are better for the environment' yet. :snigger:
Montegos of a certain age would , we found that out playing football near one

Gizmo535

18,150 posts

209 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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liner33 said:
Sway said:
Was told once that if you gave a Mercedes of '90s vintage a decent kick to the centre of either front or rear bumper, the car would think it had been in a collision and would unlock/open all doors....

Come to think of it, the guy who told me always seemed to have a few 'bits for sale' scratchchin Never found out if it was true though.


Oh, and can't believe no-one has posted 'hybrids are better for the environment' yet. :snigger:
Montegos of a certain age would , we found that out playing football near one
Also supposed to work on E30 and E34 BMWs. However, I own an E34 BMW and can vouch that it's either b*ll*cks, or that system's broken on mine hehe

vdubbin

2,165 posts

197 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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Volvo's had a variation of this, a sufficiently severe blow (say, from a baseball bat or hurley) to the front tyres would pop the central locking...

_Batty_

12,268 posts

250 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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i was told that you could unlock a Sierra with a half a tennis ball over the lock.
something to do with pressuring the locks?

and certain VAGs would drop all their windows if you put a empty biro in door locks?

confused

paulshears

804 posts

197 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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[quote=carl_wBut we already ascertained that the Golf was named after the gulfstream, yet there werem Golf models called Driver and Caddy.
[/quote]

there was a Ryder too.....as in Ryder Cup

chris.mapey

4,778 posts

267 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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_Batty_ said:
i was told that you could unlock a Sierra with a half a tennis ball over the lock.
something to do with pressuring the locks?

and certain VAGs would drop all their windows if you put a empty biro in door locks?

confused
Aaah the fabled tennis ball trick wink - as I understand it, the tennis ball trick only works for cars with pneumatic locking (Merc / VAG etc) not for Ford's solenoid system nerd

another, as I understand it -

The tale attributed to Lancia (the moving some cars to get them homolgated) was done once by Lotus to get the Lotus Cortina approved for racing. Thay hadn't made enough, so put the ones they had in one field, showed the inspector, then claimed the rest were in a strorage yard on the other side of Norwich - the chap with the inspector stopped for a long lunch in a pub, and most of the factory employees then moved the cars to the other site. I believe that the requirements for homologation were lower then (200 cars IIRC) so it's more 'plausible'...

Another favourite was Volvo homologating the 240 Turbo for Touring car racing.

None of the road cars turbos were actually plumbed in when they were delivered... The turbos were mounted on the correct exhaust manifold, but the induction side was the standard injection that went nowhere near the turbo - if you plumbed the turbo in you invalidated your warranty wink

nerd attention to detail in design - the aerial on the original Lexus LS changes it's length when you change from FM to AM as the optimum length for best reception is different for different frequencies wink

I'm sure I'll remember some more but I'm distracted having found an old Fast Lane mag from 1986 that features the Vector cloud9

Chris

Dracoro

8,681 posts

245 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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_Batty_ said:
i was told that you could unlock a Sierra with a half a tennis ball over the lock.
Stick ANYTHING into an old ford door lock and you'll be able to open it.

As proved by a mate who proudly showed us his Escort Mexico. Of the group of us, ALL had at least one key on their keyfob that would open the car biggrinbiggrin

Road_Terrorist

5,591 posts

242 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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Dracoro said:
_Batty_ said:
i was told that you could unlock a Sierra with a half a tennis ball over the lock.
Stick ANYTHING into an old ford door lock and you'll be able to open it.

As proved by a mate who proudly showed us his Escort Mexico. Of the group of us, ALL had at least one key on their keyfob that would open the car biggrinbiggrin
That's quite true, Ford keys will usually work in other Ford type locks, especially if they are a bit old and worn. I could take the key from my Mk2 Cortina and open most of my Mk2 Escorts very easily, especially the boot lock.

tali1

5,266 posts

201 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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Watchdog showed that Peugeot 406 boots and VW Golf windows are v easy to open
A nail will start a JCB.

Road_Terrorist

5,591 posts

242 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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chris.mapey said:
The tale attributed to Lancia (the moving some cars to get them homolgated) was done once by Lotus to get the Lotus Cortina approved for racing. Thay hadn't made enough, so put the ones they had in one field, showed the inspector, then claimed the rest were in a strorage yard on the other side of Norwich - the chap with the inspector stopped for a long lunch in a pub, and most of the factory employees then moved the cars to the other site. I believe that the requirements for homologation were lower then (200 cars IIRC) so it's more 'plausible'...
I've heard that tale in regard to the Sierra RS500. I think they made like 1000 cars for the Lotus Cortina homologation.

Tet

1,196 posts

204 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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Dracoro said:
Stick ANYTHING into an old ford door lock and you'll be able to open it.
I once had a Capri that I opened with a rolled up 5 pound note in the lock as I'd lost my keys...