RE: PH Heroes: Ford Sierra RS Cosworth
Discussion
clonmult said:
Mate had an XR4i years back, that was pretty sweet even though it was only packing around 150bhp, one of these would be heavenly!
What sort of weight are they dragging around? 200bhp in one of those is surely more effective than 200bhp in a lardy scooby?
Just done a quick google and it seems they are around the 1200kg mark. What sort of weight are they dragging around? 200bhp in one of those is surely more effective than 200bhp in a lardy scooby?
m4tthew said:
clonmult said:
Mate had an XR4i years back, that was pretty sweet even though it was only packing around 150bhp, one of these would be heavenly!
What sort of weight are they dragging around? 200bhp in one of those is surely more effective than 200bhp in a lardy scooby?
Just done a quick google and it seems they are around the 1200kg mark. What sort of weight are they dragging around? 200bhp in one of those is surely more effective than 200bhp in a lardy scooby?
Ford XR4x4 Kerb weight (1300Kg)
For early cars with a big heavy 4x4 system that's not bad and very comparable to the Cossie.
Not so Lardy!!
Great write up. The only Cosworth ive yet to drive. Im early twenties but ive always loved these cars. Owned a Fiesta RS turbo (still do infact) and always wanted to move onto Cosworth Onwership. Never happened unfortuanely. Wish i had now though.
The 3door Cossie does look the amazing. It aswell as the other Sapphire and Escort Cosworths (Let alone the RS500) are special cars. All with motorsport heritage, not like these modern day FWD focus hot hatches.
One thing always confuses me with the Cosworth image is the ''council estate hero'' image. 15K + back in the mid eighties was a HECK of alot of money. Not many Council estate low income people could afford a car of such status.
Even now the cars (in good condition) commande a hefty premium. (RS500 18k+). Maybe it was in the early ninties the 3door cosworth being nearly 7-8 years old the value dropped and it was then considered such a car before the values went stabalised and went up again?!
What do you think?
Carlos
The 3door Cossie does look the amazing. It aswell as the other Sapphire and Escort Cosworths (Let alone the RS500) are special cars. All with motorsport heritage, not like these modern day FWD focus hot hatches.
One thing always confuses me with the Cosworth image is the ''council estate hero'' image. 15K + back in the mid eighties was a HECK of alot of money. Not many Council estate low income people could afford a car of such status.
Even now the cars (in good condition) commande a hefty premium. (RS500 18k+). Maybe it was in the early ninties the 3door cosworth being nearly 7-8 years old the value dropped and it was then considered such a car before the values went stabalised and went up again?!
What do you think?
Carlos
dxb335d said:
Great write up. The only Cosworth ive yet to drive. Im early twenties but ive always loved these cars. Owned a Fiesta RS turbo (still do infact) and always wanted to move onto Cosworth Onwership. Never happened unfortuanely. Wish i had now though.
The 3door Cossie does look the amazing. It aswell as the other Sapphire and Escort Cosworths (Let alone the RS500) are special cars. All with motorsport heritage, not like these modern day FWD focus hot hatches.
One thing always confuses me with the Cosworth image is the ''council estate hero'' image. 15K + back in the mid eighties was a HECK of alot of money. Not many Council estate low income people could afford a car of such status.
Even now the cars (in good condition) commande a hefty premium. (RS500 18k+). Maybe it was in the early ninties the 3door cosworth being nearly 7-8 years old the value dropped and it was then considered such a car before the values went stabalised and went up again?!
What do you think?
Carlos
The early ninties wasnt a good time for these cars,mainly being due to the fact that there were virtually uninsurable,same for the rs turbos,Astra 16v Gte's and similar cars,and values dropped,they were for nothing!,i remember buying a 89/f 50k sapphire cossie in 1994 for £3500! it lovely aswell!,buy 1995ish insurance started to become affordable,i was 22 a could insure a cossie for £1500,still alot of money when your earning £150 per week,but values i would say nearly doubled over a couple of years,i sold my 3dr low miles cossie for £8250 in 1999,how many cars are still worth the same if not more now?The 3door Cossie does look the amazing. It aswell as the other Sapphire and Escort Cosworths (Let alone the RS500) are special cars. All with motorsport heritage, not like these modern day FWD focus hot hatches.
One thing always confuses me with the Cosworth image is the ''council estate hero'' image. 15K + back in the mid eighties was a HECK of alot of money. Not many Council estate low income people could afford a car of such status.
Even now the cars (in good condition) commande a hefty premium. (RS500 18k+). Maybe it was in the early ninties the 3door cosworth being nearly 7-8 years old the value dropped and it was then considered such a car before the values went stabalised and went up again?!
What do you think?
Carlos
f1stoxfan said:
dxb335d said:
Great write up. The only Cosworth ive yet to drive. Im early twenties but ive always loved these cars. Owned a Fiesta RS turbo (still do infact) and always wanted to move onto Cosworth Onwership. Never happened unfortuanely. Wish i had now though.
The 3door Cossie does look the amazing. It aswell as the other Sapphire and Escort Cosworths (Let alone the RS500) are special cars. All with motorsport heritage, not like these modern day FWD focus hot hatches.
One thing always confuses me with the Cosworth image is the ''council estate hero'' image. 15K + back in the mid eighties was a HECK of alot of money. Not many Council estate low income people could afford a car of such status.
Even now the cars (in good condition) commande a hefty premium. (RS500 18k+). Maybe it was in the early ninties the 3door cosworth being nearly 7-8 years old the value dropped and it was then considered such a car before the values went stabalised and went up again?!
What do you think?
Carlos
The early ninties wasnt a good time for these cars,mainly being due to the fact that there were virtually uninsurable,same for the rs turbos,Astra 16v Gte's and similar cars,and values dropped,they were for nothing!,i remember buying a 89/f 50k sapphire cossie in 1994 for £3500! it lovely aswell!,buy 1995ish insurance started to become affordable,i was 22 a could insure a cossie for £1500,still alot of money when your earning £150 per week,but values i would say nearly doubled over a couple of years,i sold my 3dr low miles cossie for £8250 in 1999,how many cars are still worth the same if not more now?The 3door Cossie does look the amazing. It aswell as the other Sapphire and Escort Cosworths (Let alone the RS500) are special cars. All with motorsport heritage, not like these modern day FWD focus hot hatches.
One thing always confuses me with the Cosworth image is the ''council estate hero'' image. 15K + back in the mid eighties was a HECK of alot of money. Not many Council estate low income people could afford a car of such status.
Even now the cars (in good condition) commande a hefty premium. (RS500 18k+). Maybe it was in the early ninties the 3door cosworth being nearly 7-8 years old the value dropped and it was then considered such a car before the values went stabalised and went up again?!
What do you think?
Carlos
Seems they slumped for reasons you have mentioned then picked up again. Escort cossies were the same but always commanded a big price (relatively speaking) but dropped a little only to hold and in some instances appreciate.
I remember looking at a couple of escort cossies 3 years ago for over 20k!
Would still love one of each of the Cosworths.
Carlos
The Dirty Bubble said:
If only you could find one that hasn't been thrashed to within an inch of its life.
This quote (which I think is from the EVO back pages section) is so far from the truth, having owned a few Cossies (all models 2wd/4wd/& Escort) in fact there are many very well looked after Cossies out there. 
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this article really brought me back , I remember going with my dad looking at a moonstone blue one in the dealer in weybridge. I remember seeing Andy rouse et al and all the other touring cars at the time. This car does have a type of local hero status and everyone remembers who had one at the time or a different story that goes with the car and thats whats special about them. I remember going to a detomaso and lamborghini track day where the sierra cosworths around castle combe at least had a very odd and pronounced cork screw motion between front and rear as it went round corners meanwhile a Ferrari 328 at the time fluidly overtook the local hero looking totally composed. As the americans would say its not a "finesse" side when talking about football teams , this sort of fits the cosworth and I think the cosworth is bizarely all the better for that.....loveit
Edited by tvralfagtv6 on Wednesday 19th March 12:21
rallycross said:
This quote (which I think is from the EVO back pages section) is so far from the truth, having owned a few Cossies (all models 2wd/4wd/& Escort) in fact there are many very well looked after Cossies out there.
The well looked after ones are probably all in de-humidified garages and only brought out for RSOC meetings. You don't see that many on the roads on a daily basis, whereas the off-white rusting smoke machines with a fat shaven-headed man on board are not such a rare sight.That car brings back such fantastic memories for me. The first time I saw one I was an eleven year old boy on holiday in Devon and the car in question was a white one on the front of a magazine on a rack outside a newsagent's shop. It looked so radical to me I thought it was a concept - I couldn't believe it when I found out they were actually making it! The first time I saw one for real (a black one) it drove past my house and parked down the road, its owner visiting one of my neighbours. To say I legged-it down the road to have a look would be a masterpiece of understatement. I would have made Linford Christie look slow that day! The Cossie remained one of my favourite cars for many, many years. Only the Ferrari Testarossa managed to compete successfully for some of the space in my daydreams and on my bedroom wall!
Anyway... off to the classifieds!!
Anyway... off to the classifieds!!
My mate had a 3dr 'Cossie' and was a great car.. Recaro Seats were ace, not unlike the RS Turbo ones and i loved the ready-steady-whooosh power delivery...
What amazes me is back in the day the Sierra was a big car and now it 'feels smaller than a golf'
How fat have modern cars become??
Speaking of Scoobies. The early 'Classic' scoobs are around 1200-1250kg but the latter bug-eyed onwards ones you are looking nearer 1500kg.
Not unlike alot of british people, cars have got fat!!!
What amazes me is back in the day the Sierra was a big car and now it 'feels smaller than a golf'
How fat have modern cars become??
Speaking of Scoobies. The early 'Classic' scoobs are around 1200-1250kg but the latter bug-eyed onwards ones you are looking nearer 1500kg.
Not unlike alot of british people, cars have got fat!!!
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