RE: Audi R8 V12 TDI

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planetdave

9,921 posts

252 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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forza whites said:
V10 version exists....its called a Gallardo!!

planetdave said:
I cant help but think the V8 and V10 versions would be better that this........*speachless* creation given forced induction.
R8 V10 exists (and it's not the Lambo engine) and will hit the showrooms in but a few weeks.

Forced induction would make it quite 'exciting' yes

ferrisbueller

29,262 posts

226 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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Kevin Hackett said:
The R8 trannie wouldn't fit because of the size of the V12. The team had three months from the time they were asked to create a driveable car in time for the Detroit motor show. So there was never any way they'd get a bespoke gearbox in time. Same goes for suspension components and plenty of other aspects but hats off to Audi for turning this round in such a short time and letting idiots like us actually drive it.

As for Autocar, Matt managed 35mph, not 55 and the concensus of opinion was that they were a bit more relaxed with our group as we were the last ones to try it before it was sent back to Germany.
Artistic license then?

Autocar issue 2 April 2008 p.33 3rd para. said:
Within a couple of seconds it's all over; as we pass 2000rpm and 55mph...
Having said that 2000rpm for 55mph does seem leggy for 3rd.



Edited by ferrisbueller on Monday 7th April 20:23

mc_blue

2,548 posts

217 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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This is a rubbish idea. If you're in the market for a car that'll cost over 100 grand I think the fuel cost isn't a deciding factor at all. The fuel economy really isn't that good either. Only if the diesel engine is superior to a petrol version should be considered.

ZeeTacoe

5,444 posts

221 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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hahithestevieboy

845 posts

213 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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mc_blue said:
This is a rubbish idea. If you're in the market for a car that'll cost over 100 grand I think the fuel cost isn't a deciding factor at all. The fuel economy really isn't that good either. Only if the diesel engine is superior to a petrol version should be considered.


Maybe not, but it maybe to the bloke you sell it to when you get bored with it and if not him, then the guy after that. Especially in a world of rocketing fuel prices. The residuals should be pretty strong...

LathamJohnP

4,414 posts

283 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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This is just another "we did it 'cos we can" VAG halo project, and I for one couldn't give a stuff.

MPG and CO2 concerns are for little people with little cars, tax bands and social consciences.

Supercars are the stuff of dreams. I do not dream of diesels.

If I wanted something faster than an R8 V8 (petrol), I'd get a R8 V10 TT (petrol). If they're prepared to reengineer the car like this, they should put in a R8 V12 TT (petrol). More capacity, more cylinders, more turbochargers. That's supercar progress.

I don't care how much torque it has. There's a chap on the HSV forum having his Monaro fitted with a 7 litre TT engine (petrol), it'll have more power AND torque than this derv Audi, and the engine package will be smaller and lighter. And that's a couple of blokes working in sheds. We know VAG can do this stuff properly, just look at the Veyron. Is that it now?

John

mc_blue

2,548 posts

217 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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I understand why they've done it, the novelty, being the first to do it. Also, in marketing and PR terms it's a great idea to be first.

If you assume 5000 miles per year and consider that a Ferrari F430 would do 14 MPG the annual fuel cost would be around £1950 per annum (assuming £1.20 per litre).
If you assume the same mileage in the R8 and 28 MPG average the fuel cost would be £980. So around a grand a year to run a diesel instead of a petrol car unless my calculations are wrong.

When one considers the other running costs of a vehicle commanding a price of 100k I don't think this is important enough. Unless the diesel offers a better driving experience over its petrol counterpart, I feel this isn't the best application for a performance diesel.

As you have suggested residuals will be high however, I feel where performance diesels really work is something like a 635d, a vehicle with ample performance and excellent fuel consumption. If they could produce one with a mild hybrid you'd be looking at over 300 BHP and 40 MPG, a perfect blend so to speak.

LathamJohnP

4,414 posts

283 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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Supercar residuals have naff all to do with MPG.

It matters not whether your fuel is £1k or £2k a year, if the out-of-warranty engine goes pop and costs you £40k to replace.

John


Agoogy

Original Poster:

7,274 posts

247 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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LathamJohnP said:
Supercar residuals have naff all to do with MPG.

It matters not whether your fuel is £1k or £2k a year, if the out-of-warranty engine goes pop and costs you £40k to replace.

John
Well I'm just glad we have Latham here on hand to save us from this filth... after his long termer V12 R8 has obviously thrown up some issues we should all be aware of.
As for pointless halo car? hello!.... Veyron, R8 petrols, Phaeton, Bentley Conti all great cars, a world duller without them, all of them a tad pointless in the real world.... but just because Audi have the nerve to use a different fuel, suddenly it gets unnecessary... call yourself car lovers?.
Pompous prigs more like... "petrol only for sports cars!"..."I know of a 7l petrol that blows this out of the weeds..." yawn...

choice people.....choice. Different. New. Better. Worse. Its all BHP and lb/ft, noise, smell and 'go'.

adams_apple

1 posts

200 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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well said agoogy

ferrisbueller

29,262 posts

226 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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adams_apple said:
well said agoogy

worth waiting for.

planetdave

9,921 posts

252 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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WTF!

I had a stalker that wasn't as obsessed as that!

matt3001

1,991 posts

196 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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I want one, I want one now! Seriously though, I may go and drop a deposit on one of these babies!

GTRene

16,372 posts

223 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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bring it on biggrin

here the real thing..shame its not full power en no sound of the engine, they are still working on that I guess to make it sound a bit racy or cool?

http://www.autoweek.nl/videodisp.php?id=840&ca...

GTRene

sniff petrol

13,107 posts

211 months

Tuesday 8th April 2008
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dxb335d said:
I think my re-mapped 335d (340+bhp and 530ib-ft) is fast enough, god knows how fast that beast will be!


Carlos
Then why are you looking at getting a 996TT then wink

matt3001

1,991 posts

196 months

Tuesday 8th April 2008
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dxb335d said:
I think my re-mapped 335d (340+bhp and 530ib-ft) is fast enough, god knows how fast that beast will be!


Carlos
Carlos, how are you finding the 335d? I have a dilemma at the moment, I have an Audi A3 2.0TDI S-Line 170bhp as the everyday car, and am about to get the equivalent Leon for the girlfriend. But I used to have a 320ci M-Sport Cab as my weekend car but recently sold it, now i'm looking at trading in the Audi and getting a 335d cab and using it all the time, or keeping the Audi and getting a Renault Clio 197 F1 for the weekend. Just wondered how you find the 335d as a car, and as an owner, any faults with it?

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Tuesday 8th April 2008
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LathamJohnP said:
This is just another "we did it 'cos we can" VAG halo project, and I for one couldn't give a stuff.
yes

It's intended to sell boggo diesel saloons.

Polarbert

17,923 posts

230 months

Tuesday 8th April 2008
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LathamJohnP said:
This is just another "we did it 'cos we can" VAG halo project, and I for one couldn't give a stuff.

MPG and CO2 concerns are for little people with little cars, tax bands and social consciences.

Supercars are the stuff of dreams. I do not dream of diesels.

If I wanted something faster than an R8 V8 (petrol), I'd get a R8 V10 TT (petrol). If they're prepared to reengineer the car like this, they should put in a R8 V12 TT (petrol). More capacity, more cylinders, more turbochargers. That's supercar progress.

I don't care how much torque it has. There's a chap on the HSV forum having his Monaro fitted with a 7 litre TT engine (petrol), it'll have more power AND torque than this derv Audi, and the engine package will be smaller and lighter. And that's a couple of blokes working in sheds. We know VAG can do this stuff properly, just look at the Veyron. Is that it now?

John
My thoughts exactly matey.

quattrophenia

1,103 posts

197 months

Tuesday 8th April 2008
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Arn't prestigious events like the Le Mans 24 hour used to set the benchmark for current day technology?. If a 10 litre V14 audi had won everyone would jump up and say wow get this into production as this is the most advanced car currently available. Well this time it was a 6 litre diesel that has won it, twice.
I think that is more of an advancment than just throwing in a bigger petrol unit. Otherwise why do we have such events?. We might as well just put all cars on a rolling road and the one with the highest BHP wins. I do hope the diesel R8 sounds like a supercar though!

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Tuesday 8th April 2008
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for the love of god, why bother?

35Mpg is hardly earth shatteringly good, and look at all the downsides...

what's the point in it appart from willy waving it's a diesel? (and please don't go on about the R10 LMP car winning le-mans)