RE: More Pics Of Fake Builder's Van
Discussion
The person I spoke to was the project manager for the Derbyshire partnership.
Her comment regarding "no impact whatsoever" was very much in the context of motorcyclists, and that the marked vans were not having an impact on the KSIs, as far as they were concerned- hence the unmarked van.
The plan is to use the van in conjunction with marked officers further down the road to pull people over at the time.
Her comment regarding "no impact whatsoever" was very much in the context of motorcyclists, and that the marked vans were not having an impact on the KSIs, as far as they were concerned- hence the unmarked van.
The plan is to use the van in conjunction with marked officers further down the road to pull people over at the time.
I can just seem the cops now . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . .
"Right lads, the old builders van is not working anymore! Any suggestions?"
"Yeah sarge, we could do it up to look like an ice cream van, or a fire engine or an ambulance a train or you could buy us all a new evo, we can chase the money . . . err ...... I mean motorists, bump their car a bit, scare them & force them to speed to get away from us, and when they do, we can book them!!"
"Bloody good idea" replies the sage - "I'll get those evo's ordered up!!"
"Right lads, the old builders van is not working anymore! Any suggestions?"
"Yeah sarge, we could do it up to look like an ice cream van, or a fire engine or an ambulance a train or you could buy us all a new evo, we can chase the money . . . err ...... I mean motorists, bump their car a bit, scare them & force them to speed to get away from us, and when they do, we can book them!!"
"Bloody good idea" replies the sage - "I'll get those evo's ordered up!!"
10 Pence Short said:
Already spoken to the partnership last week.
The van IS being used for speed detection, as the marked vans were having "no impact whatsoever".
They are planning to introduce more unmarked vans in Derbyshire.
Surely the opposite is true, there were no speeders where the marked vans were hence they must be having a great effect!The van IS being used for speed detection, as the marked vans were having "no impact whatsoever".
They are planning to introduce more unmarked vans in Derbyshire.
From the Derbyshire Speed Camera Partnership FAQ website:
Are the public given warning of where safety cameras are located?
Safety cameras are operated simply to slow motorists down and reduce the risk of a casualty, not to prosecute people.
Why are safety cameras painted yellow?
In Derbyshire, every fixed safety camera is painted bright yellow to make them as visible as possible to motorists. It is hoped that by making our safety cameras as visible as possible motorists will slow down voluntarily and reduce the risk of a casualty. It is not in anybody's interest to prosecute a motorist for speeding.
Are safety cameras clearly visible?
All fixed camera housings are painted bright yellow and are clearly visible to road users and not hidden behind bridges, signs, trees or bushes. The minimum visibility distance should be 60 metres where the speed limit is 40mph or less and 100 metres for all other limits. Mobile safety camera vehicles are highly visible and are recognisable by the Safety Camera Team livery and reflective strips. However, there will be special occasions when there will be a need to operate with unmarked vehicles (Please see news release 02/05/07 - Unmarked vehicles – special operations – motorcycle casualty reduction)
So what defines a 'special occasion'?
If the special operation is to reduce motorcycle casualties, are us motorists are safe from prosecution?
Are the public given warning of where safety cameras are located?
Safety cameras are operated simply to slow motorists down and reduce the risk of a casualty, not to prosecute people.
Why are safety cameras painted yellow?
In Derbyshire, every fixed safety camera is painted bright yellow to make them as visible as possible to motorists. It is hoped that by making our safety cameras as visible as possible motorists will slow down voluntarily and reduce the risk of a casualty. It is not in anybody's interest to prosecute a motorist for speeding.
Are safety cameras clearly visible?
All fixed camera housings are painted bright yellow and are clearly visible to road users and not hidden behind bridges, signs, trees or bushes. The minimum visibility distance should be 60 metres where the speed limit is 40mph or less and 100 metres for all other limits. Mobile safety camera vehicles are highly visible and are recognisable by the Safety Camera Team livery and reflective strips. However, there will be special occasions when there will be a need to operate with unmarked vehicles (Please see news release 02/05/07 - Unmarked vehicles – special operations – motorcycle casualty reduction)
So what defines a 'special occasion'?
If the special operation is to reduce motorcycle casualties, are us motorists are safe from prosecution?
mcdjl said:
10 Pence Short said:
Already spoken to the partnership last week.
The van IS being used for speed detection, as the marked vans were having "no impact whatsoever".
They are planning to introduce more unmarked vans in Derbyshire.
Surely the opposite is true, there were no speeders where the marked vans were hence they must be having a great effect!The van IS being used for speed detection, as the marked vans were having "no impact whatsoever".
They are planning to introduce more unmarked vans in Derbyshire.
freddo said:
Is there any legal reason why you would not be allowed to stick some temporary signs up on bushes etc near any camera van?
I can imagine that if caught, the rozz would try anything & everything they could to make an example of such a 'do gooder'...
That has happened before, and I'm sure someone has been 'done' for it.I can imagine that if caught, the rozz would try anything & everything they could to make an example of such a 'do gooder'...
[quote]'In one case in America an officer actually dressed up as a tramp while operating a speed trap. How long before that happens here?’
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That would make them fair game to get a beating or pissed on then? Because thats what goes on with the majority of homeless on the streets. Its not a crime for which the police would normally investigate.
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That would make them fair game to get a beating or pissed on then? Because thats what goes on with the majority of homeless on the streets. Its not a crime for which the police would normally investigate.
How exactly does taking you by surprise make it a safer place to drive?
The visual effect of a camera at the side of the road or in a liveried van IS one of safety, you see it, you slow down, an accident happens at a lesser speed if at all. You know that the area is hazardous, because that is why the camera is there in the first place, particularly if you don't know the area at all...except it isn't, the camera is in the place where it will catch the most people, not prevent the most people.
Are we saying that if you pass the builders van, have an accident at 5 mph (or whatever) just after the van and kill someone that somehow getting a ticket a couple of days later is going to make you go "oh, yeah I see now, silly me"
Don't be silly. The visual deterrent IS the key to reduction in the speed and therefore the accident (remember, speed kills, nothing else), not the getting a ticket a week later.
Its a point a lot miss, hiding the camera or police is no deterrent to any sort of crime at all. Only the detection of the crime AFTER it has occurred is easier/automatic.
I am not sure when the police decided that the mantra should be changed from crime prevention. Are we to let known pedos molest as many children as possible so that we can give them the most time behind bars OR prevent them from doing it once they are discovered? Extreme example I know.
Edit:
Apologies to cheesesliceking, wrongly quoted your post
The visual effect of a camera at the side of the road or in a liveried van IS one of safety, you see it, you slow down, an accident happens at a lesser speed if at all. You know that the area is hazardous, because that is why the camera is there in the first place, particularly if you don't know the area at all...except it isn't, the camera is in the place where it will catch the most people, not prevent the most people.
Are we saying that if you pass the builders van, have an accident at 5 mph (or whatever) just after the van and kill someone that somehow getting a ticket a couple of days later is going to make you go "oh, yeah I see now, silly me"
Don't be silly. The visual deterrent IS the key to reduction in the speed and therefore the accident (remember, speed kills, nothing else), not the getting a ticket a week later.
Its a point a lot miss, hiding the camera or police is no deterrent to any sort of crime at all. Only the detection of the crime AFTER it has occurred is easier/automatic.
I am not sure when the police decided that the mantra should be changed from crime prevention. Are we to let known pedos molest as many children as possible so that we can give them the most time behind bars OR prevent them from doing it once they are discovered? Extreme example I know.
Edit:
Apologies to cheesesliceking, wrongly quoted your post
Edited by Chris_R on Wednesday 7th May 12:40
No wonder people have no respect for the police when they obey the law (ie ont speed in this case) and then the boys in blue without a clue disguise themselves to catch them.
A marked car/van/scamera DOES make people slow down and isnt that what enforcing the law is all about?
Yes I know it isnt, its all about cash and, lets not forget, power.
To the poster who said we'd all understand when we'd been invlved in an accident that involved someone speeding (which i have). Think again, if there was a marked van/camera/car then its more likely they wouldnt be speeding isnt it as opposed to blindly carrying on passing what they think is a builders van. (or do you work for the police/government?)
There are ways and means of policing laws thet keep the public onside, ALL police fail miserably to do this. Motorists are an easy way to tick the boxes, in my dealings with police over the years this is only too obvious.
A marked car/van/scamera DOES make people slow down and isnt that what enforcing the law is all about?
Yes I know it isnt, its all about cash and, lets not forget, power.
To the poster who said we'd all understand when we'd been invlved in an accident that involved someone speeding (which i have). Think again, if there was a marked van/camera/car then its more likely they wouldnt be speeding isnt it as opposed to blindly carrying on passing what they think is a builders van. (or do you work for the police/government?)
There are ways and means of policing laws thet keep the public onside, ALL police fail miserably to do this. Motorists are an easy way to tick the boxes, in my dealings with police over the years this is only too obvious.
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