RE: 321bhp VXR Goes Toe-To-Toe With Audi
Discussion
dorme said:
astra vxr is NOT quicker than the audi s3.
the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
Not to mention that the audi will do it on any given day. the poxhall will struggle to get the 6.2 unless we are talkin totally dry road and shred a few tyres in the process.the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
R32UK said:
Why is it so difficult for you to accept that he audi is probably going to be the better car???
Well I find it hard to accept that statement. I agree the Audi will probably sell more units. So in terms of the business the Audi should generate more money. But that would be true even if the Audi was a bit pants.In terms of a car and what I look for. I'd expect them to be much the same. One a bit better at 'x' and the other a bit better at 'y'. But basically chunks of mainstream car cut to the desired length and fitted with a big engine.
dorme said:
astra vxr is NOT quicker than the audi s3.
the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
Dorme, this is a car enthusiasts website. The least you want to do is start quoting 0-60 times as a refernce to how quick a car is. In gear times are what you should be quoting. I think you'd then be suprised at the VXR's pace.the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
Still you gotta be mad! 30k for a Vauxhall, a GM product, knowing that the car will have depreciation like a stone on a pond.
Just to make it clear, I don't like the Audi, it reminds me too much of an Octavia.
I don't like the BMW just through the image, same too for the Merc C Klasse.
I am not a Badge snob.
But if you had 30k on a table and told to go out and find a way of carting your arse around, the combantions are infinate and to come up with this would be a poor result.
Go to the classifieds and have a mooch.
Just to make it clear, I don't like the Audi, it reminds me too much of an Octavia.
I don't like the BMW just through the image, same too for the Merc C Klasse.
I am not a Badge snob.
But if you had 30k on a table and told to go out and find a way of carting your arse around, the combantions are infinate and to come up with this would be a poor result.
Go to the classifieds and have a mooch.
Munter said:
R32UK said:
Why is it so difficult for you to accept that he audi is probably going to be the better car???
Well I find it hard to accept that statement. I agree the Audi will probably sell more units. So in terms of the business the Audi should generate more money. But that would be true even if the Audi was a bit pants.In terms of a car and what I look for. I'd expect them to be much the same. One a bit better at 'x' and the other a bit better at 'y'. But basically chunks of mainstream car cut to the desired length and fitted with a big engine.
As for the audi seeling more units that the vauxhall even if was pants is still quite possibly, it wouldnt take the usual audi drives long to make the jump to either BMW or Mercedes. The fact is that the audi is a great car.... its simply hated by many because there are too many of them on the road!
vz-r_dave said:
dorme said:
astra vxr is NOT quicker than the audi s3.
the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
Dorme, this is a car enthusiasts website. The least you want to do is start quoting 0-60 times as a refernce to how quick a car is. In gear times are what you should be quoting. I think you'd then be suprised at the VXR's pace.the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
vz-r_dave said:
dorme said:
astra vxr is NOT quicker than the audi s3.
the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
Dorme, this is a car enthusiasts website. The least you want to do is start quoting 0-60 times as a refernce to how quick a car is. In gear times are what you should be quoting. I think you'd then be suprised at the VXR's pace.the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
mitch78 said:
vz-r_dave said:
dorme said:
astra vxr is NOT quicker than the audi s3.
the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
Dorme, this is a car enthusiasts website. The least you want to do is start quoting 0-60 times as a refernce to how quick a car is. In gear times are what you should be quoting. I think you'd then be suprised at the VXR's pace.the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
(Sorry)
mitch78 said:
vz-r_dave said:
dorme said:
astra vxr is NOT quicker than the audi s3.
the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
Dorme, this is a car enthusiasts website. The least you want to do is start quoting 0-60 times as a refernce to how quick a car is. In gear times are what you should be quoting. I think you'd then be suprised at the VXR's pace.the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
BOOM! And the 'arguement' is won...Excellent post
mitch78 said:
vz-r_dave said:
dorme said:
astra vxr is NOT quicker than the audi s3.
the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
Dorme, this is a car enthusiasts website. The least you want to do is start quoting 0-60 times as a refernce to how quick a car is. In gear times are what you should be quoting. I think you'd then be suprised at the VXR's pace.the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
t compared to the new S4I stand corrected.
vz-r_dave said:
Thanks for the information, I am suprised at the pace of the S3 for sure never knew it was that quick. R32UK was right all along, I knew I should have belived him. Infact I am going to agree the new Insignia going by the Astra's performance is going to be st compared to the new S4
I stand corrected.
No problem. Give me a supercharged VXR8 any day!t compared to the new S4I stand corrected.
mitch78 said:
vz-r_dave said:
dorme said:
astra vxr is NOT quicker than the audi s3.
the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
Dorme, this is a car enthusiasts website. The least you want to do is start quoting 0-60 times as a refernce to how quick a car is. In gear times are what you should be quoting. I think you'd then be suprised at the VXR's pace.the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
Ta.
Munter said:
HughN said:
A £30K Vauxhall? Might as well write "I am a really good rep" on the side.
Unless it's the estate. The I would think it'll most likely have POLICE written on it. 
(As someone else suggested above)
Who would honestly invest in one themselves????
Ah, the usual response..
People have to forget the vivas and chevettes their dad owned 30 years ago.
Fair enough the early vectra b was rubbish and a worse car than the cavalier it replaced. But that was 12 years ago, people, get over it.
The Vectra VXR is a decent car, but of course if you follow Clarkson you'll profess how crap it is and how badly it handles - except I'd bet a good half of you have never even sat in one, let alone driven it.
Someone started getting all excited about an S3 being quicker than a Astra, sure I bet it is, but £10k quicker ? methinks not. Got a mate who works in the tuning industry and drives *alot* of cars, everything from corsas to 700hp porsches.. his verdict on the S3 ? boring. And no, he's not a big fan of the Astra either but does at least see that they are a fun car.
Still you guys can all go back to your Audis and £120-150 p.h. labour charges.... and get used to paying them because from everytihng I hear/see Audi are now making budget cars with a hefty price tag.. Their residuals aren't too great either...
People have to forget the vivas and chevettes their dad owned 30 years ago.
Fair enough the early vectra b was rubbish and a worse car than the cavalier it replaced. But that was 12 years ago, people, get over it.
The Vectra VXR is a decent car, but of course if you follow Clarkson you'll profess how crap it is and how badly it handles - except I'd bet a good half of you have never even sat in one, let alone driven it.
Someone started getting all excited about an S3 being quicker than a Astra, sure I bet it is, but £10k quicker ? methinks not. Got a mate who works in the tuning industry and drives *alot* of cars, everything from corsas to 700hp porsches.. his verdict on the S3 ? boring. And no, he's not a big fan of the Astra either but does at least see that they are a fun car.
Still you guys can all go back to your Audis and £120-150 p.h. labour charges.... and get used to paying them because from everytihng I hear/see Audi are now making budget cars with a hefty price tag.. Their residuals aren't too great either...
Dagnut said:
Interesting enough car for me anyway, but someone mentioned it will be RWD biased is this true? why would the article be mentioning torque steer if its RWD biased?
I mentioned RWD bias after reading in to the system on the Insignia SRI (which is supposed to be a slightly sporty model).- In standard mode it's split 95/5 front/rear, apparently to reduce wear and fuel consumption (sounds like poo to me though!).
- In "sport" mode, it changes to 40/60 front/rear, which IIRC is similar to what the Quattro system on the new A4s does.
Hopefully, the SRIs "sport" setup will be similar to what the VXR gets as a "standard" setup.
Regarding the "S4 v VXR" debate...we can't judge by previous offerings. Evo Magazine have said that the new S4 is miles better than the old one, which was apparently underwhelming.
They liked the Vectra VXR - "Vauxhall scares BMW" was the title for the article. This doesn't mean that they will like or dislike the Insignia though - it's a completely different car and judging it based on the Vectra may cause similar problems as judging, for example, the new Impreza based on how good the old one was deemed to be.
As I said earlier: I have driven the new Insignia and it's not got any obvious flaws in any area - in fact, it seems to be a good base from which to build an AWD performance model.
The arguments about build quality etc. are TBH a load of old tosh. Audi build cars to feel tactile (which they do - the new A4 has a beautifully finished interior), but last time I actually look at the faults per "X" amount of units figures, I was not very impressed. VAG as a whole was actually a few places below some brands which most people in the UK consider to be inferior IIRC.
Regrettably, as others have already said, the only thing which is almost guaranteed is that badge snobs will still be badge snobs, dismiss the VXR as inferior without even driving it and will probably pay that £30k for an A4 / 3-Series that's not as quick.
As a result, I too predict pretty awful residuals...but again, as some have mentioned, a large discount on the RRP will probably be offered and will combat at least some of this. A used one will make a lot of sense, and as ever - those who will keep it for longer than 5 years don't have as much to worry about.
Which handily brings me to the other "debate" in this thread - "S3 v Astra VXR". Despite both being hot hatches, they're both actually pretty hard to compare. - The VX can be had for a substantial discount from new. The same isn't true of the Audi (let's not bring brokers etc. into this though!
- they'll no doubt discount both). When the question becomes: "What's better: A £17k VXR or a £27k S3?", the water gets a lot more muddy.If you're ignoring the price, you've still got both cars' different characters to contend with. The S3 is supposed to be clinical, restrained but pack a killer punch. The VXR is supposed to wear it's heart on it's sleeve...which it certainly does. It's another case of personal preference - some prefer the drama and thrill of the VXR, some prefer the outright performance and "cool" of the S3.
The only way I can compare them is this: "If I had "X" amount of money to purchase one, which would I choose?"
If that number is £15k, I'll be looking at a used VXR. If that number is £25k, an S3. If it's £20k, I've honestly got a lot of thinking to do (about whether I want a new VXR with all the goodies, or an older S3 which probably isn't exactly how I want it)!
One thing though...the Astra VXRs residuals...actually, they were pretty damn good last time I checked the prices on AutoTrader!
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