RE: 321bhp VXR Goes Toe-To-Toe With Audi
Discussion
R32UK said:
CorsaScott said:
Clivey said:
Dagnut said:
Interesting enough car for me anyway, but someone mentioned it will be RWD biased is this true? why would the article be mentioning torque steer if its RWD biased?
The only way I can compare them is this: "If I had "X" amount of money to purchase one, which would I choose?"If that number is £15k, I'll be looking at a used VXR. If that number is £25k, an S3. If it's £20k, I've honestly got a lot of thinking to do (about whether I want a new VXR with all the goodies, or an older S3 which probably isn't exactly how I want it)!
One thing though...the Astra VXRs residuals...actually, they were pretty damn good last time I checked the prices on AutoTrader!
Come to think of it a S3 sportback with remap would get my vote. Some call it boring some call it clinical... but add an extra 100 ponies and thats the last thing it is!
Edited by CorsaScott on Friday 17th April 00:23
vz-r_dave said:
Thats another thing to take note on as regards to the VXR Insignia and the S4.
It's a lot easier to withdraw more power from a turbo then it is a supercharger.
True but by modding your then spending even more on a 30k vauxhall... not to mention your then heading into used RS4 territory, which is a losing battle which ever way you look at it It's a lot easier to withdraw more power from a turbo then it is a supercharger.
R32UK said:
vz-r_dave said:
Thats another thing to take note on as regards to the VXR Insignia and the S4.
It's a lot easier to withdraw more power from a turbo then it is a supercharger.
True but by modding your then spending even more on a 30k vauxhall... not to mention your then heading into used RS4 territory, which is a losing battle which ever way you look at it It's a lot easier to withdraw more power from a turbo then it is a supercharger.
Yes i'd still have the RS4 and lets face it in a years time I think they will be around the 30K mark anyway. More expensive to maintain and own thats the problem.
When the press photos for the Insignia came out it looked like a real improvement over the Vectra (reminded me of an Infiniti) but the handful I've seen on the road all look really poor. Quite like the interior but it just doesn't work in standard trim.
Perhaps with bigger wheels, lower suspension and a few plastic bits glued on it'll look better, but even if it does look well I'd be surprised if there's much of a market at the moment for it.
They'd probably do better if the VXR was simply a trim option and it could be bought with a standard 2.2 diesel engine in.
Still for the money I'd rather have a Monaro or import a Ford Falcon.
Perhaps with bigger wheels, lower suspension and a few plastic bits glued on it'll look better, but even if it does look well I'd be surprised if there's much of a market at the moment for it.
They'd probably do better if the VXR was simply a trim option and it could be bought with a standard 2.2 diesel engine in.
Still for the money I'd rather have a Monaro or import a Ford Falcon.
Edited by qube_TA on Friday 17th April 21:27
qube_TA said:
When the press photos for the Insignia came out it looked like a real improvement over the Vectra (reminded me of a Infiniti) but the handful I've seen on the road all look really poor. Quite like the interior but it just doesn't work in standard trim.
Perhaps with bigger wheels, lower suspension and a few plastic bits glued on it'll look better, but even if it does look well I'd be surprised if there's much of a market at the moment for it.
They'd probably do better if the VXR was simply a trim option and it could be bought with a standard 2.2 diesel engine in.
Still for the money I'd rather have a Monaro or import a Ford Falcon.
Your probably right there. Expect to see quite a few kits out for the insignia anyway... Its the std model that needs a bit of a spruse up as it stands!Perhaps with bigger wheels, lower suspension and a few plastic bits glued on it'll look better, but even if it does look well I'd be surprised if there's much of a market at the moment for it.
They'd probably do better if the VXR was simply a trim option and it could be bought with a standard 2.2 diesel engine in.
Still for the money I'd rather have a Monaro or import a Ford Falcon.
qube_TA said:
When the press photos for the Insignia came out it looked like a real improvement over the Vectra (reminded me of a Infiniti) but the handful I've seen on the road all look really poor. Quite like the interior but it just doesn't work in standard trim.
Perhaps with bigger wheels, lower suspension and a few plastic bits glued on it'll look better, but even if it does look well I'd be surprised if there's much of a market at the moment for it.
They'd probably do better if the VXR was simply a trim option and it could be bought with a standard 2.2 diesel engine in.
Still for the money I'd rather have a Monaro or import a Ford Falcon.
Living in Frankfurt I see plenty of them around but they are all higher spec models. They do look good with the larger wheels and trim options. Perhaps with bigger wheels, lower suspension and a few plastic bits glued on it'll look better, but even if it does look well I'd be surprised if there's much of a market at the moment for it.
They'd probably do better if the VXR was simply a trim option and it could be bought with a standard 2.2 diesel engine in.
Still for the money I'd rather have a Monaro or import a Ford Falcon.
Not a lot of cars look good in standard spec, its not just the Insignia.
Insignia looks much better as an Estate IMHO.
Somebody mentioned reliability index etc. in an earlier post. I really wish the badge snobs would look up the figures and understand the facts. A friend of mine btw owns a Mercedes C220 diesel that he describes as the biggest heap of s
te he has ever owned and will never touch another Merc, he wants a Honda accord next.
Somebody mentioned reliability index etc. in an earlier post. I really wish the badge snobs would look up the figures and understand the facts. A friend of mine btw owns a Mercedes C220 diesel that he describes as the biggest heap of s
te he has ever owned and will never touch another Merc, he wants a Honda accord next. vz-r_dave said:
R32UK said:
vz-r_dave said:
Thats another thing to take note on as regards to the VXR Insignia and the S4.
It's a lot easier to withdraw more power from a turbo then it is a supercharger.
True but by modding your then spending even more on a 30k vauxhall... not to mention your then heading into used RS4 territory, which is a losing battle which ever way you look at it It's a lot easier to withdraw more power from a turbo then it is a supercharger.
Yes i'd still have the RS4 and lets face it in a years time I think they will be around the 30K mark anyway. More expensive to maintain and own thats the problem.
So, in Police Spec, they'll be 15p, and there will be zillions of white ones on the s/h market at 3yrs old for 10p.
What I read on here is lots of badge snobbery, nothing but.
I think the Audi A6 is fekkin' ugly, especially in salon form. In estate, err sorry "Wagon" (roll hoop top, with canvas covering?) form they look much better, and I'm sure the estate version of the Insignia will look good.
I've had a poke and prod around the Insignia for work, and I must say that I'm impressed by the step-up from the old Victor, err I mean Vectra.
Take it for what it is, a product of GM Europe. Not Audi, not BMW, and not a car based on everyone elses designs trying to edge into the BMW/Mercedes market (Lexus).
Ford haven't produced a "run of the mill" hot car for years, their whizzy models are usually based around the Escort or Focus. It's been a lot of years since the Sierra Cosworth, or the Scorpio Cosworth bit the dust in production.
A well done to GM for producing something with vigour under it's hood, rather than "ooo dare we sell something that the tree huggers might not like?"
Would I buy one though? No. I'm buying a hybrid next.
A Chevy Tahoe!!
What I read on here is lots of badge snobbery, nothing but.
I think the Audi A6 is fekkin' ugly, especially in salon form. In estate, err sorry "Wagon" (roll hoop top, with canvas covering?) form they look much better, and I'm sure the estate version of the Insignia will look good.
I've had a poke and prod around the Insignia for work, and I must say that I'm impressed by the step-up from the old Victor, err I mean Vectra.
Take it for what it is, a product of GM Europe. Not Audi, not BMW, and not a car based on everyone elses designs trying to edge into the BMW/Mercedes market (Lexus).
Ford haven't produced a "run of the mill" hot car for years, their whizzy models are usually based around the Escort or Focus. It's been a lot of years since the Sierra Cosworth, or the Scorpio Cosworth bit the dust in production.
A well done to GM for producing something with vigour under it's hood, rather than "ooo dare we sell something that the tree huggers might not like?"
Would I buy one though? No. I'm buying a hybrid next.
A Chevy Tahoe!!
Matt_ said:
People that are looking at Audi S4's, BMW 335's etc. etc. aren't going to be interested in that no matter how good it is or isn't
Exactly what I was thinking! also that interior is horrid and the materials will be no match for the German rivals. Ive always said I would rather spend the money that could get me a new Vauxhall on a second had German car.DanBMW said:
Matt_ said:
People that are looking at Audi S4's, BMW 335's etc. etc. aren't going to be interested in that no matter how good it is or isn't
Exactly what I was thinking! also that interior is horrid and the materials will be no match for the German rivals. Ive always said I would rather spend the money that could get me a new Vauxhall on a second had German car.
here we go again:
Or buy TWO second hand VX's for the money of one German car.
That said, I don't like the look of the Insignia sedan, but I do like it in estate form, much nicer detailed rear than any Merc/Audi/BMW at the moment imo. Also, like all modern cars, it's very sensitive on spec/wheels.
mackie1 said:
The interior seemed very nice in the examples I sat in at the Motorshow.
Those at the motorshow were terrible! They had scuffs everywhere and even some bits of trim hanging off. The materials and design are very similar to a slightly upscaled Astra interior. There's nothing wrong with that, I liked my Astra when I had it, but moving to the interior of the Audi was a huge step forward.mitch78 said:
mackie1 said:
The interior seemed very nice in the examples I sat in at the Motorshow.
Those at the motorshow were terrible! They had scuffs everywhere and even some bits of trim hanging off. The materials and design are very similar to a slightly upscaled Astra interior. There's nothing wrong with that, I liked my Astra when I had it, but moving to the interior of the Audi was a huge step forward.ZesPak said:
DanBMW said:
Matt_ said:
People that are looking at Audi S4's, BMW 335's etc. etc. aren't going to be interested in that no matter how good it is or isn't
Exactly what I was thinking! also that interior is horrid and the materials will be no match for the German rivals. Ive always said I would rather spend the money that could get me a new Vauxhall on a second had German car.here we go again:
Or buy TWO second hand VX's for the money of one German car.
That said, I don't like the look of the Insignia sedan, but I do like it in estate form, much nicer detailed rear than any Merc/Audi/BMW at the moment imo. Also, like all modern cars, it's very sensitive on spec/wheels.
It is often the case at the moment. Pure arrogance as far as I am concerened. In most cases they have no reason to be arrogant either. Especailly when the car they are slating has the pottential to be more of a drivers car then there own and would probably/hopefully destory there car in track in most situations.
Each to their own tho I suppose. I am a petrol head, buy a car for its fun factor, not for a penis extension or to look good because of a badge.
DanBMW said:
Matt_ said:
People that are looking at Audi S4's, BMW 335's etc. etc. aren't going to be interested in that no matter how good it is or isn't
Exactly what I was thinking! also that interior is horrid and the materials will be no match for the German rivals. Ive always said I would rather spend the money that could get me a new Vauxhall on a second had German car.mackie1 said:
The interior seemed very nice in the examples I sat in at the Motorshow.
It's not because you sat in it the interior is as good as you say it is!According to DanBMW the "interior materials" will be no match for the ones found in "German cars" (like VW, Skoda and the likes)
A lot of people think that an Audi or BMW is good simply because it is an Audi or BMW. I'm not saying these are bad cars, I like a lot of the current range but at least Vauxhall are trying something different. 321bhp is a lot of power and although the 0-60 isn't the best, I'm sure it will have a lot of useable power throughout the rev range. People who are saying "oh I could get a second hand RS4 for less" wow, second hand cars are cheaper than new cars, I would never have guessed that
I also notice that the majority of people stating it will be st (even though no body has driven it yet) drive German cars, so straight away they are going to be biased. If could be crap, it could be great, why not wait and see before dismissing it
I also notice that the majority of people stating it will be s
t (even though no body has driven it yet) drive German cars, so straight away they are going to be biased. If could be crap, it could be great, why not wait and see before dismissing itGassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff