RE: Clio Renaultsport 200
Discussion
CarlT said:
jaymodunn said:
200 ps. So actually 197 bhp? Surelly 3 bhp isn't hard to find..
We don't do metric here..
Is it not 200hp? We don't do metric here..
Can't decide if it interests me or not, I've test driven a 197 and loved it, be interested to know if the low end torque makes a real difference? To be honest, I never found it lacking down the rev range and I was more than happy to thrash it...
Agoogy said:
Interior may well be built to new and higher standards, but it looks s
t.
Mini can do it
Alfa can do it
christ even Fiat can do it
The premium you pay for a mini or an Alfa that could keep up with the new Clio Cup on the track is huge! So sure they provide a neater, higher quality interior, but you have to pay for it! As for Fiat, you would have to go down the Abarth route to get anywhere near the performance of the Clio, and again, this would cost you extra.t.Mini can do it
Alfa can do it
christ even Fiat can do it
That's Why I love fast Renaults so much, they save money on unnecessary luxury and spend it on developing a fantastic chassis instead. Hats off to Renault again for once more charging LESS money for the more focused performance vehicle.
Edited by fivehitsweak on Thursday 14th May 10:49
CarlT said:
stuart-b said:
Horrid.
Interior looks nasty, colour is aweful, front is woeful.
Poor to be honest.
Why are all these new models of cars like big blobs????????
It is available in different colours you know Interior looks nasty, colour is aweful, front is woeful.
Poor to be honest.
Why are all these new models of cars like big blobs????????
Of course it comes in more colours... If they are going to use a press demo car, at least use a colour people might buy!
That thing looks like a cheap korean import, horrible colour plastics (circa 1980's Ford), the steering wheel looks like it's out of an MPV, and that gear stick comes from a Peugeot Blipper mini-van.
What's going on with the French these days?
Just bought a new Peugeot Partner Van (2009 shape) and it looks better than all of their cars in the show room.
What happened to the R5GTT/205/206/406 coupe/Clio Sport etc etc styling?! They are all blobs now.
Edited by stuart-b on Thursday 14th May 11:12
I have a MKIII clio the interior is easy to live with and so far no rattles over my areas frankly dangerous potholed roads on 8k miles. the interior is eon`s ahead of the 182 in terms of fit and finish.. having said that.. the 182 was not very good inside build wise.
think its great, you have to accept it for what it is.. cheap styling, interior bits.. more cost put into the important stuff.. if you prefer a vxr, pug 207, mini cooper with a blingy exterior and interior thats fine but dont expect them to perform consistenly on the track lap after lap.
check out the drivers republic video review of the same day inside the car doing a few laps
think its great, you have to accept it for what it is.. cheap styling, interior bits.. more cost put into the important stuff.. if you prefer a vxr, pug 207, mini cooper with a blingy exterior and interior thats fine but dont expect them to perform consistenly on the track lap after lap.
check out the drivers republic video review of the same day inside the car doing a few laps
Agoogy said:
Interior may well be built to new and higher standards, but it looks st.
Mini can do it
Alfa can do it
christ even Fiat can do it
Watch this:t.Mini can do it
Alfa can do it
christ even Fiat can do it
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_tv/index.cfm?vi...
On track drive video by Jethro Bovingdon (ex Deputy Editor of EVO). Puts the Renaultsport way of doing things into perspective with other manufacturers. i.e. Renaultsport focus on what people really buy these cars for - performance. The others may, in your opinion, have a better dashboard but does that really matter? Not to me.
dom180 said:
Be nice if Alfa Romeo and Renault would merge - Alfa styling with Renault chassis/engineering.
I am not sure if their combined obsession for reliability would produce a car that would go as far as the exit of the dealership car park though. Edited by dom180 on Wednesday 13th May 20:50
i love ppls hand up with the not all great interior.
as said /\ renault put a lot of time and effort into the bits that matter and this produces a fantastic handling and performing car - i would certainly have one over a Mini, alfa or fiat and it would be cheaper!!
I will be taking a look at these towards the end of the summer when im thinking about new cars
as said /\ renault put a lot of time and effort into the bits that matter and this produces a fantastic handling and performing car - i would certainly have one over a Mini, alfa or fiat and it would be cheaper!!
I will be taking a look at these towards the end of the summer when im thinking about new cars
nickfrog said:
dom180 said:
Be nice if Alfa Romeo and Renault would merge - Alfa styling with Renault chassis/engineering.
I am not sure if their combined obsession for reliability would produce a car that would go as far as the exit of the dealership car park though. Edited by dom180 on Wednesday 13th May 20:50
A black one to hide the dodgy nose would be fine. Otherwise it looks good. I think criticising the interior is a bit off - remember it's fundamentally a budget supermini, compared to the Alfa Mito and Mini which are 'premium' products. Admittedly the Punto interior looks nice, but hey, I know which of the four I'd rather go for a blatt in.
So another great little car from Renault Sport. Sure they look dodgy at times but you have to say that right now Renault are the only big mainstream manufacturer doing anything interesting with fairly affordable cars. The biggest problem I have with Renault is that whenever you see a 2 year old one, it always looks a bit fecked.
So another great little car from Renault Sport. Sure they look dodgy at times but you have to say that right now Renault are the only big mainstream manufacturer doing anything interesting with fairly affordable cars. The biggest problem I have with Renault is that whenever you see a 2 year old one, it always looks a bit fecked.
mattbvw said:
Agoogy said:
Interior may well be built to new and higher standards, but it looks st.
Mini can do it
Alfa can do it
christ even Fiat can do it
Watch this:t.Mini can do it
Alfa can do it
christ even Fiat can do it
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_tv/index.cfm?vi...
On track drive video by Jethro Bovingdon (ex Deputy Editor of EVO). Puts the Renaultsport way of doing things into perspective with other manufacturers. i.e. Renaultsport focus on what people really buy these cars for - performance. The others may, in your opinion, have a better dashboard but does that really matter? Not to me.
Fiat 500 is a lot cheaper but has a better, more interesting dash
designing, building and installing a good driver interface has nothing repeat nothing to do with driving dynamics, I'm not suggesting there is a better hatch out there for getting round a track...I'm not suggesting they haven't invested big time in chassis dynamics and suspension tweakery...
But the company AS A WHOLE buys in crappy materials and does not in any way think about what the dash looks like...(Previous Laguna looked good so they can do it) Previous Megane, Clio...just plain nasty...and plain... its totally unncessary: body coloured panels, aluminium (either fake or real), carbon fibre (fake or real), leather, innovative plastic finishes like the carbony stuff in the Mito, piano black bits...endless finishes, and shapes can be employed at not massive cost..they could be options FFS.. but no...you get mundane, sleepy boring thoughtless blandness...
If you're not enjoying this car doing what it does best...ie either motorway or traffic jam...you are left to admire......nothing.
mattbvw said:
Agoogy said:
Interior may well be built to new and higher standards, but it looks st.
Mini can do it
Alfa can do it
christ even Fiat can do it
Watch this:t.Mini can do it
Alfa can do it
christ even Fiat can do it
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_tv/index.cfm?vi...
On track drive video by Jethro Bovingdon (ex Deputy Editor of EVO). Puts the Renaultsport way of doing things into perspective with other manufacturers. i.e. Renaultsport focus on what people really buy these cars for - performance. The others may, in your opinion, have a better dashboard but does that really matter? Not to me.
Far too many uneducated people jumping on the "It's French"/"It's got a crap interior"/"It's FWD" bandwagon! Educate yourselves people!
Also, LOL @ a Renault being criticised by a Vauxhall driver!
fivesixseven8 said:
Well said. If you want a pretty interior then go elsewhere. If you want one of THE best handling hatches for that price point then you want a RenaultSport. If you want fancy trim then go for a Mini and don't complain about the handling.
Far too many uneducated people jumping on the "It's French"/"It's got a crap interior"/"It's FWD" bandwagon! Educate yourselves people!
Also, LOL @ a Renault being criticised by a Vauxhall driver!
congratulations 5678 on not beibg able to make an argument without getting personal... little sensitive are we? Far too many uneducated people jumping on the "It's French"/"It's got a crap interior"/"It's FWD" bandwagon! Educate yourselves people!
Also, LOL @ a Renault being criticised by a Vauxhall driver!
For anyone else who has issues understanding my point...I'll say just once more I understand that Renault make the most focused hot hatches around right now...
I don't care if they're FWD, I don't care that they're french...
I care that they have employed no thought whatsoever to what the driver sees and uses directly in front of him... it IS cheap, it IS thoughtless, especially when lesser cars can do it SO much better.
The Mini Cooper is not THAT far behind and leagues ahead with it interior...
So please no more about how blissfully sublime the driving characteristics are..we all know and bow down to Renault for that...awesome well played...
now go away and put a Renalt 5 GT turbo dash in it...at least that was interesting to look at.
Edited by Agoogy on Thursday 14th May 13:53
Agoogy said:
congratulations 5678 on not beibg able to make an argument without getting personal... little sensitive are we?
For anyone else who has issues understanding my point...I'll say just once more I understand that Renault make the most focused hot hatches around right now...
I don't care if they're FWD, I don't care that they're french...
I care that they have employed no thought whatsoever to what the driver sees and uses directly in front of him... it IS cheap, it IS thoughtless, especially when lesser cars can do it SO much better.
The Mini Cooper is not THAT far behind and leagues ahead with it interior...
So please no more about how blissfully sublime the driving characteristics are..we all know and bow down to Renault for that...awesome well played...
now go away and put a Renalt 5 GT turbo dash in it...at least that was interesting to look at.
You sited the Fiat 500 as having a nicer interior at a cheaper price, but to be quite honest the standard 500 and the Clio Cup aren't comparable. Yes the Fiat 500 and the Fiat 500 Abarth are both cheaper than the Clio 200, but neither offer the dynamics or the power that the Clio offers, sure you could get the SS kit on the 500 Abarth but by the time you tick that box you will be looking at a bill for nearly £18,000. So yes I understand your point that lesser cars can have nicer interiors at a cheaper price, but there is a key word in that past of your statement.... "lesser". The fiat 500 and Standard Mini are family cars, they are slow and dynamically woeful, they cater to an entirely different market to the Clio 200 Cup that we are discussing here. Sure you can go get a mini Cooper S, which is a fine car, with a nicer interior but again, it costs almost 2 grand MORE than the Clio Cup. you say "please no more about how blissfully sublime the driving characteristics are"For anyone else who has issues understanding my point...I'll say just once more I understand that Renault make the most focused hot hatches around right now...
I don't care if they're FWD, I don't care that they're french...
I care that they have employed no thought whatsoever to what the driver sees and uses directly in front of him... it IS cheap, it IS thoughtless, especially when lesser cars can do it SO much better.
The Mini Cooper is not THAT far behind and leagues ahead with it interior...
So please no more about how blissfully sublime the driving characteristics are..we all know and bow down to Renault for that...awesome well played...
now go away and put a Renalt 5 GT turbo dash in it...at least that was interesting to look at.
Edited by Agoogy on Thursday 14th May 13:53
but that is what this car is all about!!!! it is NOT about being dazzled by shiny plastics/carbon fiber and aluminum. And as far as the sweeping generalisation that Renault lacks imagination, I'm sorry but I am sure that they have used every ounce of it to be able to give us all such a grand car for such a small price.
Besides, how do you expect to get the best out a the car if one of your hands is perpetually stroking the shiny carbon/titanium/science project plastic dashboard!
Thats not an answer I accept....You can't simply say most of the money went into chasis dynamics and handling and as result we couldn't afford imagination...that costs nothing, they've used none and it shows.
Nearly allk the competition have used imagination to good effect...the fact they don't have the same standard of chassis engineers is a different conversation to what I'm on about...
Nearly allk the competition have used imagination to good effect...the fact they don't have the same standard of chassis engineers is a different conversation to what I'm on about...
Agoogy said:
fivesixseven8 said:
Well said. If you want a pretty interior then go elsewhere. If you want one of THE best handling hatches for that price point then you want a RenaultSport. If you want fancy trim then go for a Mini and don't complain about the handling.
Far too many uneducated people jumping on the "It's French"/"It's got a crap interior"/"It's FWD" bandwagon! Educate yourselves people!
Also, LOL @ a Renault being criticised by a Vauxhall driver!
congratulations 5678 on not beibg able to make an argument without getting personal... little sensitive are we? Far too many uneducated people jumping on the "It's French"/"It's got a crap interior"/"It's FWD" bandwagon! Educate yourselves people!
Also, LOL @ a Renault being criticised by a Vauxhall driver!
For anyone else who has issues understanding my point...I'll say just once more I understand that Renault make the most focused hot hatches around right now...
I don't care if they're FWD, I don't care that they're french...
I care that they have employed no thought whatsoever to what the driver sees and uses directly in front of him... it IS cheap, it IS thoughtless, especially when lesser cars can do it SO much better.
The Mini Cooper is not THAT far behind and leagues ahead with it interior...
So please no more about how blissfully sublime the driving characteristics are..we all know and bow down to Renault for that...awesome well played...
now go away and put a Renalt 5 GT turbo dash in it...at least that was interesting to look at.
Edited by Agoogy on Thursday 14th May 13:53
I also have a Mini CS and, trust me, the handling difference between that and the 197's that I have driven is vast. IMO, the Mini does not bring confidence in it's abilities like the 197 does. The steering isn't that great for feel either. I think, as per the article, that people confuse weight with feel. The Mini has plenty and it loads up nicely but doesn't seem to convey what's happening as well as the 197.
The interior isn't anything to write home about, but it does the job quite well. I guess we can call it "functional" rather than "special"?
It's really down to what you want from a car really? Balancing +'ves and -'ves, that bit better when pressing on or on track vs. having that bit more comfort and the extra toys. You pays your money...
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