RE: Interview: Lee Noble / Fenix Automotive
Discussion
well he's already admitted in other interviews its a V8,
my first through was LS 1,2 or 3 .However he hasalways raved on about the Ford GT and how good a car that is, so weight is obviously not a major concern. Plus its all being built entirely in South Africa this time,
so my guess is Chevy short block in one form or another or ford modular V8. The hint is in the part that says you can upgrade from 400-600 bhp. Which would mean NA then supercharged versions.
In fact boith have huge history but i'm gonna pluck ford modular as it still ships cheaply in crate version,.
my first through was LS 1,2 or 3 .However he hasalways raved on about the Ford GT and how good a car that is, so weight is obviously not a major concern. Plus its all being built entirely in South Africa this time,
so my guess is Chevy short block in one form or another or ford modular V8. The hint is in the part that says you can upgrade from 400-600 bhp. Which would mean NA then supercharged versions.
In fact boith have huge history but i'm gonna pluck ford modular as it still ships cheaply in crate version,.
I've got to admit after reading Evo's car of the year with the Noble 600 my respect and desire to own one did increase drematically. It was probably the most 'me' car on the test and summed up by one line which reminded me very much of my Cerbera 'the acceleration of the car is insane but once you've stopped yoyo'ing up to speed in a straight line enjoying the emense power. The biggest surprise was to find just how well the car handled.' I'm writing that out from memory rather than word for word but you get the idea.
My only problem with the car (and its a big one) is the stupid price tag! You can't charge the customer for the development of the car otherwise a Golf would cost £100,000. You have to fit a price to the product.
I don't think anyone (who doesn't own one or can't drive one without getting out their cheque book like magazine testers) is going to look at the home built Brit garage look Noble with its utilitarian interior and simple design and think Wow what a beautifully sculptured supercar! I'll have that instead of the Lamborghini, Ferrari, Mclaren, Porsche, Aston Martin. It's a weekend toy / trackday car for petrolheads. Sure a great one but even Porsche would dare charge over £100,000 for that and look at their product! Can't argure the value of a GT3.
If Lee Noble really does manage to build a similar product to replace the gaping hole left by TVR in the world market as a disproporionately fast British sports car for his desired £70k THAT to me would be everything the N600 isn't, and I don't care in the slightest if it can't trump the spec list.
My only problem with the car (and its a big one) is the stupid price tag! You can't charge the customer for the development of the car otherwise a Golf would cost £100,000. You have to fit a price to the product.
I don't think anyone (who doesn't own one or can't drive one without getting out their cheque book like magazine testers) is going to look at the home built Brit garage look Noble with its utilitarian interior and simple design and think Wow what a beautifully sculptured supercar! I'll have that instead of the Lamborghini, Ferrari, Mclaren, Porsche, Aston Martin. It's a weekend toy / trackday car for petrolheads. Sure a great one but even Porsche would dare charge over £100,000 for that and look at their product! Can't argure the value of a GT3.
If Lee Noble really does manage to build a similar product to replace the gaping hole left by TVR in the world market as a disproporionately fast British sports car for his desired £70k THAT to me would be everything the N600 isn't, and I don't care in the slightest if it can't trump the spec list.
Edited by Niffty951 on Friday 1st January 13:50
Niffty951 said:
My only problem with the car (and its a big one) is the stupid price tag! You can't charge the customer for the development of the car otherwise a Golf would cost £100,000. You have to fit a price to the product.
How else do you price a car if you don't charge the customer for the development?Pesty said:
Is there any chance he is using the same Volvo V8 as the Noble?
That would certainly piss on their chips
I doubt that would happen for various legal and IP related reasons. The final development on the Volvo unit was done exclusively for Noble Automotive by that Amercian company anyway IIRC so the standard Volvo unit itself is not really sport car centered. That would certainly piss on their chips
Edited by HeavySoul on Friday 1st January 17:11
Niffty951 said:
I've got to admit after reading Evo's car of the year with the Noble 600 my respect and desire to own one did increase drematically. It was probably the most 'me' car on the test and summed up by one line which reminded me very much of my Cerbera 'the acceleration of the car is insane but once you've stopped yoyo'ing up to speed in a straight line enjoying the emense power. The biggest surprise was to find just how well the car handled.' I'm writing that out from memory rather than word for word but you get the idea.
My only problem with the car (and its a big one) is the stupid price tag! You can't charge the customer for the development of the car otherwise a Golf would cost £100,000. You have to fit a price to the product.
I don't think anyone (who doesn't own one or can't drive one without getting out their cheque book like magazine testers) is going to look at the home built Brit garage look Noble with its utilitarian interior and simple design and think Wow what a beautifully sculptured supercar! I'll have that instead of the Lamborghini, Ferrari, Mclaren, Porsche, Aston Martin. It's a weekend toy / trackday car for petrolheads. Sure a great one but even Porsche would dare charge over £100,000 for that and look at their product! Can't argure the value of a GT3.
If Lee Noble really does manage to build a similar product to replace the gaping hole left by TVR in the world market as a disproporionately fast British sports car for his desired £70k THAT to me would be everything the N600 isn't, and I don't care in the slightest if it can't trump the spec list.
well saidMy only problem with the car (and its a big one) is the stupid price tag! You can't charge the customer for the development of the car otherwise a Golf would cost £100,000. You have to fit a price to the product.
I don't think anyone (who doesn't own one or can't drive one without getting out their cheque book like magazine testers) is going to look at the home built Brit garage look Noble with its utilitarian interior and simple design and think Wow what a beautifully sculptured supercar! I'll have that instead of the Lamborghini, Ferrari, Mclaren, Porsche, Aston Martin. It's a weekend toy / trackday car for petrolheads. Sure a great one but even Porsche would dare charge over £100,000 for that and look at their product! Can't argure the value of a GT3.
If Lee Noble really does manage to build a similar product to replace the gaping hole left by TVR in the world market as a disproporionately fast British sports car for his desired £70k THAT to me would be everything the N600 isn't, and I don't care in the slightest if it can't trump the spec list.
Edited by Niffty951 on Friday 1st January 13:50
sorry
+1
egomeister said:
How else do you price a car if you don't charge the customer for the development?
I imagine (my code for outright guess) that you have a plan to get a return on you investment at a certain point. After say 100 cars or whatever. from then on its pure profit.I guess ROI plans are driven by any onvestors who may want a quick return. Problem is if they have got their sums wrong this quick return may put off customers and the whole thing could go tits up.
I guess its a really fine ballance.
Edited by Pesty on Friday 1st January 18:10
egomeister said:
Niffty951 said:
My only problem with the car (and its a big one) is the stupid price tag! You can't charge the customer for the development of the car otherwise a Golf would cost £100,000. You have to fit a price to the product.
How else do you price a car if you don't charge the customer for the development?fatbutt said:
egomeister said:
Niffty951 said:
My only problem with the car (and its a big one) is the stupid price tag! You can't charge the customer for the development of the car otherwise a Golf would cost £100,000. You have to fit a price to the product.
How else do you price a car if you don't charge the customer for the development?From the little I know of Dyson, he seems to have a large business interests elsewhere so presume he is pretty secure in the medium term to shore up some of the large initial costs of development/building.
What would you say the life cycle on a car like the M600 is? Four/five years?
HeavySoul said:
fatbutt said:
egomeister said:
Niffty951 said:
My only problem with the car (and its a big one) is the stupid price tag! You can't charge the customer for the development of the car otherwise a Golf would cost £100,000. You have to fit a price to the product.
How else do you price a car if you don't charge the customer for the development?From the little I know of Dyson, he seems to have a large business interests elsewhere so presume he is pretty secure in the medium term to shore up some of the large initial costs of development/building.
What would you say the life cycle on a car like the M600 is? Four/five years?
Been over 4 years since that was written.. anything ever happen?
I saw this in 2010 http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...
and this in 2012 http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...
Are they for sale, working, etc?
I saw this in 2010 http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...
and this in 2012 http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...
Are they for sale, working, etc?
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