Mad Negative Camber. Why?

[JB!]

Marf said:

JB! said:

It's all fashion really, form over function, but a well excecuted dub looks a million times better than "gaz" in his saxo...

Yet "gaz" in his saxo could probably run rings around a gashed up well excecuted dub around some b-roads.

I guess some people are far too concerned about how their car looks, rather than how well it drives.

having seen the way "gaz" drives down @ MK Cruise, I'm not too worried about a French fag-packet driven by a spotty oik, but you have a point. People don't get into the VAG scene for performance. It's (in 90% of cases) style over substance, granted, well-excecuted style and quality workmanship, but "show cages" don't do it for me!

My cupra has been "freshened up" with some smoothing and colour coding, but I'm just saving up for a big turbo setup and some nice buckets and harnesses.

Project 644 said:

JB! said:

On my cupra (16x6.5") I run no caster,

No. You do run caster. You just don't run any more than the factory settings. HTH

sorry, I don't recall you setting my car up for me?

FYI I don't run caster or excessive toe because the front ARB and wishbones are polybushed, which means the car reacts differently to it's original setup with more flexible bushes, and thus has to be setup differently.

Thanks.

Oh, and it looks like the PH resident trolls have got hold of this thread...

If the most amazing handling "hot hatch" looked like a daewoo nexia, would you still own one?

[The Wookie]

JB! said:

It's (in 90% of cases) style over substance, granted, well-excecuted style and quality workmanship, but "show cages" don't do it for me!

If you want to have a whinge about safety of mods, then show cages are the ones to go for, all of the problems of a cage (namely not being able to use the back seats and the risk of head injury without a lid on) with none of the benefits (namely chassis stiffness and not getting squashed by the ground when things go tits up)

[kambites]

Interesting, I've never come across a car with no caster at all. Wont that mean the steering doesn't auto-centre at all?

[warped head]

I thought polybushes were stiffer than the normal rubber bushes used in most cars? not softer...

[JB!]

kambites said:

Interesting, I've never come across a car with no caster at all. Wont that mean the steering doesn't auto-centre at all?

front coilover looks vertical to me, and was adjusted that way after polybushing, steering centres, but nowhere near as fast as before...

Now also running more front negative camber.

[PhillipM]

Just 'cause the coilover looks vertical, doesn't mean it is.
No caster would be a really weird setup to have, even if you are running polybushes that doesn't make much difference - hell, I'm running rose joints and I'm still running 6.5 degrees of caster, 'cause it the flex in a buh doesn't really affect the reasoning behind having it anyway...

Edited by PhillipM on Monday 30th November 15:39

Edited by PhillipM on Monday 30th November 15:39

[JB!]

warped head said:

I thought polybushes were stiffer than the normal rubber bushes used in most cars? not softer...

they are, you are reading it wrong. *insert smiley*

[HereBeMonsters]

JB! said:

If the most amazing handling "hot hatch" looked like a daewoo nexia, would you still own one?

That would be awesome.

[Marf]

HereBeMonsters said:

JB! said:

If the most amazing handling "hot hatch" looked like a daewoo nexia, would you still own one?

That would be awesome.

The MK2 Astra wasnt a bad handling car, was it?

[Huff]

Marf said:

The MK2 Astra wasnt a bad handling car, was it?

NO. It was a dreadful-handling car.

[Marf]

[HereBeMonsters]

Huff said:

Marf said:

The MK2 Astra wasnt a bad handling car, was it?

NO. It was a dreadful-handling car.

Seconded.

OK, so the only I ever drove one there were 4 people in the back, it was on DitchFinder(TM) tyres and it had just rained, but I was doing under 20mph into the roundabout. I turned the wheel, the car went straight on.
"We're dropping Rich off first." I said as it headed for Sandhurst rather than Wokingham...

[williamp]

More unusualc amber angles- only a slight turn here:

[carl_w]

warped head said:

Look at BTCC.

The lacetti its FWD and iirc has a mahoosive spoiler.

theres a function to that or the guy who run the team wouldnt have stuck it on.

Afraid not. The wings in BTCC have to produce zero downforce, but their presence is (IIRC) mandated by the rules to make them look like 'racing cars'. It's sad, but it's the way the rules went a few years ago.

[kambites]

carl_w said:

warped head said:

Look at BTCC.

The lacetti its FWD and iirc has a mahoosive spoiler.

theres a function to that or the guy who run the team wouldnt have stuck it on.

Afraid not. The wings in BTCC have to produce zero downforce, but their presence is (IIRC) mandated by the rules to make them look like 'racing cars'. It's sad, but it's the way the rules went a few years ago.

Is that really true?

[carl_w]

kambites said:

carl_w said:

warped head said:

Look at BTCC.

The lacetti its FWD and iirc has a mahoosive spoiler.

theres a function to that or the guy who run the team wouldnt have stuck it on.

Afraid not. The wings in BTCC have to produce zero downforce, but their presence is (IIRC) mandated by the rules to make them look like 'racing cars'. It's sad, but it's the way the rules went a few years ago.

Is that really true?

Actually further investigation reveals that it may no longer be true. I think that was the BTC-Touring regs that were in place up to 2007, and they run to Super 2000 (WTCC) regs now although some BTC-T cars still compete.

[kambites]

There's nothing wrong with wings on the back of FWD cars as long as they have sufficient down-force on the front as well, anyway.

[warped head]

kambites said:

There's nothing wrong with wings on the back of FWD cars as long as they have sufficient down-force on the front as well, anyway.

nahh.

Loads on the back, none on the front, wheelie init yo!!!

(dont tell me that you need a rwd car to wheelie as i already know this, im being sarcastic)

[sadako]

Airbag said:

Mr MoJo said:

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Worse.

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WTF is going on there? Did someone leave that out in the sun or something?

Bosozoku (street tribe) style. It exists solely so that people can create the most insane thing possible.

[kambites]

In a way I can respect that pink... thing. It clearly only exists for comedy value - at least it's not trying to be something it isn't.