DVLA Refused Trade Plate Application WTF ???
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Yes he's a classic car dealer.
This kind:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warwickrobinson/22523...
Thats not his but looks similar - sadly such cars are wasted on me.
Actually you find that people who have lots of money that they have EARNT don't tend to like flashy salesmen and expensive premises as they know they are paying for them. Also they tend to be far more reasonable people to deal with than those buying £5k cars.
This kind:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warwickrobinson/22523...
Thats not his but looks similar - sadly such cars are wasted on me.
Actually you find that people who have lots of money that they have EARNT don't tend to like flashy salesmen and expensive premises as they know they are paying for them. Also they tend to be far more reasonable people to deal with than those buying £5k cars.
OnlyMX5ives said:
Yes he's a classic car dealer.
This kind:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warwickrobinson/22523...
Thats not his but looks similar - sadly such cars are wasted on me.
Actually you find that people who have lots of money that they have EARNT don't tend to like flashy salesmen and expensive premises as they know they are paying for them. Also they tend to be far more reasonable people to deal with than those buying £5k cars.
Whats wrong with people that buy 5k cars??This kind:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warwickrobinson/22523...
Thats not his but looks similar - sadly such cars are wasted on me.
Actually you find that people who have lots of money that they have EARNT don't tend to like flashy salesmen and expensive premises as they know they are paying for them. Also they tend to be far more reasonable people to deal with than those buying £5k cars.
falkster said:
OnlyMX5ives said:
Yes he's a classic car dealer.
This kind:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warwickrobinson/22523...
Thats not his but looks similar - sadly such cars are wasted on me.
Actually you find that people who have lots of money that they have EARNT don't tend to like flashy salesmen and expensive premises as they know they are paying for them. Also they tend to be far more reasonable people to deal with than those buying £5k cars.
Whats wrong with people that buy 5k cars??This kind:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/warwickrobinson/22523...
Thats not his but looks similar - sadly such cars are wasted on me.
Actually you find that people who have lots of money that they have EARNT don't tend to like flashy salesmen and expensive premises as they know they are paying for them. Also they tend to be far more reasonable people to deal with than those buying £5k cars.
My Soarer V8 was sub £500 and I have no problem buying and selling cheap cars, its just its frequently easier dealing with the higher priced stuff.
Fox- said:
OnlyMX5ives said:
Fox- said:
Does he have retail premesis? If so how does he sustain them on only 50 cars a year? Thats going to be a very low turnover let alone operating profit?
Or does he flog them from his driveway, in which case, good for the DVLA?
Why on earth does that matter ?Or does he flog them from his driveway, in which case, good for the DVLA?
He has been a successful trader for 30+ yrs and 50 x say £5k profit = a nice little business thanks.
OnlyMX5ives said:
markcoznottz said:
There is no chuffing limit!. If you are buying cars to sell and make a profit then its a business end of as far as HMRC are concerned. People are so naieve on the subject of selling cars from home. I put it to the OP that his dad is a chancer who like previous posters have suggested, thought he could make a nice little earner selling a few cars from his front room, and bypass all the responsibilities that running a a legit car sales business incurs. You need to be VAT registered to buy trade ins from other garages, and cars from the auctions so I dont know where you intend to purchase vehicles. Thats if you can find any cars; massive shortgages of used vehciles, and thats even for traders with a stocking loan and a fueled up transporter ready to go and buy at the drop of a hat. You cannot use your house as premises either, I would check the small print on your mortgage, also the house insurance is invalid, so if your house burnt down that would be it. Game over no payout.
I put it to you that you can't be arsed to read posts otherwise you'd see that Dad is VAT registered (NOT that you have to be to buy from dealers nor most auctions) has over 50 cars in stock and has been trading for 30 yrs.How many chancers sell £200k Bentleys ?
To$$er !
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To say Tom Hartly sells from home is stretching it. If memory serves correct, he has a purpose built showroom on his premises; well his residence i suppose, and lots of SOR vehicles on stock. Certainly not your average 'trader'. You say that your dad has over 50 vehicles in stock, but only trades 50 a year from home which doesnt add up . So he doesnt have a stock at all if he doesnt have premises.he just buys and sells . Im not surprised youve been caught out, the DVLA is clamping down on people selling from home, you know the sort, set of trade plates, 'mate' in the trade gets trade ins, cheap adverts on ebay etc. The profit from these deals is hardly ever declared its no wonder people get caught.
Buzzkill said:
Dick_Phallus said:
GC8 said:
POORCARDEALER said:
GC8 said:
POORCARDEALER said:
There is no automatic right to trade plates...........if they were happy with his books and he hasnt had previous problems related to trade plates then they should issue them, clearly something they are not happy with. Ask them.
Rubbish - look at the application form: theres no tick-box for 'have included my accounts for your perusal'.Hope that helps.
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Thanks - Tony.)Edited by TonyHetherington on Friday 15th January 16:04
markcoznottz said:
OnlyMX5ives said:
markcoznottz said:
There is no chuffing limit!. If you are buying cars to sell and make a profit then its a business end of as far as HMRC are concerned. People are so naieve on the subject of selling cars from home. I put it to the OP that his dad is a chancer who like previous posters have suggested, thought he could make a nice little earner selling a few cars from his front room, and bypass all the responsibilities that running a a legit car sales business incurs. You need to be VAT registered to buy trade ins from other garages, and cars from the auctions so I dont know where you intend to purchase vehicles. Thats if you can find any cars; massive shortgages of used vehciles, and thats even for traders with a stocking loan and a fueled up transporter ready to go and buy at the drop of a hat. You cannot use your house as premises either, I would check the small print on your mortgage, also the house insurance is invalid, so if your house burnt down that would be it. Game over no payout.
I put it to you that you can't be arsed to read posts otherwise you'd see that Dad is VAT registered (NOT that you have to be to buy from dealers nor most auctions) has over 50 cars in stock and has been trading for 30 yrs.How many chancers sell £200k Bentleys ?
To$$er !
50 in stock !
He has approx 50 cars on his premises at any one time, that's what 'in stock' means.
I never said TH was an average trader and I never said my Dad was either.
In fact I posted about a simple Trade Plate issue and then had idiots like you witter on about something they know nothing about.
With every post you demonstrate increasing ignorance, it might be best you stop now.
Edited by OnlyMX5ives on Friday 15th January 16:12
Well, you would think most if not all people who would wish to join PistonHeads and then paticipate on the forum chat, would at least have some basic knowledge of the Automotive industry!
Some of the posts on this thread leave me bewildered at how inane and ignorant some people are!.....Nevertheless, thankfully, most debates still have interesting and logical comments to be found.
NB, i have deliberately not named anybody because there is far to much pointless slagging off on PH of late anyway, sarcasm is great, being just plain rude isn't
ps, should i post this on all the PH threads? (would be relevant on most!)
Some of the posts on this thread leave me bewildered at how inane and ignorant some people are!.....Nevertheless, thankfully, most debates still have interesting and logical comments to be found.
NB, i have deliberately not named anybody because there is far to much pointless slagging off on PH of late anyway, sarcasm is great, being just plain rude isn't
ps, should i post this on all the PH threads? (would be relevant on most!)
To the OP I would re-state my original advice - keep at it. All VROs will have the same issues and I believe that they expect you to badger them as part of the application process. I only had to do this once and I was told in no uncertain terms, by the trade plate officer, that he refused virtually everyone initially as this was the easiest way of weeding out the spurious applications. The days when a police constable inspected your premises are long since past and whilst the person at the VRO may indicate that theyd like to see your books (and if it suits you to show them, then why not?) they cant insist on it. My trade insurance policy was deemed to be sufficient proof of my status as a trader.
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OnlyMX5ives said:
Fox- said:
Does he have retail premesis? If so how does he sustain them on only 50 cars a year? Thats going to be a very low turnover let alone operating profit?
Or does he flog them from his driveway, in which case, good for the DVLA?
Why on earth does that matter ?Or does he flog them from his driveway, in which case, good for the DVLA?
He has been a successful trader for 30+ yrs and 50 x say £5k profit = a nice little business thanks.
fildigger said:
...Well, you would think most if not all people who would wish to join PistonHeads and then paticipate on the forum chat, would at least have some basic knowledge of the Automotive industry!
Some of the posts on this thread leave me bewildered at how inane and ignorant some people are!.....Nevertheless, thankfully, most debates still have interesting and logical comments to be found...
Itd be helpful if we could restrict people to posting only on subjects about which theyre genuinely knowledgeable. Of course, if we did that then the forum would die! That being the case, for the forum to survive, we actually need people confusing their ignorant opinion for fact, posting it: and then arguing the toss about it! Some of the posts on this thread leave me bewildered at how inane and ignorant some people are!.....Nevertheless, thankfully, most debates still have interesting and logical comments to be found...
GC8 said:
fildigger said:
...Well, you would think most if not all people who would wish to join PistonHeads and then paticipate on the forum chat, would at least have some basic knowledge of the Automotive industry!
Some of the posts on this thread leave me bewildered at how inane and ignorant some people are!.....Nevertheless, thankfully, most debates still have interesting and logical comments to be found...
Itd be helpful if we could restrict people to posting only on subjects about which theyre genuinely knowledgeable. Of course, if we did that then the forum would die! That being the case, for the forum to survive, we actually need people confusing their ignorant opinion for fact, posting it: and then arguing the toss about it! Some of the posts on this thread leave me bewildered at how inane and ignorant some people are!.....Nevertheless, thankfully, most debates still have interesting and logical comments to be found...
No different to what goes on in the houses of parliament
markcoznottz said:
OnlyMX5ives said:
Fox- said:
Does he have retail premesis? If so how does he sustain them on only 50 cars a year? Thats going to be a very low turnover let alone operating profit?
Or does he flog them from his driveway, in which case, good for the DVLA?
Why on earth does that matter ?Or does he flog them from his driveway, in which case, good for the DVLA?
He has been a successful trader for 30+ yrs and 50 x say £5k profit = a nice little business thanks.
I'd suggest any home that can take 50 cars is possibly one worthy of selling from.
Care to make any more stupid comments ?
Get back to cleaning cars.
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