Accelera tyres - worth avoiding??
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My Forester is rocking the ultimate tyre combo..Aoteli on the front and Hi Fly on the back....
Probably would be far better on some premium tyres, but its not a turbo, does a six mile commute and goes on bad roads across the New Forest.
Not once in the time ive had the car, its never slid, understeered, locked up, launched me into the nearest ditch, tree or river. They are cheap, but very very unlikely to kill me......
Our 330ci however has some super sticky Yokohamas on it and they suit it brilliantly!
Probably would be far better on some premium tyres, but its not a turbo, does a six mile commute and goes on bad roads across the New Forest.
Not once in the time ive had the car, its never slid, understeered, locked up, launched me into the nearest ditch, tree or river. They are cheap, but very very unlikely to kill me......
Our 330ci however has some super sticky Yokohamas on it and they suit it brilliantly!
xjay1337 said:
The Tracmax TX3 and the Rotalla Ru01 are exactly the same tyre made by the same company differing only in the name on the sidewall yet they performed (albeit slightly) differently in that test.Strange?!
Evercross said:
xjay1337 said:
The Tracmax TX3 and the Rotalla Ru01 are exactly the same tyre made by the same company differing only in the name on the sidewall yet they performed (albeit slightly) differently in that test.Strange?!
Those graphs are scaled to visually exaggerate the differences.
Evercross said:
xjay1337 said:
The Tracmax TX3 and the Rotalla Ru01 are exactly the same tyre made by the same company differing only in the name on the sidewall yet they performed (albeit slightly) differently in that test.Strange?!
The tyres have different tread patterns.
Even if the tyres have similar patterns the compounds may be different so you can't say "well they look the same" (even though, they don't - I've just googled)
You think the Accelera Alpha PHI-R are so good
I've given you independant, scientific evidence they aren't.
What are your comments to that?
Evercross said:
It's always the same with these tyre threads - people will generalise and say 'they are s
t' without actually specifying which model 'they' are talking about.FYI EP Tyres who make Acceleras are based in Indonesia (where most of the tyre manufacturers buy their rubber from) and own one of the largest rubber plantations in the world. Could it be their access to cheap and plentiful raw materials means they can reduced prices and still make a profit?
Don't get me wrong i appreciate some budgets are ok for the money; right now i have 2 x Three-A P606 on my Rover 45 project. Why? Because it came with them and they are basically new and they have full tread and its only a Rover 45 worth a few hundred.
But they are also rated upwards of 70% for wet and dry on tyre reviews which is just about "ok"...you're "Phi-Rs" are rated almost 25% WORSE in the wet! That's quite frankly a joke...i cant think of anything where you could consider 50% rating a good thing? A fail in anyones book.
My other car has 2x Continental Sport Contact 5 and 2x Goodyear Ultragrip Performance+ and its night and day even pulling out of my street in the wet
Seriously, Accelera are rubbish, even most other budgets probably laugh at them.
v8will said:
cptsideways said:
Surprisingly ok for a budget tyre, probably the best of the budget tyre options. They are'nt ditch finder speacials, come with a not too high treadwear rating which means they are made of rubber not plastic.
bks. They are ditch finders to the highest degree. Cheaper even than a Nankang tyreThe best 'value' tyre on the market is easily the Falken FK452, highly regarded and not at all expensive, maybe £20 per tyre more than a ditchfinder. Big difference between low cost and value for money.
I'm by no means a tyre snob and realise that not everyone wants to spend big money on Continental or bridgestone but why waste money on utter s
te just because it costs less?To the OP, those tyres, on a 330 or T5 is insanity. I very briefly had budgets on the front axle of my first T5 and wheel spin in 4th was a daily occurence. The replacement BF Goodrich tyres lasted a lot better and were IMHO money well spent
ks Sir, Ive had Accelera tyres in 22" format on a Mercedes ML and 22" on a Range Rover Sport and couldnt fault them.If you don't habitually use all of the performance of your tyres, you may not notice the limitations of that performance until the day you or someone else makes a mistake that forces you to rely on it. I'm not convinced that being a slow driver is a mitigation to using bad tyres, at least someone who pushes their car will know that their tyres are crap.
xjay1337 said:
Evercross said:
The Tracmax TX3 and the Rotalla Ru01 are exactly the same tyre made by the same company differing only in the name on the sidewall.
How can you say that???xjay1337 said:
The tyres have different tread patterns.
Have a closer look.....Tracmax TX3
Rotalla Ru01
They come from the same factory.
Edited by Evercross on Friday 21st February 15:03
Evercross said:
As I said, just because tyres may look the same doesn't mean they are the same.Tyres don't grip from their tread. Their compound does much more of the work.
I thought you meant that the Accelera had the same tread pattern as the others.
My misunderstanding.
Still, interested to hear your defense for the abysmal performance of the Accelera, despite your personal recommendations...
Evercross said:
xjay1337 said:
As I said, just because tyres may look the same doesn't mean they are the same. Tyres don't grip from their tread. Their compound does much more of the work.
In the case of the TX3 and the Ru01 they are indeed exactly the same.IN ANY EVENT
Can you answer my point?
Evercross said:
xjay1337 said:
As I said, just because tyres may look the same doesn't mean they are the same. Tyres don't grip from their tread. Their compound does much more of the work.
In the case of the TX3 and the Ru01 they are indeed exactly the same.u33db said:
No and i don't know you persist in arguing the point.
Don't get me wrong i appreciate some budgets are ok for the money; right now i have 2 x Three-A P606 on my Rover 45 project. Why? Because it came with them and they are basically new and they have full tread and its only a Rover 45 worth a few hundred.
But what about that one time when you need maximum braking and end up killing/injuring somebody because you couldn't stop in time?Don't get me wrong i appreciate some budgets are ok for the money; right now i have 2 x Three-A P606 on my Rover 45 project. Why? Because it came with them and they are basically new and they have full tread and its only a Rover 45 worth a few hundred.
They are very similar, but they are, very subtlety, different on the left side if you look closely.
Evercross said:
As someone said previously, some people wouldn't know the difference between a good and a bad tyre if their life depended on it. Having a nice, fast, or expensive car means nothing either. xjay1337 said:
Well clearly not if they have considerably different results.
As I mentioned, the graphs used deliberately exaggerate the difference by graphing only a small part of the whole distance. The results listed have them roughly 8-12" different over a 30m+ stop.The width of a mousemat. Over 30+ metres.
I'm not sure in what world that counts as "considerably different".
(eta - I'm not commenting on whether they are any good or not, there's enough pedantry going round in This Week's Cheap Tyres Thread already.)
I'm not quite sure what you mean.
The graph has be scaled in such a way it's easy to differentiate between different tyres sure.
Because maybe 10 tyres (say premium brands) stop within , say 2M of each other, you need a wide graph otherwise it will be hard to see
By having a relatively large amount of graph show only for example 0.5M you can easily see the differences.
But to compare the PS4 to the Accelera for example is a huge difference
The graph has be scaled in such a way it's easy to differentiate between different tyres sure.
Because maybe 10 tyres (say premium brands) stop within , say 2M of each other, you need a wide graph otherwise it will be hard to see
By having a relatively large amount of graph show only for example 0.5M you can easily see the differences.
But to compare the PS4 to the Accelera for example is a huge difference
Back to back with Conti SP3 and then P Zero- Nero’s, the Accelera’s were OK, but the sidewalls are weak and I understand the compound QA is poor, so I got lucky!
First time round there was no stock of anything else the right spec, second time I was selling the car, I wouldn’t normally buy things like this.
If you buy these things you are taking a risk, if you get a duff set or kerb them you may find yourself renewing them with a ton of tread still on them.
First time round there was no stock of anything else the right spec, second time I was selling the car, I wouldn’t normally buy things like this.
If you buy these things you are taking a risk, if you get a duff set or kerb them you may find yourself renewing them with a ton of tread still on them.
Evercross said:
The Tracmax TX3 and the Rotalla Ru01 are exactly the same tyre made by the same company differing only in the name on the sidewall yet they performed (albeit slightly) differently in that test.
Strange?!
Even if they are exactly the same tyre (including compound) then the nature of tyre testing means you'd be unlikely to get exactly the same value each time, there will be small differences. That isn't able to excuse the Accelera for it's tragic wet performance though.Strange?!
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