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kambites said:
but I have an inherent distrust of modern high-pressure injection engines.
As do I. When our 330i POS broke down recently, we had the misfortune of having a 320i auto. It was smoother at tickover than our POS, but once up and running made an unfortunate whining noise without doing much. Horrific. Are they really any better than equivalent Focus at this level?NoelWatson said:
kambites said:
but I have an inherent distrust of modern high-pressure injection engines.
As do I. When our 330i POS broke down recently, we had the misfortune of having a 320i auto. It was smoother at tickover than our POS, but once up and running made an unfortunate whining noise without doing much. Horrific. Are they really any better than equivalent Focus at this level?
kambites said:
NoelWatson said:
kambites said:
but I have an inherent distrust of modern high-pressure injection engines.
As do I. When our 330i POS broke down recently, we had the misfortune of having a 320i auto. It was smoother at tickover than our POS, but once up and running made an unfortunate whining noise without doing much. Horrific. Are they really any better than equivalent Focus at this level?
k that get a GT2! 
I've driven both and would say the 120i engine is ok, but the 120d is actually a much better engine, regardless of the fact it is diesel. Comparing both cars the 120d gives a nice urge that rewards the driver, whereas the 120i doesn't feel like it has 170bhp and certainly sounds no more attractive.
I've had both these engines in two previous cars, a 320i and a 520d and even in the 5 series with all its extra weight it still felt like the better performer.
I would be amazed if anyone who has actually driven both would prefer the i over the d.
I should have added that I bought a 320i over the d because at the time the deal I got made it much better value for me, I felt quite soon afterwards I had a great car with an average engine. The d's or the 6 cylinder petrols BMW make seem to be much better than competitors, whilst the 4 cylinder petrols are average.
I've had both these engines in two previous cars, a 320i and a 520d and even in the 5 series with all its extra weight it still felt like the better performer.
I would be amazed if anyone who has actually driven both would prefer the i over the d.
I should have added that I bought a 320i over the d because at the time the deal I got made it much better value for me, I felt quite soon afterwards I had a great car with an average engine. The d's or the 6 cylinder petrols BMW make seem to be much better than competitors, whilst the 4 cylinder petrols are average.
Edited by brenflys777 on Sunday 26th December 09:01
Striping away the arguments about the merits of the 1 series, and comparing the 20i with the 20d, IMHO the "i" has nothing going for it whatsoever.
I've done just over 34,000 miles in a 2009 320d, and to date despite no effort whatsoever, it is returning 49mpg for that entire time.
The engine pulls well and as has been said, never feels lacking and it is plenty quick enough in the real world.
I had the (dis)pleasure of getting a 320i as a hire car recently for a good few thousand miles and it is a dog - the worst engine BMW make. It couldn't pull the skin off a custard, is completely lacking in torque, and hates being revved. It doesn't even sound any better than the derv unit. Add to that an average of just uner 30mpg and it really doesn't make much of a case for its self.
I've done just over 34,000 miles in a 2009 320d, and to date despite no effort whatsoever, it is returning 49mpg for that entire time.
The engine pulls well and as has been said, never feels lacking and it is plenty quick enough in the real world.
I had the (dis)pleasure of getting a 320i as a hire car recently for a good few thousand miles and it is a dog - the worst engine BMW make. It couldn't pull the skin off a custard, is completely lacking in torque, and hates being revved. It doesn't even sound any better than the derv unit. Add to that an average of just uner 30mpg and it really doesn't make much of a case for its self.
Edited by edo on Sunday 26th December 10:57
edo said:
I had the (dis)pleasure of getting a 320i as a hire car recently for a good few thousand miles and it is a dog - the worst engine BMW make. It couldn't pull the skin off a custard, is completely lacking in torque, and hates being revved. It doesn't even sound any better than the derv unit. Add to that an average of just uner 30mpg and it really doesn't make much of a case for its self.
See my comments above - agree 100% - dire engine.Edited by edo on Sunday 26th December 10:57
Fox- said:
CTS86 said:
kambites said:
Seriously though, surely no-one buys a 1-series if they don't want rear seats because they'd buy a Z4 instead.
But you can't get a diesel Z4...
NoelWatson said:
edo said:
I had the (dis)pleasure of getting a 320i as a hire car recently for a good few thousand miles and it is a dog - the worst engine BMW make. It couldn't pull the skin off a custard, is completely lacking in torque, and hates being revved. It doesn't even sound any better than the derv unit. Add to that an average of just uner 30mpg and it really doesn't make much of a case for its self.
See my comments above - agree 100% - dire engine.Edited by edo on Sunday 26th December 10:57
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