RE: SOTW: VW Citi Golf
Discussion
jake15919 said:
The last couple of pages have been pure comedy gold. A guy who can't spell the word 'capital' telling a poster he doesn't use capital letters correctly, and another guy who doesn't know when to use capital letters telling the original capital letter criminal that he can't spell. On a motoring site. 
'Judge not lest ye be judged' covers it I think.
I can see where you're coming from but whether spelling capital correctly or not, the main problem is readability.'Judge not lest ye be judged' covers it I think.
KM666 said:
Because like most people who dont know much about cars he had an honest belief a main used car dealership wouldnt rip him off like that, i told him he should haggle and GMO (the dealership) were dodgy and have no moral issues with selling deathtrap old wrecks, sadly my idiot mechanic mate got him really hyped up about it being a golf and in his childish 'i want any old crap i see' attidue he persuaded the guy to buy it... he went on to get himself ripped off by a Welsh Aisan dealership on a cat D Astra coupe turbo, they took the car back, but 'forgot' to refund him, on the same idiots advice. He had to let an Accord type R go on Pistonheads as it happens for far far less than it was worth (anybody who got an Accord type R recently on about 98k for £2800 (he paid £3800 3 months previously) got themselves a bargin despite the iminent clutch change (not sure if it had it changed for the sale). He learnt the hard way. To address your other point i dont know anybody whos had a good experience owning a VW (bar the same idiot mechanic who bought a mk2 GTi for £50) its mostly mk3 golfs that people i know have had trouble with but a friends wife who has a mk5 golf under warrenty had to pay out £360 because stones got into the brake caliper (a common issue they told her, hence, a £360 bill). I dont think they are any better a place to be in than any other car with the majority of VWs iv ever had the misfortune to travel in having very bad seats for long journies, wierd buffeting if you open the rear windows, and being cramped and slow and heavy. To me plastic is plastic no matter how well its nailed in. Plus theres something that makes me uneasy about how far forward the engines are, i dont know what it is, but its probably something from engineering in college about using an essentialy flawed layout. (although it works for Porsche the other way round)
I was considering translating this for you but it is so hopelessly bad I gave up after 2 lines.I don't believe this example would come close to passing with a B in GCSE English. I don't know why you're bothering with university if you cannot even be bothered to write in a vaguely correct way on here (we can cope with the odd spelling mistake). I don't know why you think your lecturers English is an excuse to lower yourself.
You are a hypocrite in calling people 'jobsworth' because no doubt (when you have one), it'll be more than your job's worth to write in proper English.
While you continue to write like this you will have no hope in most fields you might choose to work in. Good luck, you're going to need it.
Blooming heck boys and girls, I thought this was a discussion about SOTW, not a spelling and grammar debate. Who cares, if you don't like what has been written, then ignore and move on. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but sometimes I think people on forums take things too seriously. There are more important things in life to worry about than some posters input.
Great little car, slightly overpriced but it will be someone's pride and joy soon.
Great little car, slightly overpriced but it will be someone's pride and joy soon.
KM666 said:
Riggers said:
KM666 said:
And whlist were on Punctuation does the article really need a hyphen between 'African' and 'Built' African-built or African built.
Yes. It doesn't really need the hyphen, but it does make it explicitly clear that African-built is attributable to 'Citi Golf'. The point of such things is to make your meaning as clear as possible, and adding the hyphen removes any alternative interpretations of the phrase.Might not seem important to you (and each to their own - and I wouldn't attack you for your approach to such things), but anything that makes meaning clearer is a good thing from my point of view (including, when appropriate, emoticons and abbreviations)
HTH, etc.Now - back on topic, please folks!
However, if I couldn't use spelling, punctuation and grammar correctly (at least most of the time), I would not be able to do my job properly. So yes, it really does matter to me (but, like I say, what and how you write is entirely up to you
).
This thread should have been about the merits of the Citi Golf which as I see it is a good way for people to own a mk1 golf which benefits from being 20years younger and has a few more creature comforts than the original! The biggest downside in my opinion is that the Citi Golf was never available as a 3door, had it been I think there would be far more being imported to be used to reshell/rebuild originals which are getting too infected with rust.
On a side note (and this is rhetorical) does anyone else wonder how many people are driven away from PH because of spelling Nazis being overly critical and insulting without contributing anything useful to a thread. Can we just accept that some people can spell/punctuate and others can’t and those who want to assess peoples’ spelling can go a spelling forum.
Dave
On a side note (and this is rhetorical) does anyone else wonder how many people are driven away from PH because of spelling Nazis being overly critical and insulting without contributing anything useful to a thread. Can we just accept that some people can spell/punctuate and others can’t and those who want to assess peoples’ spelling can go a spelling forum.
Dave
There'll be plenty of Citi Golfs that would have spent the vast majority of their lives in the dryer parts of SA, and particularly inland.
You can be pretty certain those won't have any rust at all.
No salt on the roads in winter helps too!
So MK1 fans all over can look forward to a healthy supply of bodyshells in years to come.
You can be pretty certain those won't have any rust at all.
No salt on the roads in winter helps too!
So MK1 fans all over can look forward to a healthy supply of bodyshells in years to come.
aka_kerrly said:
This thread should have been about the merits of the Citi Golf which as I see it is a good way for people to own a mk1 golf which benefits from being 20years younger and has a few more creature comforts than the original! The biggest downside in my opinion is that the Citi Golf was never available as a 3door, had it been I think there would be far more being imported to be used to reshell/rebuild originals which are getting too infected with rust.
On a side note (and this is rhetorical) does anyone else wonder how many people are driven away from PH because of spelling Nazis being overly critical and insulting without contributing anything useful to a thread. Can we just accept that some people can spell/punctuate and others can’t and those who want to assess peoples’ spelling can go a spelling forum.
Dave
There are no spelling Nazis here, everyone makes mistakes and no-one really worries (the break/brake thing does get on my tits though) nor did I notice any personal attacks either.On a side note (and this is rhetorical) does anyone else wonder how many people are driven away from PH because of spelling Nazis being overly critical and insulting without contributing anything useful to a thread. Can we just accept that some people can spell/punctuate and others can’t and those who want to assess peoples’ spelling can go a spelling forum.
Dave
But if you produce a stream of incomprehensible semi-literate nonsense and then try to justify it on the basis that its not important and that some of the finest tertiary educational establishments in the country don't give a f
k about how poorly you communicate, you might get a few people disagreeing.As you probably have noticed, there is little text-speak on Pistonheads. Its not a stated policy, but its the way most posters seem to like it.
In fact I'd hazard a guess that if it did become the norm a lots of existing members would indeed be driven away.
Good point about the lack of three door bodyshells. That kills my 1.8t engined sleeper project.
SS7
shoestring7 said:
There are no spelling Nazis here, everyone makes mistakes and no-one really worries (the break/brake thing does get on my tits though) nor did I notice any personal attacks either.
But if you produce a stream of incomprehensible semi-literate nonsense and then try to justify it on the basis that its not important and that some of the finest tertiary educational establishments in the country don't give a fk about how poorly you communicate, you might get a few people disagreeing.
Good point about the lack of three door bodyshells. That kills my 1.8t engined sleeper project.
SS7
RE: Text in bold. I agree that the poster who seriously believes that because the university he attends has slack English in their literature that it must be acceptable was/is completely wrong but rather than other people repeatedly try and correct him (winding themselves up in the process) it would be better to ignore him until such a time that he has raised his writing standards.But if you produce a stream of incomprehensible semi-literate nonsense and then try to justify it on the basis that its not important and that some of the finest tertiary educational establishments in the country don't give a f
k about how poorly you communicate, you might get a few people disagreeing.Good point about the lack of three door bodyshells. That kills my 1.8t engined sleeper project.
SS7
Back onto the original topic and your last comment, a Citi golf with a 20VT would be an interesting proposal because from what I can tell the Citi uses CE2 electrics so it would be a lot easier to wire up than a genuine mk1 which uses CE1. Also by looking at the South African VW website you can see the more recent versions of the Citi have what appear to be Skoda Fabia interiors including dashboard which I have to say I’ve not seen in a UK mk1 yet (although I know of one with a 6n2 Polo dash install) and different lights/grills/bumpers, I wonder how easy it would be to get these parts from VW UK.
Esseesse said:
I was considering translating this for you but it is so hopelessly bad I gave up after 2 lines.
I don't believe this example would come close to passing with a B in GCSE English. I don't know why you're bothering with university if you cannot even be bothered to write in a vaguely correct way on here (we can cope with the odd spelling mistake). I don't know why you think your lecturers English is an excuse to lower yourself.
You are a hypocrite in calling people 'jobsworth' because no doubt (when you have one), it'll be more than your job's worth to write in proper English.
While you continue to write like this you will have no hope in most fields you might choose to work in. Good luck, you're going to need it.
Because a car forum isnt university. A car forum isnt anything other than entertainment. I don't believe this example would come close to passing with a B in GCSE English. I don't know why you're bothering with university if you cannot even be bothered to write in a vaguely correct way on here (we can cope with the odd spelling mistake). I don't know why you think your lecturers English is an excuse to lower yourself.
You are a hypocrite in calling people 'jobsworth' because no doubt (when you have one), it'll be more than your job's worth to write in proper English.
While you continue to write like this you will have no hope in most fields you might choose to work in. Good luck, you're going to need it.
Why if i dont bother using good english on forums would i not use correct english elsewhere? You know, where it actually matters and is being judged by people who actually influence my day to day exsistance and who's judgements of my literary skills have a real bearing on employment prospects etc etc.
Yes it no doubt will be my jobs worth to write in proper english, the key word there being job .
Other than the guys who write and run Pistonheads I wasnt aware posters on Pistonheads were actually being employed by the website, so my 'jobsworth' comment is not hypocritical in any sense of the word.
"A jobsworth is a minor factotum whose only status comes from enforcing otherwise petty regulations..." - In this case IT 'types' enforcing spelling, grammar and punctuation.
If it were a load of English teachers commenting on my bad use of English that would be thier jobs worth "...or who seemingly delights in acting in an obstructive or unhelpful manner."
You clearly have no idea of the state of the education system.
If the teacher is communicating with the student using bad English why would the student not think the teacher was actually using correct English, with no other referance points to work from is it not logical to assume somebody whos profession is education will adhere to some form of convention or standard of education themselves?
Of course i could go through life assuming the massive collective incompetance of all peoples working within the education system but some 15 years into it and it becomes very apparent you cant fight the system.
Why is this... It couldnt be your generations meddling with anything and everything that seems to work could it?
Edited by KM666 cuz i gt da gme lkd dwn ye boi on Tuesday 22 March 13:01
Edited by KM666 on Tuesday 22 March 13:06
KM666 said:
Why is this... It couldnt be your generations meddling with anything and everything that seems to work could it?
I don't have time right now to reply to all of your post, but for info I'm only a few years older than you. I finished university in 2006 and back then they did still care about English.Riggers said:
Right. Let's get this clear. You are perfectly entitled to write however illiterately (and that's what it is - so please don't take offence) you like. I honestly don't mind.
However, if I couldn't use spelling, punctuation and grammar correctly (at least most of the time), I would not be able to do my job properly. So yes, it really does matter to me (but, like I say, what and how you write is entirely up to you ).
But your trade is the English langauge, that is how you earn your money. However, if I couldn't use spelling, punctuation and grammar correctly (at least most of the time), I would not be able to do my job properly. So yes, it really does matter to me (but, like I say, what and how you write is entirely up to you
).What about this. Say you go to the pub, you expect the guy behind the counter to know how to pull a pint yes? But then should all the punters be expected to share that knowledge too? Most people would say no.
Some will make a better job of it than others, same as some people will read through what they write before posting. Others just want to drink down the foamy mess of a pint and have a butchers around.
If your trade is the English langauge and still you make some mistakes (suggested above) is it unreasonable to assume somebody who isnt trading off the English langauge will have a much more lax attitude toward it.
Esseesse said:
I don't have time right now to reply to all of your post, but for info I'm only a few years older than you. I finished university in 2006 and back then they did still care about English.
So if your a few years older than myself you'll have probably missed out on the restructuring of 'sets'. The abolishment of abilty based groups and a push to get everybody at least 3 GCSE's (Some of the GCSE's were unfailable, ICT for example was a half hour exam with no coursework to hand in, if you turned up, you got a C).
You'll probably have missed out on the changing attitudes of school teachers who began to consider themselves more like college tutors. (i.e. taking the attitude that if you didnt turn up that was down to you - instead of before when they'd come into town or the park looking for you)
Not a great atmosphere for exam-time and for what was a fairly disruptive yeargroup as it was, giving off the impression that they dont care and we could do what we want would only lead to trouble.
DennisTheMenace said:
Wouldnt touch it, they rust like feck over in SA, seen a couple going around with the A-pillars pretty much gone!
I had one for about 5 years, and it spent a fair amount of time on the coast, and I didn't have any rust problems.The Citi models were quite corrosion resistant AFAIK.
The original (SA built) MK1's were not.
KM666 said:
Riggers said:
Right. Let's get this clear. You are perfectly entitled to write however illiterately (and that's what it is - so please don't take offence) you like. I honestly don't mind.
However, if I couldn't use spelling, punctuation and grammar correctly (at least most of the time), I would not be able to do my job properly. So yes, it really does matter to me (but, like I say, what and how you write is entirely up to you ).
But your trade is the English langauge, that is how you earn your money. However, if I couldn't use spelling, punctuation and grammar correctly (at least most of the time), I would not be able to do my job properly. So yes, it really does matter to me (but, like I say, what and how you write is entirely up to you
).What about this. Say you go to the pub, you expect the guy behind the counter to know how to pull a pint yes? But then should all the punters be expected to share that knowledge too? Most people would say no.
Some will make a better job of it than others, same as some people will read through what they write before posting. Others just want to drink down the foamy mess of a pint and have a butchers around.
If your trade is the English langauge and still you make some mistakes (suggested above) is it unreasonable to assume somebody who isnt trading off the English langauge will have a much more lax attitude toward it.
I have, in short, no problem with your foamy mess of a pint - If that's how you want to drink (like your metaphor, by the way).
Anyway, can I now don my mod's hat and ask that we now talk, in however tangential a way, about the Citi Golf, please?? (Applies to everyone...)
KM666 said:
So if your a few years older than myself you'll have probably missed out on the restructuring of 'sets'.
The abolishment of abilty based groups and a push to get everybody at least 3 GCSE's (Some of the GCSE's were unfailable, ICT for example was a half hour exam with no coursework to hand in, if you turned up, you got a C).
You'll probably have missed out on the changing attitudes of school teachers who began to consider themselves more like college tutors. (i.e. taking the attitude that if you didnt turn up that was down to you - instead of before when they'd come into town or the park looking for you)
Not a great atmosphere for exam-time and for what was a fairly disruptive yeargroup as it was, giving off the impression that they dont care and we could do what we want would only lead to trouble.
You have GOT to be kidding me???The abolishment of abilty based groups and a push to get everybody at least 3 GCSE's (Some of the GCSE's were unfailable, ICT for example was a half hour exam with no coursework to hand in, if you turned up, you got a C).
You'll probably have missed out on the changing attitudes of school teachers who began to consider themselves more like college tutors. (i.e. taking the attitude that if you didnt turn up that was down to you - instead of before when they'd come into town or the park looking for you)
Not a great atmosphere for exam-time and for what was a fairly disruptive yeargroup as it was, giving off the impression that they dont care and we could do what we want would only lead to trouble.
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