The GT3 and RS avoidance thread!
Discussion
The gt3 or rs are hard core nothing,and effortless to drive great road cars.which is what porsche do best and are the experts in porsche build and marketing.
If you want to make a 997 a good track car,get the weight down firstly,correct dampers and springs for your chosen use,non abs,traditional throttle,non power steering,non traction control and stability and you then might just feel what is going on,or convert a cup car.
I keep thinking about the tuthill conversion tarmac rally car,its awesome,150 flat out,not much good for fuel economy though.
The 3.0 rs was a homoligated special,road car.From memory Iroc was not,but some got to be road registered,they were outside the fia.
If you want to make a 997 a good track car,get the weight down firstly,correct dampers and springs for your chosen use,non abs,traditional throttle,non power steering,non traction control and stability and you then might just feel what is going on,or convert a cup car.
I keep thinking about the tuthill conversion tarmac rally car,its awesome,150 flat out,not much good for fuel economy though.
The 3.0 rs was a homoligated special,road car.From memory Iroc was not,but some got to be road registered,they were outside the fia.
grale23 said:
erm……isn't this the Avoidance thread not the mutual appreciation one…. although I do agree with you all.
Yep, why not start another thread to discuss the benefits of the GT3 and RS.This was set-up so people could highlight cars with history, helping future buyers to make an informed decision.
Steve Rance said:
Good point! Back on topic. A question to the forum. Obviously, by the nature of the car many GT3's have had 'offs' both on and off circuit. I'd be interested to know at what degree of severity of accident/extent of repair a potential buyer of a car would be put off of a purchase?
For me bent panels (not roof), suspension arms, shocks are all ok as are all a simple bolt on replacement. Any chassis straightening with a jig or mounting points which have been buckled and I'd walk. If airbags have gone off the windscreen would have been replaced as the passenger airbag cover cracks the screen when it goes off, again no dramas as a simple remove replace job.
Steve Rance said:
So say a front PU or wing would be fine but a bulkhead or rear quarter would be a problem?
Rear quarter would be fine as these can be cut out and a new one inserted, it is more the chassis being twisted that would concern me. If a rear quarter panel is damaged in isolation and replaced it has no effect on other components. If the chassis is damaged then possibly the engine/subframe/suspension components... would be out of alignment. To straighten these high stress points induces forces they were not designed to take. I doubt very much a repair shop would apply correct heat treatment techniques, to remove the metallurgical stresses in the metal structure, the high fatigue stress induced into the mounting points would remain a weak point.
As many of you know I had a head on with a bus in July and my 997 GT3 was declared a total loss. As it has recently been sold by Copart i thought I should add it to this thread.
reg RF57 EBN
Beneath that damage it needed both chassis legs replacing, in fact it needed a whole new front of the car from the windscreen forward, both airbags deployed as well.
29000 miles on the clock.
So be careful if buying a red one.
reg RF57 EBN
Beneath that damage it needed both chassis legs replacing, in fact it needed a whole new front of the car from the windscreen forward, both airbags deployed as well.
29000 miles on the clock.
So be careful if buying a red one.
Steve Rance said:
Its beyond me. Very few cars have ever been built like the GT3 (996/7). Comparable cars would be cars like the 250GTO, DTypre, CType, F40, 288GTO, F40, Stratos, 993GT2, 911ST and the Mclaren F1. All were built as/from racing cars and it is more likely to see one modified ( especially if they have had a competition history) than to see one not. Almost all racing cars are modified so that they might take advantage for the regulations of whatever championship they are racing in at the time. That's motorsport. Cars evolve with technology and reg changes.
Yet Porsche bring a perfect blank canvass to the market, a true racing car for the road, and 'purists' decide that any modification have a devaluing effect. Unfortunately that say's more about the purist, and his or her utter misunderstanding of the car - what is is and represents - motorsport and its true position in motoring history than it does about the car itself. In my opinion, without doubt the best RS out there right now is Ade's car (god know's why that car sat around as long as it did - Beardy Man effect again) . Closely followed if not matched by a wonderful 997RS owned by a very nice and modest chap who posts by the name of Richie on this forum.
These cars really need to be appreciated by a different type of purist, one who truly understands the cars for what they are and their place in motoring history. Nothing will ever be made like them again. There are enough other Porsche models for the Beardy people to cosset as perfect originals. Let see the Guys and Girls who really understand appreciate and accept that often, modified GT3's can be much improved and can carry a higher value than a standard car.
I totally agree Steve....and as for Ades car (Tims PCGB Sprint car).......I had noticed this sitting around for sale for a long while and decided to buy it so I had a red one to go with my Blue one (sad I know) with the idea of putting it back to somewhere nearer it's road spec...but of course the day I call with cash in hand...they said believe it or not they'd Sold it that morning.....aghhhhhhh.....it had sat for sale for god knows how many months.....I know....you snooze you lose......I do parp on about this everytime Ade posts pictures Etc. about how brilliant / fantastic the 996 RS is........and he's 100% correct of course.....bugger.......Lovely car Ade.....you beat me to it by a few hours Doh!! Yet Porsche bring a perfect blank canvass to the market, a true racing car for the road, and 'purists' decide that any modification have a devaluing effect. Unfortunately that say's more about the purist, and his or her utter misunderstanding of the car - what is is and represents - motorsport and its true position in motoring history than it does about the car itself. In my opinion, without doubt the best RS out there right now is Ade's car (god know's why that car sat around as long as it did - Beardy Man effect again) . Closely followed if not matched by a wonderful 997RS owned by a very nice and modest chap who posts by the name of Richie on this forum.
These cars really need to be appreciated by a different type of purist, one who truly understands the cars for what they are and their place in motoring history. Nothing will ever be made like them again. There are enough other Porsche models for the Beardy people to cosset as perfect originals. Let see the Guys and Girls who really understand appreciate and accept that often, modified GT3's can be much improved and can carry a higher value than a standard car.
Edited by Steve Rance on Thursday 18th December 10:42
....well doneEdited by GT3-RS on Monday 12th October 10:24
g7jhp said:
991.1 GT3 - LL63 OMP
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I like the statement....."According to him, he was doing 50mph in a 60mph zone when the car suddenly lost traction and spun into an oncoming vehicle"......The impact caused the engine to be ripped out, and the car “was going to roll”, but was halted by a telephone pole.........Ok Ok...I believe you.......LOL- *As per comment below, this is a pre-crash pic***
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Edited by g7jhp on Friday 12th June 17:12
GT3-RS said:
I like the statement....."According to him, he was doing 50mph in a 60mph zone when the car suddenly lost traction and spun into an oncoming vehicle"......The impact caused the engine to be ripped out, and the car “was going to roll”, but was halted by a telephone pole.........Ok Ok...I believe you.......LOL
If I recall correctly, this was the first engine to explode and he lost it on his own oil?mollytherocker said:
If I recall correctly, this was the first engine to explode and he lost it on his own oil?
From memory, there was certainly a strong rumour that Porsche bought the car back from him so that he didn't have to lose out by claiming on his insurance as the accident was rumoured to be linked to a major engine issue.Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff